info0 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Due to the creator of tactics always been suspected to use cheats, therefore i would prefer using the results from others players to prove my tactics. Thank you for lobsman and andysafc's tests! It's probably due to the cfact that you have too many players underperforming, and you did not adjust/change/alter your tatics in time to adapt to that. On the other hand, the AI of FM often cheats in order to ehance the game's lasting appeal and difficulty (which is positive as it increases the game playability), the usual cheating manipulations by AI are U have a higher chance of underperforming and losing to weaker teams when u are in a winning streak or in a run of matches being undefeated. It's almost impossible to win all matches or not to lose any matches throughout the entire season. AI's crossing, long shots, shots on target has a much higher succesful/completion ratio than human players "The Flying Buffon" aka. the unbeatable GK as well as those irritating woodworks and bars AI forward's goalless streaks always end in matches against the human players' teams That is very true for all SI games to date. Even in CM this was bloody nightmare . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysafc Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Due to the creator of tactics always been suspected to use cheats, therefore i would prefer using the results from others players to prove my tactics. Thank you for lobsman and andysafc's tests! It's probably due to the cfact that you have too many players underperforming, and you did not adjust/change/alter your tatics in time to adapt to that. On the other hand, the AI of FM often cheats in order to ehance the game's lasting appeal and difficulty (which is positive as it increases the game playability), the usual cheating manipulations by AI are U have a higher chance of underperforming and losing to weaker teams when u are in a winning streak or in a run of matches being undefeated. It's almost impossible to win all matches or not to lose any matches throughout the entire season. AI's crossing, long shots, shots on target has a much higher succesful/completion ratio than human players "The Flying Buffon" aka. the unbeatable GK as well as those irritating woodworks and bars AI forward's goalless streaks always end in matches against the human players' teams Be careful what you are saying my friend. Whether you believe this is true or not some people take offence to comments like that and could close the thread! I know what you are saying though but don't really want to get into that sort of dicussion for the good of the thread. Here is an example of my second season problems... http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/747/guiar.jpg As you can see i can't do no wrong in any cup competition which version of the tactic i use. I've won the League Cup already, into the FA Cup Final and continuing in the Europa League. I feel i have a good understanding of how the tactic set works and when to change things to good effect. That can also be said about the League in Season One but second time around it just isn't effective. Just don't know why. Anyone else suffering from Second Season Syndrome with this tactic? I seem to suffer most against the lower teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 22, 2010 Author Share Posted March 22, 2010 To andysafc : That's many Chinese FMers's experiences,not only mine. and Info0 said,"That is very true for all SI games to date. Even in CM this was bloody nightmare " here. Because the AI will orientate your tactic when you are using only 1 tactic for a long time, so you can use "Zero" and "Sea "by turn. (eg. when you are using 1 tactic for a long time, the AI will somehow trash your tactic and beat you to it. So i make some tactics for you all to switch into.) And,you can try my "Samba Football"http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=196795 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysafc Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 To andysafc :That's many Chinese FMers's experiences,not only mine. and Info0 said,"That is very true for all SI games to date. Even in CM this was bloody nightmare " here. Because the AI will orientate your tactic when you are using only 1 tactic for a long time, so you can use "Zero" and "Sea "by turn. (eg. when you are using 1 tactic for a long time, the AI will somehow trash your tactic and beat you to it. So i make some tactics for you all to switch into.) And,you can try my "Samba Football"http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=196795 I do rotate between Sea/Zero, in the first season i found i could rotate just between 4-3-3 and 4-2-4 both Zero and Sea, but Second season that is not enough. I was hovering around the relegation zone so i started including 4-2-3-1 Sea/Zero and i recovered to mid table but still can't get any consistancy to push up the table. Yet which ever version i pick for the Cups it works wonders! