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    Hi,

    Can someone please explain how my team Stuttgart have finished below Chelsea. According to the rules the first deciding factor is results between teams. I played Chelsea once in all comps this year in my last league phase game at Chelsea and drew 1-1. The only other time I have played them was a couple seasons prior where I lost to them in the CL league phase so I thought, is this rule taking into account all previous matches in Champions League history? But there is no reason I should be behind Leverkusen, never played them in CL and much better head to head in the Bundesliga and have better goal difference???

    This has also happened to a friend of mine and between us we cannot work out why. Either we are not interpreting the rules correctly or this is an annoying glitch?

    Please help...

     

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    I think I have worked it out for those that are interested. 

    I suspect (and hope) that UEFA have given this some thought and will release a variation of the sorting rules upon rolling out the new Champions League format as the current regulations are simply not suitable for a 'League Phase' comprising of teams that may or not play each other.

    SI Games have no choice but to implement the current sorting rules as per Article 17 as any variations are not listed yet that I can see. The first sorting rule in the Champions League group stage (which seems to also apply to new format 'League Phase' on FM24) is of course head to head between teams on the same points and not goal difference and while this works seamlessly within a 4 team group structure, applying this to the the new format 'League Phase' is coming up with some rather unfair sorting!

    So looking at my final 'League Phase' standing in the image, there are 6 teams who finished on 15 points. Chelsea played 2 teams from those 6, Stuttgart and Leverkusen, picking up a win and a draw. Leverkusen played Chelsea and Inter winning one and losing one. Stuttgart drew one. Porto and Athletic may have won more games in the 'League Phase' overall but played none of teams within this group of 6, so 0 points and Inter at the bottom after a hammering by Leverkusen.

    Chelsea P2 W1 D1 - 4 points

    Leverkusen P2 W1 L1 - 3 points 

    Stuttgart P1 D1 - 1 point

    FC Porto P0 - 0 points 

    Atletico P0 - 0 points 

    Inter P1 - 0 points (negative goal difference)

    So as you can see sorting is currently being done between teams that have not played the same number of games; lets just hope that this is not how it will work in the actual real life competition and SI Games can just update the game once the varied rules are published.

     

    17.01

    If two or more teams are equal on points on completion of the group matches, the following criteria are applied in the order given to determine their rankings:

    1. higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question;

        

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    Hello, the league phase of new UEFA Champions League format should sort initially by Goal Difference so we need a save game file to investigate further.

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    Hi

    If I go to CL rules in game, head to head is listed as the first sorting to be applied. Was this changed from FM23 to Goal Difference as first sorting to be applied in FM24? If so it must be linked to porting a save from FM23 to FM24? I will try and send a save file at some point.

    Thanks 

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