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    It's encouraging to report that the ongoing issues with AI club and national teams not bringing through enough young players seems to have improved on FM24. That said, there's still a bit of work to do, as others have reported.

    We also have a new issue with elite national teams calling up high-potential young players while they are playing second-tier football. These players aren't exactly tearing up the lower leagues either - most of their average ratings are in the 6.80-6.99 range.

    I am aware this is becoming more common nowadays - it's not that unusual to see Championship players playing for top national teams at a young age.

    But when you look at the England team, for example, this is still extremely rare. To my knowledge, only SIX players in the 21st century have played for England while playing in a lower division - David James, David Nugent, Jay Bothroyd, Jack Butland, Wilfried Zaha and Sam Johnstone. (It's worth noting that not all of them were debutants - James was an established PL goalkeeper who'd just been relegated with West Ham.)

    I've started a save with at least the top two divisions loaded in Belgium, England, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal and Spain and holidayed for 15 years, until 2038. I've then gone through a list of every player with at least one cap for England, France, Germany, Italy and Spain - and noted down every player who made their international debut while playing in a 2nd or 3rd division.

    NATION PLAYER DEBUT DATE AGE TEAM DIVISION
    England Kobbie Mainoo 21/03/2025 19 Middlesbrough Championship
    England Callum Doyle 04/09/2025 21 Leeds Championship
    England Ethan Nwaneri 09/10/2025 18 Bristol City Championship
    England Alfie Dorrington 03/06/2026 21 Derby League One
    England Myles Lewis-Skelly 26/09/2026 20 Southampton Championship
    England Ashley Phillips 03/10/2027 22 Sunderland Championship
    England Lei Maye 12/11/2027 19 Crystal Palace Championship
    England Nat Wallbank 23/09/2028 17 Middlesbrough Championship
    England Ross Bowman 16/11/2028 19 Derby Championship
    England Ant Farley 17/11/2029 19 Nottm Forest Championship
    England Marvin Miles 23/03/2030 21 Coventry Championship
    England Ryan Pardo-Roques 23/03/2030 21 Birmingham Championship
    England Alex Ralls 23/03/2030 21 Sunderland Championship
    England Louis Thorley 28/09/2030 19 Sunderland Championship
    England José Carlos Macabá 29/03/2031 22 Sunderland Championship
    England Ty Selley 28/09/2031 21 Ipswich Championship
    England Stuart Griffiths 05/06/2032 22 Middlesbrough Championship
    England Wilfred Ncube 11/11/2032 21 Sunderland Championship
    England Elsid Downey 07/10/2034 21 Sunderland Championship
    England Sully Rooks 17/11/2035 19 Watford Championship
    England Richardson Coutain 01/04/2036 20 Stoke Championship
    England Ady Hasanally 01/04/2036 19 Coventry Championship
    England Jack Hodgson 17/11/2036 20 Norwich Championship
    England Dean Pearson-Crocker 27/09/2037 21 Bournemouth Championship
    England Dave Beale 13/11/2037 21 Leeds Championship
    France Johnny Jehl 27/03/2032 21 Monza Serie B
    France Benjamin Chambon 16/11/2034 19 Norwich Championship
    France Alexandre Ferrer 07/06/2037 21 Bournemouth Championship
    Germany Aaron Zehnter 03/06/2026 21 Werder Bremen 2. Bundesliga
    Germany Bruno Numbisie 11/11/2027 20 Schalke 04 2. Bundesliga
    Germany Luis Allmaier 24/03/2029 21 SC Paderborn 2. Bundesliga
    Germany Louis Fofana 27/09/2031 20 Union Berlin 2. Bundesliga
    Germany Ben Horrill 27/03/2032 19 Norwich Championship
    Germany Emirhan Bektaş 24/03/2033 21 Sheff Utd Championship
    Germany Ante Prpić 23/09/2033 21 Coventry Championship
    Germany Denis Sherifi 26/09/2033 19 Luton Championship
    Germany Giovanni Grazioso 14/01/2034 22 Mainz 2. Bundesliga
    Germany Michael Bettendorf 29/03/2036 20 Fulham Championship
    Germany Danny Selke 27/03/2038 19 Hamburg 2. Bundesliga
    Italy Daniele Sarti 12/11/2027 19 Werder Bremen 2. Bundesliga
    Italy Pasquale Piga 28/09/2029 19 Coventry Championship
    Italy Bixente Van Inzerillen 27/03/2031 19 Coventry Championship
    Italy Alessandro Conversano 28/09/2032 20 Stoke Championship
    Italy Carlo Annovi 26/03/2033 19 Preston Championship
    Italy Filippo Amodio 07/06/2034 21 Hull Championship
    Italy Andrea Barone 28/09/2037 21 Bournemouth Championship
    Spain Álex Pérez 23/09/2028 22 Birmingham Championship
    Spain Gonzalo Alonso 28/09/2029 20 Ipswich Championship
    Spain Iñigo Ormaetxea 30/09/2030 22 Coventry Championship
    Spain Juan Diego Bueno Prieto 31/03/2031 18 Watford Championship
    Spain Samuel Codina 25/09/2033 19 Stoke Championship
    Spain Alberto Ayuso 10/06/2034 25 Mainz Championship

    In 15 years of this simulation, there have been 24 players who made their England debuts while playing in the Championship - and one (Alfie Dorrington) who debuted while he was playing in League One. There've also been 11 Germany debutants from the lower leagues. Things aren't so bad elsewhere, but it's still odd to see Italy calling up players from Hull or Preston, and Spain giving a debut to a 25-year-old goalkeeper in the German second division.

    To be clear, I am happy that these top national teams are giving more opportunities to youngsters. What I'm not happy with is that these players are often being called up when they have limited top-flight experience and/or are putting in above-average performances in the Championship. This would be like Gareth Southgate calling up Taylor Harwood-Bellis or Charlie Patino to his next England squad next month - they've got potential, sure, but they're not ready yet.

    I've already uploaded a save file from 2038, so you can have a look for yourself. I'll continue the simulation later in the week, and see if I can find some specific examples of second-tier prospects being called up to their national teams while other young(ish) players at a higher level are being ignored.

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