Player Attributes

I totally agree with these comments about Turkish League. 

I'm playing SI Games' CM/FM series for 24 years and this is the worst Turkish database I've ever seen. 

All Fenerbahçe players are above the league. Especially İrfan Can Kahveci, Altay Bayındır, Bright-Osayi Samuel, Miguel Crespo and Serdar Aziz. Crespo is looking like the league's best midfielder in recent years but there's a player like Lucas Torreira who was among Serie A's leading midfielders in 21/22 season. 

I've checked Turkish research team's tweets in Twitter tonight. Galatasaray researcher says "We're not allowed to update attributes of new transfers, because of that I couldn't edit Abdülkerim Bardakçı." but at the same time Fenerbahçe researcher says "I'll update Michy Batshuayi's attributes before the full release." 

Which one should we believe, dear SI Games? Fenerbahçe researcher says he can edit a new transfer but Galatasaray researcher says he's not allowed to do it. You need to involve this and show us which one is liar and giving fake information. 

Just like this issue, Fenerbahçe researcher says "I'll update few positional attributes and player attributes to make Fenerbahçe more consistent for non-human controlled games." He notes this way AI will make Fenerbahçe's squad rotation more realistic etc... But once again Galatasaray researcher says they're limited to edit attributes and he adds "Galatasaray's average CA was above the league average after Icardi, Mata, Mertens and Midtsjö transfers, so we had do lower CA's of the other players in the team." 

Why your two researchers talking about completely opposite things? One is editing "his" team like one of the best teams in Europe but other one is treating Galatasaray like 2nd division team. There are some hot prospects this year for Galatasaray but he says he did nothing about them. But all prospects of Fenerbahçe are above the league, even unnamed players are better than all Galatasaray U19 team. Fenerbahçe researcher doing unrealistic updates to his team, Galatasaray researcher is doing wrong things and gives all responsibility to SI Games. 

Also Mauro Icardi's tax-included wage should be 1.1M€ in the game(Galatasaray announced 750K€ without taxes) but it's 5.14M€. Also Dries Mertens should earn 4.1M€ with taxes(Galatasaray announced 2.9M€ without taxes) but he earns 6.6M€ in the game. They are all unrealistic. Only two players affect Galatasaray's wage budget for 6.5M€. 

You need to solve these serious scandal about Turkish researchers. I don't remember such a terrible update for Turkish teams since CM 99/00. 

Thanks for the comments guys.

Most, if not everything you gripe about is unfortunately inaccurate.  I'll skip the subjective stuff right off the bat since player attributes should not be viewed singularly.

Feel free to check out my threads on twitter about the Turkish Super League player analysis.

https://twitter.com/fmresearchtr/status/1583502420520280068

https://twitter.com/fmresearchtr/status/1583509367759831040

 

As for the other stuff.

Player wages are shown as gross in the game (as in the cost of the player to the club) rather than net (as in the amount of money the player receives).

So someone Earning 2 million Euro net is going to show as 2 x (1 - %40) = 3.33 million Euro

Regarding Icardi's wages.
He earns 6.75 million Euro net.
This is 6.75 million Euro / (1 - %40) = 11.25 million Euro gross
PSG pays 6 million of this, leaving Galatasaray with 5.25 million Euro

Mertens also receives a signing on fee of 1.1 million Euro on top of 2.9 million Euro.
So that is 4 million Euro net.
Which is 6.66 million Euro gross.

 

As experienced players of the game, you would notice that this is no different than how we have treated wages in the past.

6 hours ago, perpetua said:

Thanks for the comments guys.

Most, if not everything you gripe about is unfortunately inaccurate.  I'll skip the subjective stuff right off the bat since player attributes should not be viewed singularly.

Feel free to check out my threads on twitter about the Turkish Super League player analysis.

https://twitter.com/fmresearchtr/status/1583502420520280068

https://twitter.com/fmresearchtr/status/1583509367759831040

 

As for the other stuff.

Player wages are shown as gross in the game (as in the cost of the player to the club) rather than net (as in the amount of money the player receives).

So someone Earning 2 million Euro net is going to show as 2 x (1 - %40) = 3.33 million Euro

Regarding Icardi's wages.
He earns 6.75 million Euro net.
This is 6.75 million Euro / (1 - %40) = 11.25 million Euro gross
PSG pays 6 million of this, leaving Galatasaray with 5.25 million Euro

Mertens also receives a signing on fee of 1.1 million Euro on top of 2.9 million Euro.
So that is 4 million Euro net.
Which is 6.66 million Euro gross.

 

As experienced players of the game, you would notice that this is no different than how we have treated wages in the past.

Regarding Icardi, Galatasaray said that PSG pays 6 and they pay the remaining 0.75. Why isn't the tax calculated for how much PSG is paying? So it would be 10 million + 1.25 million.

11 saat önce, perpetua said:

Thanks for the comments guys.

Most, if not everything you gripe about is unfortunately inaccurate.  I'll skip the subjective stuff right off the bat since player attributes should not be viewed singularly.

Feel free to check out my threads on twitter about the Turkish Super League player analysis.

https://twitter.com/fmresearchtr/status/1583502420520280068

https://twitter.com/fmresearchtr/status/1583509367759831040

 

As for the other stuff.

Player wages are shown as gross in the game (as in the cost of the player to the club) rather than net (as in the amount of money the player receives).