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaoicy Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 actually did you check you back room advice about how your team react to higher rep team or lower rep team? i think heathxxx got say something about reputation in the game. maybe that is 1 of the problem your team is struggling for your season? People always seem to think along these lines, with every version of FM. That the AI "knows" what your tactic is and will purposely combat it, being something "built into" the game, or that the AI is even that clever, is some way wide of the mark.What actually happens is if you're team is consistently doing well, maintaining unbeaten runs, or performing above expectations, or even playing badly, playing below expectations, AI teams will play more defensively or more offensively based on your growing or declining reputation. Generally speaking, based on your reputation, opponents will either attack more if they're higher reputation, or defend more if they're lower reputation. Reputation is a very important factor in the game and your reputation will change continually based on results. This is what the AI is responding more to, than any innate and sudden ability to nullify your tactics. For my own part, often managing smaller clubs, I often over-achieve against bigger clubs, because my own offensive tactical preferences take advantage of teams who attack me from the off. Although they are higher reputation, I might be using my players attributes better than the AI, therefore I can afford to attack them more. Lower reputation teams, I tend to be more conservative against and try a more controlled approach to draw their defensive approach further up the pitch, because no matter how offensive you go, if your opponent sits ten men behind the ball, it's always difficult to break them down. this is the thread.. might give you some info. http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=195468&highlight=xiaoicy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Some great results there How do you approach using the different tactics within the set (i.e. which tactics do you use and when do you use them?)? Thanks Frozen I lead Real by 1 point with 31 played and still yet to play them atm. I found the best way to choose the correct tactic is to look at the match odds and weather prediction. If it is wet and windy go for the Sea tactics otherwise start with Zero but be prepared to switch. If the opposition is favourites then they are likely to come and attack you so I like the 4-3-3 deadly. However, if you feel that the other team may be favourites but your whole team is superior then line up with the 4-2-4. It has backfired a few times when I got a bit ambitious, but I have pasted Athletico Madrid (similar rep team) 3-0 with this away this season and 4-0 at home and then beat Barcelona the next game 4-1 at the Nou Camp though the scoreline is perhaps a bit flattering I did play considerably better than them. I also find that if something isn't working, give it about 25 mins (as sometimes it just happens that way and you come right back into it) and if it still isn't working then switch to full highlights and work out what the problem is. If you can't seem to get the ball forward into dangerous positions then switch to the Sea version of the same tactic. If your forward is isolated then switch to the 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-4. If they're getting a lot of joy on the wings then switch to a 4-3-3 as the full backs stay back on this one and defend (its more of a counter attack tactic). You get the odd game when you just can't score and hit the bar ten times or your strikers suddenly develop an attraction to smashing it into the crowd from 10 yards out but this happens regularly in the premier league to the top teams e.g. Chelsea vs Blackburn this weekend or w/e and it appears to have an equal chance of happening to the comp so I think it's fine and just focus on the next game. The other thing I find helps is if a star player isn't playing that well, either criticise him in the press or drop him for a few games - normally focuses his mind and they come back much better for it and my team has a funny way of finding goals from unexpected places. It really is quite a complete tactic set so well done ZeroSea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 24, 2010 Author Share Posted March 24, 2010 I lead Real by 1 point with 31 played and still yet to play them atm.I found the best way to choose the correct tactic is to look at the match odds and weather prediction. If it is wet and windy go for the Sea tactics otherwise start with Zero but be prepared to switch. If the opposition is favourites then they are likely to come and attack you so I like the 4-3-3 deadly. However, if you feel that the other team may be favourites but your whole team is superior then line up with the 4-2-4. It has backfired a few times when I got a bit ambitious, but I have pasted Athletico Madrid (similar rep team) 3-0 with this away this season and 4-0 at home and then beat Barcelona the next game 4-1 at the Nou Camp though the scoreline is perhaps a bit flattering I did play considerably better than them. I also find that if something isn't working, give it about 25 mins (as sometimes it just happens that way and you come right back into it) and if it still isn't working then switch to full highlights and work out what the problem is. If you can't seem to get the ball forward into dangerous positions then switch to the Sea version of the same tactic. If your forward is isolated then switch to the 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-4. If they're getting a lot of joy on the wings then switch to a 4-3-3 as the full backs stay back on this one and defend (its more of a counter attack tactic). You get the odd game when you just can't score and hit the bar ten times or your strikers suddenly develop an attraction to smashing it into the crowd from 10 yards out but this happens regularly in the premier league to the top teams e.g. Chelsea vs Blackburn this weekend or w/e and it appears to have an equal chance of happening to the comp so I think it's fine and just focus on the next game. The other thing I find helps is if a star player isn't playing that well, either criticise him in the press or drop him for a few games - normally focuses his mind and they come back much better for it and my team has a funny way of finding goals from unexpected places. It really is quite a complete tactic set so well done ZeroSea I have create