SirCliveWolfe Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 A long time ago in a game far, far away (but quite similar) called CM01/02, there were tactical geniuses some of whom went by name names like "Paul Buxton" and "the Welsh Wizard of Web"... and in this amazing SI game there was a super tactic created by the latter called WWWII ard Tackling, andit was one of, if no the bst formation in the game. And its the formations 10th Anniversary This was back in my golden age with terms like "wibble/wobble", "DDL", and To Maderia was by far the best striker on the planet (well maybe Tisgalko was good too?)... Anyway enough of my rose-tinted trip down memory lane... The reason I have come up with the rejuvenation of this tactic is that I started a new game with 'The Posh' in League 1 and did a bit of inestigation into how Premership teams played formation wise and found that the AI uses variations of three main tactis 442 34% (442, 4411, 442DM) 451 33% (451DM, 451, 4141) and 4231 23% (4231 and 4231 with wingers). So I decided to create 2 tactics to counter these, the first was a 3412 (Napoli IRL) to play against the 442s and another to pack the midfield against the 451/4231 variants. As I moved players about I suddenly came accross something familiar, WWWII!. The formation sets up as 2CB, 2WB, 1DM, 3CM, 1AMC, 1ST and looks like this; This formaion made sense in the narrow days of 01/02... and again it does today in the vs the packed 5 man midfields of he 2010's, basically you 'cheat' to get 7 into midfield with WBs as "carilleros" and a striker droped back into midfiled. Anyway I have tried this out with the Posh and, although I have a good League 1 squad, I have managed to beat Wolves 2-0 (friendly), Wigam 3-1(friendly), Chelsea 1-0(friendly) and Birmingham 2-1 (league cup) with the only slip up being a 4-1 loss to Blackburn by my reserves/kids. I think This shows that the 'WWWII' tactic can work (I know friendlies ). So carrying on from the "Can the 442 still work" and "3421 tactical challange" threds, i am wondering if anyoine would ike to try out this formation? The only rule is that it must look like i does above... in the next post dow I will explain how I have set up the tactic which I hope is a faithful copy of the orignial, but you can play it any way you want Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroshot Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 upload it mate i`ll try iit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFraser Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 If your Centrebacks are good you can stick most of those players upfront. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Wasn't that formation known as "the Bolt"? Sadly, most of the good old systems like "the Bolt" don't seem to be as useful now due to the game being able to cope much better with an overload of central players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
causeforconcern Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I'm going to use a formation very similar to this in France with the intention of emulating Dalglish's Liverpool. West Ham aside I think there is actually a lot of scope for this shape to work. Once you have a focal point like Carroll on the pitch I think it's going to be extremely effective. Hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Weird. I vaguely remember WWW (wasn't it Welsh Web Wizard?) from the old CM forum days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwfan Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I remember him well. I quote from one of his posts, 'Was that from wwfan? Anything wwfan says about tactics, I deem worthless'. Never quite forgotten that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I remember him well. I quote from one of his posts, 'Was that from wwfan? Anything wwfan says about tactics, I deem worthless'. Never quite forgotten that. I think I remember that, was kinda harsh of him He's still on the forums but under a different name now. Won't tell you who he is though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I remember him well. I quote from one of his posts, 'Was that from wwfan? Anything wwfan says about tactics, I deem worthless'. Never quite forgotten that. Harsh! I don't remember that. I just vaguely remember the name from the old days of CM as a very active member on the tactics forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
homerjnick Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 The WWW formation and the SW formation in CM01/02 are legendary ONLY because they take advantage of ME flaws and NOT because thay are great tactics..diablo was anothe for CM4....recreating them is daft and they won't work. The SW formation consited of 2 defenders, 3 DMC's, 3 MC's, 1 AMC and 1 ST with NO width at all but it destroyed teams in CM01/02 because of flaws... FM11 is much better because there are now simply no super tactics...stick to doing realistic ones!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thezogsageordie Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 This was back in my golden age with terms like "wibble/wobble", "DDL", and To Maderia was by far the best striker on the planet (well maybe Tisgalko was good too?)