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    Jamaicaman90
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    Description of issue

    Apologies, previously posted in the wrong section.

    Hello,

    The FAW Reserve League is missing for Welsh tiers 1-3. This means that when playing in the available leagues (tiers 1 and 2), player development is a strain due to a severe lack of available minutes. Having them available would be a massive, massive help to long term 'building a nation' saves in Wales.

    The league is practically invisible in real life in terms of coverage, but it is available to view in the Cymru Football app, which is official.

    However, they are all running, and the details of how they function can be found in the FAW handbook: https://handbook.faw.cymru/regulations/competition-regulations/faw-reserve-leagues/

    The competition rules can all be found above, but in particular I'd like to draw attention to the bit about how teams are formatted:

    14.1. The League will be organised into Divisions based on geographical location and subject to the number of entries received.  Each Division will compromise a maximum of sixteen-(16) member Clubs in each season, unless expressly directed by the FAW.  Each Club will be allocated to the more geographically appropriate Division, as determined by the Panel and approved by the FAW directors prior to the start of the relevant season.  The Board shall determine annually the date on which Matches shall commence. The Board shall fix the date in the following year on which the normal playing season of the League shall terminate.

    There are also a number of reserve cups, but I have no idea how they are organised other than what I can see in the app.

    I appreciate that getting this into the game would be a good chunk of work, but if the skeleton could be put in place (so perhaps the teams aren't pre-populated, but the game is able to start pulling teams in based on the geopgraphic and tier criteria at the start of a save), this will benefit Welsh saves this game and beyond as the experience becomes far more comprehensive. With Welsh domestic football being one ripe for a 'building a nation' save as the standard starts so lowly from a global perspective, in its current state of no reserves and limited youth development leagues it feels underutilised.

    Just to add, the FAW has been splitting this into seven divisions since the reserve structure came into place a few years ago.

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    According to the Cymru Football app (can't link unfortunately), the typical leagues are:

    • FAW Reserve League South West
    • FAW Reserve League South East
    • FAW Reserve League South Central
    • FAW Reserve League Central
    • FAW Reserve League North West
    • FAW Reserve League North East

    The two northern leagues are doing something a bit unusual this year in that rather than being NE and NW, they are North (tiers 1 & 2) and North (tier 3). This doesn't appear to be a standard thing though and I'd expect them to return to the usual format next year.

    Due to the number of eligible teams (i.e. tiers 1-3), the maximum total number of teams to be split between the leagues should be 108. The main focus of team distribution should be geographical, however the smallest I can see an individual league having been is 9.

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    • FAW Reserve League South West
      • Baglan Dragons
      • Port Talbot Town
      • Tefelin BGC
      • Briton Ferry
      • Ynysgerwyn
      • Ammanford
      • Cefn Cribwr
      • Goytre United
      • Mumbles Rangers
      • South Gower
      • Seven Sisters Onllwyn
      • Pontardawe Town
      • Morriston Town
    • FAW Reserve League South East
      • Risca United
      • Lliswerry
      • Cwmbran Celtic
      • Blaenavon Blues
      • Undy AFC
      • Caldicot Town
      • Abertillery Bluebirds
      • Abercarn United
      • Tredegar Town
      • Chepstow Town
      • Abergavenny Town
      • Goytre AFC
      • Treowen Stars
    • FAW Reserve League South Central
      • Cardiff Met Uni
      • AFC Llwydcoed
      • Llantwit Major
      • Cambrian and Clydach
      • Pontyclun FC
      • Cardiff Draconians
      • Trethomas Bluebirds
      • Penydarren BGC
      • Ynyshir Albions
      • Canton FC
    • FAW Reserve League Central
      • Bow Street
      • Llanidloes
      • Llanuwchllyn
      • Caersws
      • Penrhyncoch
      • Dolgellau AA
      • Llandrindod Wells
      • Builth Wells
      • Hay St Marys
    • FAW Reserve League North West
      • Nantlle Vale
      • Flint Mountain
      • St Asaph
      • Conwy Borough
      • CPD Pwllheli
      • Brickfield Rangers
      • Llay Welfare
      • CPD Rhos Aelwyd
      • Llanrwst United
      • Hawarden Rangers
      • Llangefni Town
      • Llangollen Town
      • Saltney Town
    • FAW Reserve League North East
      • Connay's Quay Nomads
      • Airbus UK
      • The New Saints
      • Llandudno
      • Chirk AAA
      • Denbigh Town
      • Ruthin Town
      • Gresford Athletic
      • Holywell Town
      • Mold Alexandra
      • Porthmadog
      • Buckey Town

    Here are the teams for the 23/24 FAW Reserves Leagues. Every year, each club in Tiers 1-3 should then be re-invited to take part, and then once all teams are confirmed they should be geographically split into the above six leagues, with no more than 18 and no fewer than 9 teams in each league.

    The depth this would add to playing in Wales would be huge particularly for long term saves, as at present there is a real problem with taking on a Welsh team where it is practically impossible to develop any players beyond the age of 19 if they are not ready for first team football. This is particularly problematic once you begin qualifying for Europe, as the reputation of your players compared to domestic rivals is too high and they will refuse to go out on loan anywhere - this solves the problem by allowing you to get minutes for your players in a reserve league like that found in pretty much every other playable nation in the game. Once the skeleton of the system is in place it will also be of enourmous benefit not just for this year's game but for all going forward.

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    Unfortunately due to the complexity of the issue and the sheer volume of testing that needs doing before we can release it into the full version, it may not be in FM right away. I can't be any more specific at this stage I'm afraid, but it's definitely on our radar.

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    On 07/11/2023 at 14:55, Kyle Brown said:

    Unfortunately due to the complexity of the issue and the sheer volume of testing that needs doing before we can release it into the full version, it may not be in FM right away. I can't be any more specific at this stage I'm afraid, but it's definitely on our radar.

    Thank you Kyle, appreciate the acknowledgement!

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