2 tactics to conquer your league and CL on 8.0.2 (4-4-2 and Counter)

[Octopus]

telV7

I think you may have left it too late to switch to the 4-4-2.

If I am not winning our dominating possession by half time I tend to switch to the 4-4-2. This way you can come out for the second half and give it a good go. Leaving it until the 75th min doesn't give you a good chance of getting a lead and holding it.

As a quick update I had Reading and I got to 10th and won a cup then took over At Madrid who were in the relegation zone. I saved them from relegation and then one the league the next season. I think it is all about what you expect from a tactic. The Reading figures do not look superb but that same team got relegated the season after I left which I think proves the tactic had them performing above their ability.

[The Lambs]

Octpus, you make a good point about "what do you want from a tactic".

I am still running two managers with this tactic in the same save.

My main manager at Aston Villa has now only lost 3 games in the league in the last 4 seasons. The team is awesome and regularly wins every piece of silver ware out there. but when I took over at villa they were in the relegation zone with a pretty mediocre team. It took me a full season of rebuilding before I could challenge for the title and another season before i could win it comfortably.

My second manager at Bristol City is looking likely to get promoted from the championship after 4 years losing in the play off. That team is pretty average for a Championship side, my transfer budget sucks.

With a tactic like this, I would not expect to take over a mediocre team and suddenly win every game, if I did so, then there is obviously a flaw in the game. What you get from these tactics are a good base to build on. Play them long enough and you will find you only need to use one of the tactics and just adapt the tempo and mentality to win most games.

Still using this tactic after several seasons and still enjoying my self with it.

[telV7]

Thanks Ocotpus,

When I switched to the 4-4-2, I figured I had nothing to lose and would give it go. As I am underdogs and heavily favoured to lose due to poor form I am unsure as to any success using 4-4-2 at any stage of the game.

I also agree with what The Lambs has to say. I do not expect win win every match in the League I am in. I would however, like to win enough matches in the remaining season to not get relegated and then sacked, 16th, 17th , and I would be happy. Also like, The Lambs, my transfer budget isn't good, the Chairman took the 100k I had left at the start of the 2nd season( why?). I did just sell a player or two so I think I now have about 20k

But the frustrating part of it all is that I do not understand why the team is not performing (not reffering to polat_ dgn tactics). As, such I do not know where to begin in order to change things( hence using this tactic)

I thought I had gotten a few good players, a couple that are older now I use on rotation. I have started changing the team talks according to the guide by Wolfsong which also may help. My training is what bothers me a lot I am using the schedule by Tug. Am trying a couple of things with that as I feel it is probably a part of the poor form.

Any comments on my players etc I would welcome, cheers, and thanks

tel

[The Lambs]

telV7

Morale is crucial in turning around a poor season.

when i joined Aston Villa, they were in 19th place in the league, 3 points off safety with only 8 games to go if I remember correctly.

I won 4 of those games and drew another 2 to ensure I survived.

I did this by using the player interaction to turn each players moral around.

I have posted the formula I use in this thread on page 6, about the 6th post from the top. Give that a whirl to see if you can get their moral up. The results should follow.

Also, try not to change or rotate your GK and DC's too much for a while. I find that keeping the same central defence tends to get me clean sheets, I often concede when i change one of them. I guess the game takes account of how well they have gelled.

Be very careful of using the next opponent media interaction before any match. As a rule do not comment, you nearly always upset one of your players or inspire one of the opponents when you do so. Until you learn who it works for, i never use it. ironically, it only affects your first 11 players, so if you know one player reacts badly to media comments, you can move him out of the team until the comment takes effect and then move him back in afterwards.

Finally, you should nearly always use the 4-1-4-1 formation in your position, you can actually make it more attacking by increasing the mentality, tempo, width, closing down and reducing the time wasting by a few notches. i would be tempted to do this for a while, it obviously takes several matches for your team to get comfortable with a formation, switching between 2 in this period can cause more problems than it solves.

[TaylorLFC]

It's working well enough, but I am having some major problems.

In 6 out of 7 games I have played so far this season I have led 1-0 only to end up drawing 1-1. I also used the tactic against Uruguay in the WCQ and I ended up drawing 3-3 after being 3-0 up.

Promising tactic though. Just need to figure out a way to stop blowing the lead.