tactic since FM930, and i believe i have a lot of experiences. I belive only one tactic is hardly be good for all condition, so I use 8 tactics:D You have many experiences too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysafc Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 This screen shows the highs and lows of this tactic... In the Euro Cup, amazing! Winning the final against Arsenal. Full credit to Zero Sea for this great tactic. Great results against Chelsea and Man Utd in the League but how can it perform so bad against other teams? I read what Heath had to say about lower rep teams and tried to change my approach instead of attacking but to no success. Hopefully 3rd season won't be as bad as i will only finish mid table unless my superb Euro success is taking into account. Thanks to Zero Sea though for the great suuceess that i have enjoyed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaoicy Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 well.. i will try to solve that problem with zero sea.. ^^ hope for a result soon.. cause i think alot of people out there are having the same problem... haha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 25, 2010 Author Share Posted March 25, 2010 I've Updated the new tactics V8! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
okeu Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 hey,whats different v6 and v7?is it much better in v7 or v6?im using 10.3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
okeu Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I've Updated the new tactics V8! when????is it already in OP? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 25, 2010 Author Share Posted March 25, 2010 when????is it already in OP? Zero Sea's Tactics V8.rar Date Added: 03-25-2010 So,you are lucky! V8 is more attacking! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
okeu Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 so zerosea, how we chose the right set and which condition we use it? 多谢大哥 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris6543210 Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 It won't let me download the latest version Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BinaryStar81 Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Something is wrong with the V8 download, I keep getting this error for the last hour or so: File is Unavailable. The file you are attempting to download is not currently available on our servers or is being processed. Please try your download in a few minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 25, 2010 Author Share Posted March 25, 2010 Something is wrong with the V8 download, I keep getting this error for the last hour or so:File is Unavailable. The file you are attempting to download is not currently available on our servers or is being processed. Please try your download in a few minutes. Thank you! I've Uploaded again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vando Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Zero I'm perfectly fine with the Samba version, already tested all its versions and the best in my opinion is the Samba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 Zero I'm perfectly fine with the Samba version, already tested all its versions and the best in my opinion is the Samba. "Samba version" is good at run pass players. V8 is as good as "Samba version"! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vando Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 "Samba version" is good at run pass players.V8 is as good as "Samba version"! I'll do some tests with the V8 because I use the Samba 424 and V8 will test the 424, I am using the man utd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ufoufo Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Why let left/right back cut-inside in V8? I'm so surprised Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysafc Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 actually did you check you back room advice about how your team react to higher rep team or lower rep team? i think heathxxx got say something about reputation in the game. maybe that is 1 of the problem your team is struggling for your season?this is the thread.. might give you some info. http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=195468&highlight=xiaoicy Whilst i understand everyone has their own opinion it is my own opinion that something is written into the program to cause 2nd season syndrome. During the 2nd season i really struggled to get anything going (EPL Only) yet in season 3 i'm using the exact same tact set as season one and two yet look how it's going... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 29, 2010 Author Share Posted March 29, 2010 I'll do some tests with the V8 because I use the Samba 424 and V8 will test the 424, I am using the man utd In your tests, V8 and Samba,witch is better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 29, 2010 Author Share Posted March 29, 2010 Why let left/right back cut-inside in V8?I'm so surprised Because heading and crossing are just rubbish in 10.3:thdn: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 29, 2010 Author Share Posted March 29, 2010 Whilst i understand everyone has their own opinion it is my own opinion that something is written into the program to cause 2nd season syndrome. During the 2nd season i really struggled to get anything going (EPL Only) yet in season 3 i'm using the exact same tact set as season one and two yet look how it's going... Good luck! And,I'm working for new version now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaoicy Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 actually your opinion is about the same as mine, but what heath said also make some sense, so i just let you know what are those possibility. ^^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 29, 2010 Author Share Posted March 29, 2010 Version Orz(Perfect) You can use Orz Def when leading by one goal after 45min-60min. *playmaker : AML or AMR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Star Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 I have being testing tactic with Red Star Belgrade it is doing so far good! keep doing good job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 Orz means that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericsrule Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Orz means that/QUOTE] lol:D:D:D:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
