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    Issue + consequences

    Note that I think this is much more of an issue at top clubs and not at low-mid clubs where regens are good enough to get into the first team at 18 years old. I am aware that fixing this for FM 23 is unlikely but please consider for FM24.

    I'm 10 years into a save in FM23, and the issue of young players not developing is rampant. Most big teams aren't using enough regens in their starting 11s and the average age of their team is higher than it ought to be. I've seen so many regens with high potential stagnate at their respective clubs. I've seen regens that my scout puts at 5* potential get about very few games between the ages of 19-23 (most important time to get first team football), and they often don't even play in the reserves. The problem seems to be:

    • Managers don't rotate their players enough in general

    • They seem to be picking based on CA + Reputation and don't consider potential

    • The bigger teams who tend to have good regens seem to be greedy when offering their players out on loan - expecting large loan fees even though this approach COSTS them money in the long run when their players never achieve their potential.

    One side effect of this is that the top clubs seem to be financially worse off in general due to:

    1. Making less money from talented regen sales

    2. Having to spend more money on transfers due to a low supply of top players

    Example from my save: Liverpool regen Nat Wallbank was a prodigy age 18, with a very high potential ability. He is now 22. The picture below shows that between the ages of 18-22, he was just used as a substitute and played far too few games in this key phase of his career to reach his potential.

    How to reproduce

    • Run (or find) a save 10-15 years into a future, tracking over time the number of regens at big clubs who don't reach their potential AND get little first team football ages 18-22 (most important years)
    • Also track average First XI age over time (i'm aware that it may stabilise 15-20 years in once non-regens retire). 

    What I think can be done to fix

    • Make youngsters kick up more of a fuss ages 18-22 about not getting first XI football. If they stay on 'breakthrough prospect' this won't happen so maybe Agents need to be tweaked as well for contract demands.
    • Make AI Manager/DoFs more willing to loan out these players at lower fees since it benefits them in the long term. Either this or find another way to get these players out on Loan (maybe AI development list changes)
    • More squad rotation in general from AI managers (could have manager personalities come into play - i.e. klopp more likely to play youngsters than mourinho)
    • Similar to how players might use squad planner with an eye to the future (selling star striker for big money because regen striker is almost as good AND has more potential) - AI managers should do the same. There will be a small hit to the squad's CA but long-term this will often be the right decision for the club. 

    The other issue I've found is that AI managers at top teams are staying too long at their jobs. In my save, Pep, Klopp, Graham Potter are still at their respective clubs. The Potter one is weird considering that Chelsea tend to sack their managers for breakfast. This one should be easy to reproduce - but my suggestion would be to consider club/chairman culture whilst respecting that manager personality e.g. Guardiola has a tendancy to move clubs after a few years. I do consider this to be less of a priority however to the aforementioned issue.

    Please let me know if you want more details. Thank you for your work on the game.

     

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    26 minutes ago, Zachary Whyte said:

    Thank you for the detailed post and information. We appreciate the feedback.

    This is something we are currently looking into. :) 

     

    Thank you for the swift response



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