[kennec]

taylor :

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1519717/m/1172031963/p/1

use wolfsongs guide it works perfect. if u are a big team use alot of u can win this or wish luck against other medium/big teams or for the fans.

for small teams use a combo of wish luck/pressure is off.

in halftime use encourage if u are up one goal and if its a draw u can win this. if u are under in halftime use i want to see more of u.

[kennec]

i will post my results with this tactic. i have been running the counter one for about 2 weaks IRL time and played about 8 sesons whereof 7 with cesena.

some results with the tactic

http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=torinogamede2.jpg

http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=valenciagameay1.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sampdoriahb7.jpg

a milan game a was so happy i screemed and jumped around so my family thought i had won alot of money on lottery

http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=milan1hl2.jpg

http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=milan2eb2.jpg

http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=milan3nc2.jpg

my team

http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cesenasquadqw7.jpg

http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cesenasquad2hk7.jpg

my results so far

http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=historyci3.jpg

my manager stats

http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=historymanagerro5.jpg

i have made 4 versions of the 4-1-4-1

my tactics are perfected with perfect setups on corners in defence and attacking, same with set peices. also my wingers are offensive with perzonilzed tactics

corner defence for example.

http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cornerdefencero4.jpg

1 counter towering striker

2 coutner fast striker

3 counter offensive towering striker

4 counter offensive fast striker

tactic 1

lower creative freadom and less ttb and less offesnive striker with hold the ball

tactic 2

more freedom on wingers and very offesnive speedball as striker

tactic 3

forward arrows on FB and DMC also higher defensive line,tempo, increased width and decreased time wasting. every player got higher mentality, trying to play on wingers to cross the ball to strikers head

4 as nr 3 but with more focus play through middle and fill up with midfielders in box.

tactic 1 and 2 are used against strong teams like juve,milan,inter,lazio,roma.palermo. if they got strong jumping backs i use fast striker strategy.

tactic 3-4 are used agaisnt weaker teams and if i am under against stronger teams near end of games and need a goal.

something i have found that works great wich i can realy recomend is:

when playing against a team with slow or medium defenders i put in an fast striker when its 15-20 min left of the game. he scores alot of goals running between the slow and tired defenders

[The Lambs]

Originally posted by TaylorLFC:

It's working well enough, but I am having some major problems.

In 6 out of 7 games I have played so far this season I have led 1-0 only to end up drawing 1-1. I also used the tactic against Uruguay in the WCQ and I ended up drawing 3-3 after being 3-0 up.

Promising tactic though. Just need to figure out a way to stop blowing the lead.

If they are playing better in the second half and coming back at you, then it is either team talks (as pointed out by kennec) or them adjusting to your tactics. I nearly always tweak my tactics slightly in the second half at around the 60 minute mark. This is based on how the other team is playing.

[telV7]

Originally posted by The Lambs:

Morale is crucial in turning around a poor season.

Thanks for the tips The Lambs, I have found them very helpful. I have started following your advice regarding morale. As you mentioned you need to pay attention to the responses to ensure you are giving the correct comments.

For example, one player who is very good, over the 3 matches was 21, so I said pleased, he commented that he was happy enough and eagerly anticipating every match. However when I looked at his morale it was poor, I then looked at his PR thingy(that little box next to his name) and it said he was disappointed by the meagre praise. So from that would assume to bump him to delighted. Also I mad a mistake with another player and gave pleased where it should have been an acceptable and whilst the media response was ok, his morale went down cause he felt it was undeserved. I have found exactly what you described though, that players moral do improve.

I have also switched my run on strikers and given Luciano the run on and sub him at half time with Bruns. Bruns is a far better striker, but Luciano is desperately wanting to improve. So I figure give him the number one slot for the first half and if he is keen he will score. I then sub him at half and give Bruns a pep talk and he goes out all guns blazing, having mixed results.

I am still running the counter tac, and I think performances are getting a little more consistant. Hopefully below is a pic of the results since running the counter tactic. The losses and the draws have meant that I was in 21 position, right up until the last game, beating Hudders, put me in 20th. Good performances for the remainder should keep me out of relegation which would be awesome. I have just gotten Wolves as a parent club and looking for a couple of feeders, so fingers crossed another season as manager and the chance to develop the team further. I am in dire need of some top defenders though.

cheers and many thanks. . . tel

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[telV7]

sorry about that I never know which one of those to choose . . . .

[enterprise]

Just won 2 consecutive League Titles with Newcastle using Kimz tactics. Will give these a whirl to compare. Certainly looks promising!