... All I wanted to say is it's spelt To Madeira and Maxim's surname is spelt Tsigalko. That is all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 The WWW formation and the SW formation in CM01/02 are legendary ONLY because they take advantage of ME flaws and NOT because thay are great tactics..diablo was anothe for CM4....recreating them is daft and they won't work.The SW formation consited of 2 defenders, 3 DMC's, 3 MC's, 1 AMC and 1 ST with NO width at all but it destroyed teams in CM01/02 because of flaws... FM11 is much better because there are now simply no super tactics...stick to doing realistic ones!!! Pretty much agree with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirCliveWolfe Posted March 3, 2011 Author Share Posted March 3, 2011 Sorry about the late reply, got a bit sidetracked by work If your Centrebacks are good you can stick most of those players upfront. That may be true with the league I'm in, but not with the Psoh agast prem teams The WWW formation and the SW formation in CM01/02 are legendary ONLY because they take advantage of ME flaws and NOT because thay are great tactics..diablo was anothe for CM4.... Oh yes I realise that... however; recreating them is daft and they won't work....snip... FM11 is much better because there are now simply no super tactics...stick to doing realistic ones!!! While I agree with what you are saying about the SW formation, I don't think that this is the case with WWWII. It actually works very well, you wing-backs add attacking width (unlike CM) with your MCR & MCL making darting runs into the box, while your AMC & MC act as playmakers (Trequista & Deep-Lying) with your ST being a poacher. Your basically overloading the opposition defence with 5 attackers, 2 playmakers needing marking. While in defence your 2 CBs & 2 WBs leaves you a man over against a 3 man attack (1ST & 2AMs) with an anchour man and 4 other midfeilders packing the centre of the pitch. If your opponent is playing with attacking fullbacks then your MCR & MCL are wide enough (because they hae a MC in the middle) to try and counter the FBs while still leaving 3 midfeildes to to take on their midfield. So it can work in both FM11 and maybe IRL. In FM11 I am having lots of success with this against teams two leagues above me with players who are worse. Also I am not claiming that this is a super-tactic, as you rightly say there is no longer such a thing... in fact while I made it to the League Cup final, I lost out to Liverpool who were playing 2 up front and Torres's pace ripped my high defensive line apart. In conclusion I think that paired with a tactic with 5/3 at the back it becomes a rather good tactic. thoughts? I'm going to use a formation very similar to this in France with the intention of emulating Dalglish's Liverpool. West Ham aside I think there is actually a lot of scope for this shape to work. Once you have a focal point like Carroll on the pitch I think it's going to be extremely effective. Hopefully. That was my thinking as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirCliveWolfe Posted March 3, 2011 Author Share Posted March 3, 2011 Weird. I vaguely remember WWW (wasn't it Welsh Web Wizard?) from the old CM forum days. Yup... those were the days for old farts like me I remember him well. I quote from one of his posts, 'Was that from wwfan? Anything wwfan says about tactics, I deem worthless'. Never quite forgotten that. I remember that two, can't remember what it was about tho I think I remember that, was kinda harsh of him He's still on the forums but under a different name now. Won't tell you who he is though Thought he may still be around, do you know if PB is? His PB8 was a favorite of mine too All I wanted to say is it's spelt To Madeira and Maxim's surname is spelt Tsigalko. That is all. I know I really can't spell can I, still they were fantastic players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroshot Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 can u upload it please mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guv'nor Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Unless there was a glitch in the Matrix and the one pill swallowed, i'm adamant the artist formerly known as Welsh Web Wizard became Cleon at the crossroads? There are too mamny consistencies in their writing and insights to suggest mere coincidence. But never you mind, Cleon your secret is safe with me. Either that or 'Nurse, i need my medication'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
this_game_is_unrealistic Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 The only AMC suitable for this tactic is Nikiforenko. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangelito Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Can you elaborate a bit on the player roles and general team tactics that you have been using for this? It's quite an interesting tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Unless there was a glitch in the Matrix and the one pill swallowed' date=' i'm adamant the artist formerly known as Welsh Web Wizard became Cleon at the crossroads? [/quote']Really? :confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaycar Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Nah, don't buy that...as far as I recall, cleon is from yorkshire, hence the blades support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 That's what I thought too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Nah I'm not him, if people search far enough back they'll see we used to talk a lot and post at the same time and give very contrasting advice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxton Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I never did see you two in the same thread come to think of it Good luck with this by the way. I'd love to try and re-create some tactics from those days like PB3 or the 442 DDL I made but the former would get smashed to bits and the latter is impossible without good old wibble/wobble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactic Master Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 It just hasn't worked for me unfortunately, my assistant keeps telling me theres too much of a gap and 1 AMC doesnt work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactic Master Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 It just hasn't worked for me unfortunately, my assistant keeps telling me theres too much of a gap and 1 AMC doesnt work. Although, i do need to add to this so that i'm not totally negative... I can see why a team in the lower leagues or a team like blackpool would be better using this, because it has much more effect against a top team for worst players than the usual. But for a top team, this definately isn't the way forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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