info0 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Hahahaha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebstar Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 uses this tactic the "corner-bug" ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
info0 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Nope it doesn't. At least the ones he posts here don't use corner bugs . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebstar Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 hmm ok... cause the right central defender scores every match... isaac vorsah scored ~13 goals / season.. 99% after corners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 hmm ok... cause the right central defender scores every match... isaac vorsah scored ~13 goals / season.. 99% after corners Because your DC are very strong. If you use corner bug, your one player will score 40--80 goals / season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 I have being testing tactic with Red Star Belgrade it is doing so far good!keep doing good job. Thanks Would you upload any screen? Update: Don't set long shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2vA Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 rofl @ the "orz means this"-picture testing this tactic atm, feedback tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebstar Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 hm i used zero and i used sea.. zero = attack as setting in ingame screen.. .sea = defense in ingame screen ? is that correct ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 hm i used zero and i used sea.. zero = attack as setting in ingame screen.. .sea = defense in ingame screen ? is that correct ? You're also right And, 1."Sea" are good tactics when the weather condition are raining.(long passing) 2.Fool the AI (Because the AI will orientate your tactic when you are using only 1 tactic for a long time) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebstar Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 hmm but it seems, that "zero" has more effect.. good games with zero.. bad games with sea.. :-/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 hmm but it seems, that "zero" has more effect.. good games with zero.. bad games with sea.. :-/ You can see the old poll (Patch 10.2) Zero 433 131 42.81% (Many people want to see the poll result ,so it's not really true) Zero 4231 45 14.71% Zero 424 37 12.09% Sea 433 39 12.75% Sea 4231 35 11.44% Sea 424 48 15.69% Zero and Sea are just a little different Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revel Moon Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 英文不好,playGM的网友来支持,不知中文行不? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Star Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 ThanksWould you upload any screen? Update: Don't set long shots. I do have one notice the teamtalk in mine opinion it dusnt work like it suppose to the ( i have faith in you ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaoicy Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 英文不好,playGM的网友来支持,不知中文行不? can. no problem. as long as you can give some feed back on the tactics will do. ^^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaoicy Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I do have one notice the teamtalk in mine opinion it dusnt work like it suppose to the ( i have faith in you ). hmm... for me, cause im the one who test on his teamtalk, i do have good result. in the 1st season, my players usually have at least 2-3 boost in the teamtalk and at least 1-2 players got the "super boost" during 2nd half teamtalk. but when i go into the 2nd season, the result drop by abit. not sure is it due to 10.3 patch, they now usually only have 1-2 boost in 1st half, and only 2-3 boost in 2nd half. "Super boost" only come out sometime, but at least it is still working. so the main thing now is, maybe you can check on your team personality? whether they are ambitious, determine, or other personality? that maybe helps abit for us to solve your problem. thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Besiktas_Turkey Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 İs it working with 10.3 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 Update Orz V2 don't set long shots http://www.filefront.com/15985533/Orz%20TacticsV2.rar or http://www.zshare.net/download/7443441662f64242/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbab Bay Tuna Team Talk Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 howma Zero Sea any advice using sea/zero L and R also sea/zero.Still using 1st tactic ORZ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 İs it working with 10.3 ? It's working for 10.1 10.2 and 10.3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Sea Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 howma Zero Seaany advice using sea/zero L and R also sea/zero.Still using 1st tactic ORZ V2 only change "wasting time" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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