[The Lambs]

Originally posted by enterprise:

Just won 2 consecutive League Titles with Newcastle using Kimz tactics. Will give these a whirl to compare. Certainly looks promising!

Kimz tactic is good, but I think it is agreed by many that it exploits weaknesses in the games match engine. You'll probably have to try harder to win with these tactics, but they don't exploit any known issues apart from the challenge keeper exploit.

Be interested to see what you think of this.

[The Lambs]

telV7

Top defenders are pretty important on this version, with out them you will struggle.

I also like my defenders to be fast, which makes a good one even rarer.

Have you played around with the tempo, mentality ect when you are drawing a game? I often go all out attacking in the last 10 minutes if I am a goal behind or drawing. Just remember to increase your closing down if you do this, other wise your opponent just knocks the ball around in space and runs the clock down.

[polat_dgn]

Originally posted by The Lambs:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by enterprise:

Just won 2 consecutive League Titles with Newcastle using Kimz tactics. Will give these a whirl to compare. Certainly looks promising!

Kimz tactic is good, but I think it is agreed by many that it exploits weaknesses in the games match engine. You'll probably have to try harder to win with these tactics, but they don't exploit any known issues apart from the challenge keeper exploit.

Be interested to see what you think of this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Counter formation also exploits "Hammer Chelsea" exploit but didnt know about this at the time i made the tactics since i have never played in Premier League and never come up against Chelsea in European Cups at those times..

[Guest Luke_4]

For the counter tactic, should I leave the player instructions as they are, or have you left them for us to deal with?

[The Lambs]

Originally posted by polat_dgn:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The Lambs:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by enterprise:

Just won 2 consecutive League Titles with Newcastle using Kimz tactics. Will give these a whirl to compare. Certainly looks promising!

Kimz tactic is good, but I think it is agreed by many that it exploits weaknesses in the games match engine. You'll probably have to try harder to win with these tactics, but they don't exploit any known issues apart from the challenge keeper exploit.

Be interested to see what you think of this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Counter formation also exploits "Hammer Chelsea" exploit but didnt know about this at the time i made the tactics since i have never played in Premier League and never come up against Chelsea in European Cups at those times.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wish I had known that in the earlier seasons :-) I have been playing 4-4-2 against them for some time. They are a faded force in my save, Arsenal are my biggest threat. Liverpool are looking good for relegation this season.

[VandaL]

Hmm, could I play fabregas as the defensive midfielder, or should I play him as the attacking one?

[The Lambs]

Hmm, could I play fabregas as the defensive midfielder, or should I play him as the attacking one?

On the 4-4-2 i use fabregras in the left hand position (which is the more defensive one).

He can fill in as the DM in the 4-1-4-1 but he will get a lot of 6 ratings, but most DMs get poor ratings in that position.

[daz343]

heres the table of my league season with man city thanks to using the counter and attack formations unbeaten thatnks very much for sharing such a superb tactic

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2091/85844293nj0.jpg

[telV7]

ATT :The Lambs

I do apologise as I have been meaning to get back to you with regards to a couple of things......

Firstly yes I have tried just changing the tempo etc on the counter tac and it has worked ok here and there, it does kind of put the opposition on the hop, so I have used it quite often

Secondly I thank you for your advice on morale I ended up finishing 16th for the season, had a good end run with some great results.

I have managed to nab a couple of good defenders on a free, and am enjoying a good preseason and early season..

I am still running the tactics and enjoy the football it produces.

I changed to Seasoned Alcaholics guide to training, kind of complicated, but I really like the ideas behind it,

Finally I have really slowed down my game play and pay much more attention to what is happening, that and reading the froums is helping me to learn a lot more

cheers and thanks

tel

[Diego_Werderdona]

haha.. I took over Portimonense who were dead last in the portugese second division in december, had some below average results, then switched to this tactic and had some very close losses to better teams. Board fired me far too soon though haha. I'll see where I next get a job and try to put it to use there!

[telV7]

Just a query in regard to the counter tac, on the first page polat instructs to put your most creative CM in the right slot as the creativity for this position is set higher.

Now this might seem a stupid question, but I have never used this section before . . . .

As the right CM is the most creative, should I select him to be the target man ( drag and drop player onto the list )?

[Pea Tear Griffin]

I'm sorry, but I did exactly as the tactics told me too, yet there's no sign of any "arsenal style football" from my rushden and diamonds team. If anything results have got worse.