So someone Earning 2 million Euro net is going to show as 2 x (1 - %40) = 3.33 million Euro

Regarding Icardi's wages.
He earns 6.75 million Euro net.
This is 6.75 million Euro / (1 - %40) = 11.25 million Euro gross
PSG pays 6 million of this, leaving Galatasaray with 5.25 million Euro

Mertens also receives a signing on fee of 1.1 million Euro on top of 2.9 million Euro.
So that is 4 million Euro net.
Which is 6.66 million Euro gross.

 

As experienced players of the game, you would notice that this is no different than how we have treated wages in the past.

@perpetua According to your answer, FM is calculating taxes totally wrong. When you choose "%10 wage" for a loanee, you don't pay all the taxes, you only pay taxes related to agreed %10 wage. 

Also, you said nothing about different words of your two researchers. I can edit wages for me and my friends via Editor 23 on 8th Nov, It's not a big issue for me but you have to give proper answers about why FB and GS researchers are talking about opposite rules about editing/updating players. 

Your Fenerbahçe researcher says "I'll update Batshuayi's finishing before the full release" but Galatasaray researcher says "I can't edit Abdülkerim Bardakçı's stats because he's a new signing." 

Which one is correct? Which one is wrong? How can FB researcher edit a new signing and how GS researcher can't? Both players were playing for Turkish teams last season and both are new signing for their clubs. Batshuayi is editable but Abdülkerim is not. 

These are the most important issues than wage problems. GS researcher says "Galatasaray's average CA was much higher than league average so I've downgraded or not updated some players" and FB researcher says "I'll update Fenerbahçe players' attributes and positional stat a bit higher to make Fenerbahçe's non-human squad rotating better to compete." Fenerbahçe's average CA is aldready above the league an researcher says "I'll update more." 

You need to answer these and create a proper solution to this kind of problems. In former editions, head research team was editing this kind of problems and created fair attributes for all teams in the league. But since the new head research team's appointment, every single researcher trying to make his team better than others and head research team doing absolutely NOTHING about it. 

If you're really fair to every team, we're looking forward to see your actions before the full release. 

With this thread title, I agree with Frank.

 

7 hours ago, Iboshow said:

Regarding Icardi, Galatasaray said that PSG pays 6 and they pay the remaining 0.75. Why isn't the tax calculated for how much PSG is paying? So it would be 10 million + 1.25 million.

Because that is not how the deal is structured.

3 hours ago, franchi said:

@perpetua According to your answer, FM is calculating taxes totally wrong. When you choose "%10 wage" for a loanee, you don't pay all the taxes, you only pay taxes related to agreed %10 wage. 

Also, you said nothing about different words of your two researchers. I can edit wages for me and my friends via Editor 23 on 8th Nov, It's not a big issue for me but you have to give proper answers about why FB and GS researchers are talking about opposite rules about editing/updating players. 

Your Fenerbahçe researcher says "I'll update Batshuayi's finishing before the full release" but Galatasaray researcher says "I can't edit Abdülkerim Bardakçı's stats because he's a new signing." 

Which one is correct? Which one is wrong? How can FB researcher edit a new signing and how GS researcher can't? Both players were playing for Turkish teams last season and both are new signing for their clubs. Batshuayi is editable but Abdülkerim is not. 

These are the most important issues than wage problems. GS researcher says "Galatasaray's average CA was much higher than league average so I've downgraded or not updated some players" and FB researcher says "I'll update Fenerbahçe players' attributes and positional stat a bit higher to make Fenerbahçe's non-human squad rotating better to compete." Fenerbahçe's average CA is aldready above the league an researcher says "I'll update more." 

You need to answer these and create a proper solution to this kind of problems. In former editions, head research team was editing this kind of problems and created fair attributes for all teams in the league. But since the new head research team's appointment, every single researcher trying to make his team better than others and head research team doing absolutely NOTHING about it. 

If you're really fair to every team, we're looking forward to see your actions before the full release. 

The loan system in FM is a very simplified version of what happens in reality.  Clubs typically make a contract with a loaned player and this can be structured in many different ways depending on tax advantages/disadvantages.  Especially for cross-border loans.

As of right now, none of the assistant researchers are able to make changes.  They can request changes from myself or one of my co-researchers.

Both of the researchers you complain about have been doing FM research for 10+ years.  I'm inclined to stand by their choices.

10 yıldır araştırmacımız dediğin adam ergenin teki. her neyse.

4 saat önce, perpetua said:

The loan system in FM is a very simplified version of what happens in reality.  Clubs typically make a contract with a loaned player and this can be structured in many different ways depending on tax advantages/disadvantages.  Especially for cross-border loans.

As of right now, none of the assistant researchers are able to make changes.  They can request changes from myself or one of my co-researchers.

Both of the researchers you complain about have been doing FM research for 10+ years.  I'm inclined to stand by their choices.

You're not answering my questoins once again. 

Why Cengiz and Sinan are talking opposite things about editing new transfers? Can you explain which one is right and which is wrong? 

I asked that situation two times and still I got no answers about it. 

You can send dm to me(@frtslck) from your fmresearchtr account on twitter. I need some proper answers about your strange Turkish researchers. 

Because you are not reporting a genuine issue.  Merely griping about subjective player attributes. 

If you care to read the pinned thread in the forum you'll see:

As much of the data is subjective we’d ask that you respect everyone’s opinion and accept that the final decision is that of our club researchers and our heads of research.    

They are both incorrect and they are both correct.  There is no hard and fast rule about editing newly arriving players but we typically avoid it unless it's necessary to ensure a that a player behaves or is used as close to reality as possible.  The typical approach here is to behave consevatively and give benefit of doubt to the previous researcher that they have done their rating accurately.