[telV7]

I'm sorry, but I did exactly as the tactics told me too, yet there's no sign of any "arsenal style football" from my rushden and diamonds team. If anything results have got worse.

Hey PTG,

I am sure others with more knowledge could give you better answers. All I can do is say what I have done and it has worked quite well for me. I am not blitzing eveyone but the team is playing better FB

In the screenshot (sorry don't know how to post larger size) is the run home for my last season, I think from memory it was against Southend, or possibly Plymouth, a couple of games before, that I started using the tactic. The results may not appear astounding but for a team that was sitting in 22nd for over half the season to come back and finish strong in 16th I think is pretty good

The Tactic, 4-4-2 & Counter

I do believe it takes a few games for the team to adjust ( at least 7 - 10 )

Personally I would run the counter tactic and get that working and then start using the 4-4-2

The odds thing, does work , however I do risk it, if at home and only slight favourites, will play 4-4-2 at least for the first half.

OI instructions, whether I am right or wrong I do not know, but irrespective of tactic, 4-4-2/counter I do this

Gk : nothing

DL, DC, DC, DR: Hard tackling

ML, MC, MC, MR: Close down Always, Hard Tackling, Show onto weaker foot

FC, FC, : Tight Marking Always, Close Down Always, Hard Tackling, Show onto Weaker Foot

If the dangerman for the opposition plays Midfield will apply the same as FC

Also depending on the opposition lineup,

Attacking Mids, and Defensive Mids, same OI as FC

Wingbacks( as they tend to be quick little buggers) Hard tackling and tightmarking

I am not sure but due to the heavy OI instructions I have when using 4-4-2, it could be hampering the attack, any opinions I will listen

Also team talks and Morale, as I mentioned on your other thread, The_ Lambs table for improving morale. . . stellar, works an absolute treat. A good/great tactic will only get you so far and if your team are not happy the chances of you doing well will be extremely diminished

Sorry but there really no way of saying that doesn't make me sound like a smart**** , but only Arsenal probably play Arsenal style football, and as a lot of people tend to play PRM teams I'd say that where the comment is attributed to.

Rushden being a BSP Team, will probably never play like that, having said that, it does not mean your team cannot perform extremely well get promoted win silverware etc. On another thread I did read the Lower League Teams need to play at a slower tempo, this being that these teams have a much different set of attributes/standard to those playing CH, PRM etc. Which is why for myself the counter tactic has been very successful, and I would recommend you pursue it further. Also for teams in the Lower Leagues, as The Lambs mentions above Defenders are extremely important, also quick ones. My current squad is 18 players, of those 18, 9 are defenders.

Having only played Cheltenham in L1, I do not know how it is for yourself in BSP to get good players, myself, I have gotten nearly all of mine on free transfers, spent enormous amounts of time going through searching comparing attributes etc, but it has been worth it.

Again I sound like a smart****, but if you are wanting this to be a surefire win everything tactic then this probably won't be it especially for those of us who enjoy the LL teams. It has already been mentioned but worth reiterating, this tactic is great for building on, over time developing the team and hopefully with it greater success.

cheers tel

[Pea Tear Griffin]

I'm in League 2 at the moment.....problem with the counter is I have two good strikers, and since I'm not favourite in most of my games, it means only one will be able to play week in week out.

[telV7]

Fair enough, that is not or really shouldn't be too big a problem though. Essentially unless they are uber fit you should be subbing them. I try not to keep a player on the field once they hit 75% condition, unless I have no choice. Also even though they may be very good strikers look at their player ratings at half time, my suggestion,

if he is 5 sub him off and tell him you are angry

if he is 6 sub him off and tell him disappointed

if he is a 7 and hasn't scored just sub him off

For the striker coming on,

tell him you have faith

I would also look at the form over a few games, say Beavon ( i think he is one of your strikers) if his form 7,7,6 and he is your starting striker, bench him and give the other striker the start.

EG my strikers,

one is Extremely good, the other is just Very good

Extremely gets the start, always plays consistant,

I sub him with Very when he gets tired.

I decided to change it, I gave Very the start and at being given the opportunity, Very would go like the clappers at trying to score

Extremely, who is now benched just wants to get out there and is a little jacked that he is on the bench.

Half time I sub Very, and put on Extremely

I make sure I have a chat to Extremely, and say I have faith in him

Extremely goes out and, and I would say 80% of the time scores

I play counter for most of my games and have two strikers and mc/st all three of which are very good and on the day can be a match winner, you may need to just swap things around a bit here and there

[pointon27]

I thought i'd give your tactics a try and i'm impresses, been using them with Oldham in League 1 with average squad, 1st season using my own tactics i finished 8th which aint bad, 2nd season i gave yours a try, and i've just won promotion, with a whopping 105 points, we're the highest scorers in the league with over a 100 goals along with the best defence, i lost 6 games all season with the tactic which was down to me getting it wrong not the tactic, the defeats came in the 1st half of the season so i'm now looking forward to the championship.

With opposition instructions the way i use it and i've had great success is:

Strikers with pace 13 or less i close down and hard tackle

Strikers with pace over 13 i tight mark and hard tackle

Strikers though that may have low pace but jumping is 15 or over i tight mark and hard tackle

Wingers with pace 13 or less i close down and show on to weaker foot

Wingers with pace higher then 13 i tight mark and show on to weaker foot

Def mid or MC with barrow i close down always.

This has proved highly successful and anyone not to sure what to do with OI i would suggest you give this a try, if your playing in a higher league you may want to change the formato to 15 or less close down higher tight mark as you will have better defenders to deal with the pace.

Once again thanks for posting these great tactics i'll update you on how the championship goes.

[pointon27]

Hey PTG,

I am sure others with more knowledge could give you better answers. All I can do is say what I have done and it has worked quite well for me. I am not blitzing eveyone but the team is playing better FB

In the screenshot (sorry don't know how to post larger size) is the run home for my last season, I think from memory it was against Southend, or possibly Plymouth, a couple of games before, that I started using the tactic. The results may not appear astounding but for a team that was sitting in 22nd for over half the season to come back and finish strong in 16th I think is pretty good

The Tactic, 4-4-2 & Counter

I do believe it takes a few games for the team to adjust ( at least 7 - 10 )

Personally I would run the counter tactic and get that working and then start using the 4-4-2

The odds thing, does work , however I do risk it, if at home and only slight favourites, will play 4-4-2 at least for the first half.

OI instructions, whether I am right or wrong I do not know, but irrespective of tactic, 4-4-2/counter I do this

Gk : nothing

DL, DC, DC, DR: Hard tackling

ML, MC, MC, MR: Close down Always, Hard Tackling, Show onto weaker foot

FC, FC, : Tight Marking Always, Close Down Always, Hard Tackling, Show onto Weaker Foot

If the dangerman for the opposition plays Midfield will apply the same as FC

Also depending on the opposition lineup,

Attacking Mids, and Defensive Mids, same OI as FC

Wingbacks( as they tend to be quick little buggers) Hard tackling and tightmarking

I am not sure but due to the heavy OI instructions I have when using 4-4-2, it could be hampering the attack, any opinions I will listen

Also team talks and Morale, as I mentioned on your other thread, The_ Lambs table for improving morale. . . stellar, works an absolute treat. A good/great tactic will only get you so far and if your team are not happy the chances of you doing well will be extremely diminished

Sorry but there really no way of saying that doesn't make me sound like a smart**** , but only Arsenal probably play Arsenal style football, and as a lot of people tend to play PRM teams I'd say that where the comment is attributed to.

Rushden being a BSP Team, will probably never play like that, having said that, it does not mean your team cannot perform extremely well get promoted win silverware etc. On another thread I did read the Lower League Teams need to play at a slower tempo, this being that these teams have a much different set of attributes/standard to those playing CH, PRM etc. Which is why for myself the counter tactic has been very successful, and I would recommend you pursue it further. Also for teams in the Lower Leagues, as The Lambs mentions above Defenders are extremely important, also quick ones. My current squad is 18 players, of those 18, 9 are defenders.

Having only played Cheltenham in L1, I do not know how it is for yourself in BSP to get good players, myself, I have gotten nearly all of mine on free transfers, spent enormous amounts of time going through searching comparing attributes etc, but it has been worth it.

Again I sound like a smart****, but if you are wanting this to be a surefire win everything tactic then this probably won't be it especially for those of us who enjoy the LL teams. It has already been mentioned but worth reiterating, this tactic is great for building on, over time developing the team and hopefully with it greater success.

cheers tel

I may be wrong t i always though closing down and tight marking are in a sense opposites, so i either do one or the other, i.e you are facing a striker with pace, i'd want him tight marked so i can try and steal the ball as soon as he gets it, but a striker with low pace, i have no need to tight mark as he's not likely to outstrip your defender so for this i use the closing down, the same rule applies to wingers, i also tight mark big strikers with a high jumping attribute, as i want him to be constantly pressured when jumping for the ball instead of closing him down which tend to have your defenders back off until the opposition players receives the ball then they close down quickly, which isn't good when the player will most likely be flicking the ball on for other strikers.

[jod123]

Hi, I decided to start using your tactics, polat_dgn. I am using them for my Managerial Career story. I am managing QUB in Nothern Ireland. They are expected to finish 11th out of 12 in the Northern Irish Second Division. I have only played 3 competitive games so far, using counter in each one. They have been all cup games. These are my results:

Bangor 0-1 QUB

QUB 2-3 H & W Welders

Ballyclare 0-1 QUB

All my opponents so far have been from the First Division. So I am impressed so far with these tactics.

[telV7]

I may be wrong t i always though closing down and tight marking are in a sense opposites, so i either do one or the other, i.e you are facing a striker with pace, i'd want him tight marked so i can try and steal the ball as soon as he gets it, but a striker with low pace, i have no need to tight mark as he's not likely to outstrip your defender so for this i use the closing down, the same rule applies to wingers, i also tight mark big strikers with a high jumping attribute, as i want him to be constantly pressured when jumping for the ball instead of closing him down which tend to have your defenders back off until the opposition players receives the ball then they close down quickly, which isn't good when the player will most likely be flicking the ball on for other strikers.

Thanks pointon27, I will try what you have suggested, it makes sense what you have said & TBH, was never sure with the OI instructions so much appreciated

cheers tel

[WI5ARD]

can i just say that this is a great tactic that has brought the fun and excitment back to what has become for a lot of us a stale game.

QPR - season 1 - hammered the championship scored over 150 goals and although conceeded 70, still one the league by 21 points on 113 points

QPR - season 2 - finished 6th tied with 4th and 5th only had lower goal difference!

Now just started season 3 and pushing for champions league position!

The only problem that i have with the formation is how much attention it brings to your good players that you have bought and nurished through, or players picked up because relegated and transfer listed and picked up for a bargin - each preseason i lose maybe 10 squad players and although i make good money i have to build a team each season!

Jimenez - bought 2.5m 24 months - 1 season 30 odd assists and sold to everton for 20m + 50%! the board accepting bids can be so cruel!

[The Lambs]

Just a query in regard to the counter tac, on the first page polat instructs to put your most creative CM in the right slot as the creativity for this position is set higher.

Now this might seem a stupid question, but I have never used this section before . . . .

As the right CM is the most creative, should I select him to be the target man ( drag and drop player onto the list )?

No target man or play maker in this tactic. just use your best creative stated midfield player in that position, high flair and some good ppms are also a bonus. I have had great success with Anderson in that position in the past few seasons.

[pointon27]

Ok nearing the end of my 1st season in the championship with Oldham, i'm currently 10th i dont think i'll make play offs though, as others have said i'm struggling abit this season conceeding lots of goals, i'm in the semi finals of the FA CUP though so it aint all too bad.

What i did do in my last game though was i played Blackburn in the quarter finals of the FA CUP, and decided to watch it on full match , i scored 1st with my only chance in the 1st half, Blackburn equalised shortly after and completly dominated me in the 1st half and i was a tad lucky to get to half time at 1-1. I noticed the Blackburn attacks though came due to my full backs constantly out of position, so i'm normally scared to tinker with someone elses tactic incase i make it a alot worse, but i knew at half time if i dont do anything i'm surely going to lose.

What i did was i lowered the mentality of my full backs to the last notch of defensive, and lowered my centre backs to 2 notches lower then my full backs, i took creative freedom completly off all my back four, because i realised they'd been making stupid mistakes all season, i then increased the defensive line by 3 notches.

The results were impressive so much i thought i'd share them with others to try, i won the game 3-1 and i absolutly batetred them 2nd half, it could of been a fluke but i doubt it due to the dominance Blackburn had in the 1st half. The good thing though is i didn't feel it took anything away from my attack, infact i attacked better in the 2nd half.

I'm now thinking of implementing the same changed in the 4-4-2 formation.

[The Lambs]

pointon27, I love it when you get that light bulb moment with a tactic and you can suddenly see what is going wrong with it and have an idea of how to alter it to correct the problem.

The most important line in your message was "and decided to watch it on full match", you learn so much when watching the full match. I can not recommend it enough to any player using any tactic. watch the little dots to see where you are losing the ball and where the opposition is winning it. It changes your out luck on the game completely.

I have not seen it mentioned on here before, but both tactics do get your full backs to behave different from your normal full backs. this will cause you to struggle a bit against teams that play wide and just by pass them.

[TUMJM]

These 2 tactics are the best I have ever tried. I am currently in-charge of St. Albans, and won the Conference South and Setanta Shield in my first season. I am doing well in my second season, top of the league and in all 3 cups, including the FA CUP 4th round, where I beat Derby (Prem) 2-1 away. I used the counter tactic against Derby County and I scored a 92nd minute goal to win the game. I am now drawn against Middlesbrough at Home.

[Stevow]

pointon27, just followed your instructions to the letter as I was desperate for a win. I'm bottom of the Swiss Super League with my newly promoted FC Vaduz and was playing the team above me. 0-0 at half-time with them dominating and looking more likely to score, changed the back line as suggested and came away with a priceless 0-2 away win! Class

[9]

Warning to all. Do NOT try this tactic with a small team.

I adopted this tactic about 10 games into the season with Havant and Waterlooville in my second season after gaining promotion in the first. Before using this tactic i had an ok start. I was sitting about 6 points clear of the relegation zone but felt i could do better. After using this tactic for the remaining three quarters of the season i was relegated. Ultimately the blame lies with me for not changing it around and scrapping this god awful tactic but just a warning to all. Do NOT use as a small team. Its not all that. The thing is you will always win when you have Aguero and Villa up front. It needs to be tested on smaller teams. Unfortunately i was that test. It failed.

AVOID

and before anyone says anything yes a followed all the odds malarkey so it cannot be put down to that!

[Powello]

Hello everyone,

I have just started a new game with Man City and will try out these tactics and report back how I get on with it.

[Smac]

Looks promising, and will give it a whirl.

And "9", many people in the thread are playing with small teams. Maybe there's another factor?

[fettot]

9

has nothing to do with this tactic

just shows u are a terrible manager and dont use team talks and subs correctly, thread is full with appriciation posts and screen of small teams winning serie A and EPL.

so 9 stfu and stop post like that

[polat_dgn]

i am glad that this thread has turned into a good discussion of tactical approaches, team talks and other useful stuff about the game rather than people only posting their results and what they think about the these tactics.. this makes me more happy than all people saying "this is the best/worst tac ever, stuff like that, etc." would do

[Almondo]

Great Tactics. I struggled through my last season and started out struggling this season. I used these tactics and have now got to the top of the league. will certainly keep using them.

[FM08_Joe]

Great tactic mate:thup:

Started a new game with Chelsea and its worked wonders.

I tried Kimz tactic in the friendly's and it wasnt working.

Now im using your 442 and counter and its brilliant

Ive found that Terry is coring alot from corners and set pieces

http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w346/fm08_joe/Tery.jpg

Thanks fo the awesome tactic:D

[Wes_Coulam]

Going to give this a try with my grimsby team in 2016, struggling to break the top 4.

[Wes_Coulam]

http://www.prntscrn.net/img.php?img=FMheythere.jpg

Good results after 13 games, could have won rangers but sent out my b team.

http://www.prntscrn.net/img.php?img=FMheythere_2.jpg

League Table, Not doing bad hopeing to stay in the top 4 and get Champs league football.

[Wes_Coulam]

Just a question do you use DR or DL in the right back and left back slot or Defensive mid's? my assistant uses DMS when i let him choose the squad but i prefer right and left backs.

[Wes_Coulam]

Had to stop useing this now it crashed after the january re rank , still very good tactic but not for my team.

[glynnbob]

just keep mixing the tactics round and the ai will not rerank as it gets confused-simple really i managed to get leicester city 4th in prem in my 5th season and im rubbish at this game!!!

[achmed rules]

looks a promising tactic, im using it with my valencia team, just beat barca 2-0 at there ground =)

[Law_Man]

The Counter tactic should be renamed "Chelski Killer"

EDIT: ps in the attacking 442 tactic, is the left hand MC supposed to be on such defensive mentality!?

Cheers.