R0ca Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I'm currently playing as Man City using a 4-2-3-1 system i have Pastore and Paulo Henrique as my AMC's however i would like to find a role for this kid in my system... URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/41/neilblackwellprofileatt.png/][/url] Uploaded with ImageShack.us The reason why i want to find a role for him are two fold, the first being his english and thats an area where my team struggles in. The second being he came through my academy. The idea which i currently have in my is him playing as a attacking midfielder attack, getting into the area to provide another goalscoring threat. I tend to play with two inside forwards to accomodate blackwell i was considering playing more creative type players in the wide roles to play through balls into the channels for him. Any suggestions and idea's would be appreciated, i'm not looking for help in this thread it's more a case of floating idea's between one and another to make this kid a city legend! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert the Spud Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 possibly retrain him to AMR/L/C and use as an inside forward due to his great dribbling. His creativity is not the best to be playing behind two strikers, but then again he is the next Frank Lampard9but with pace). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romanista1994 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Retrain to left wing? I can see him scoring quite a few goals from there as an inside forward, either getting in behind the fullback and placing a shot or from headers at the back post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0ca Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 possibly retrain him to AMR/L/C and use as an inside forward due to his great dribbling. His creativity is not the best to be playing behind two strikers, but then again he is the next Frank Lampard9but with pace). Thats something i never actually considered!, He's not the fastest and lacks flair which is why i never considered him for a wider role, His dribbling is good for sure i just wish he wasn't such a all-around player. my team is more specialist thats why i'm struggling to fit him in, he doesn't fit like a glove into any roles which i currently use Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0ca Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 @ Romanista:- My Team is strictly no crossing! however u could be onto something with that, it would give me a totally new threat and could make a good "plan B" i will give it a go in a couple of friendlies and see how i get on. Keep the idea's coming i'd still prefer to play him behind a lone striker but these idea's are really proving interesting! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucatonix Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 You could try him as an attacking midfielder attack and have the ST come deep. That should make him at times run past the ST which would be hard to defend against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0ca Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 You could try him as an attacking midfielder attack and have the ST come deep. That should make him at times run past the ST which would be hard to defend against. This is what i had in mine, a Creative forward with Blackwell running beyond him which should prove hard to mark, i believe he could be quite affective in this role as one of my main reasons for trying to mould him into my side is to negate the effectiveness of teams playing with DMC just marking my more creative AMC's out of the game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucatonix Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 If you have lots of creative players, try putting them at the 2 MC slots and both wingers. This would make them get lots of time on the ball, because the opposiition cannot tight mark them without giving a massive amount of space to your AM and ST. With angled though balls and passes coming from all over the pitch it would be a nightmare to defend against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0ca Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 If you have lots of creative players, try putting them at the 2 MC slots and both wingers. This would make them get lots of time on the ball, because the opposiition cannot tight mark them without giving a massive amount of space to your AM and ST. With angled though balls and passes coming from all over the pitch it would be a nightmare to defend against. Yes I'm blessing with creative players thankfully, i'm gonna with this now as speak... Friendly against Galataseray who appear to be playing a 4-1-2-3 so it should be interesting, I'll reply here again with my thoughts on how this has worked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0ca Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 Managed to beat Gala 4-0 (away from home) Blackwell managed to bag a goal and finish up with a rating of 8.3, his runs from deep caused problems as i'd hoped. I would have liked my TQ (aguero) to drop a bit deeper as he wasn't involved in play as much as i would have liked. Gala's high closing down caused me problems getting the balls out of defense in the first half especially as they marked all of my players very closely my time despite having high off the ball still struggled to escape the clutches of the high pressing. I'm pleased but further idea's and tweaks are needed to get the most out of the entire set up so keep the idea's flowing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucatonix Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Try lowering Aguero's mentality. I remember Cleon having a thread where he set his AMC mentality to defensive so he could stay inbetween the lines. I'm not sure how to overcome the other problem without more information. Keep testing it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0ca Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 Try lowering Aguero's mentality. I remember Cleon having a thread where he set his AMC mentality to defensive so he could stay inbetween the lines. I'm not sure how to overcome the other problem without more information. Keep testing it out. Will do, I'm trying to stay within the TC, however Altering the mentality shouldn't have much of a impact on the rest of the team so i think i'll make a exception. And yes i'm using alot of Cleon's and Sfrasers tips and hints to try and improve my understanding of the match engine, the more minds the better is what i say! Something i found interesting regarding the game i just played against gala was how as soon as Blackwell made a run the DMC of gala didn't follow and this is what caused them a huge issue. i want both of my CM's to stick deep deep so they could have had their dmc chasing blackwell without losing that foothold in the centre of midfield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucatonix Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I think you should try setting your CMs as deep lying playmakers with roaming ticked. This will make the stay deep, but will roam around making them harder to mark. It can make them go forward at times but not often. Perhaps try it out to see if it works. Good to hear the AM ploy is working. Keep us updated as to what lowering the ST's mentality does in their partnership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0ca Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 I think you should try setting your CMs as deep lying playmakers with roaming ticked. This will make the stay deep, but will roam around making them harder to mark. It can make them go forward at times but not often. Perhaps try it out to see if it works.Good to hear the AM ploy is working. Keep us updated as to what lowering the ST's mentality does in their partnership. Their already set in this manner my friend, what i'm noticing is one will tip-toe forward whilst the other will hang back deep, on occassion a lone striker will mark my deepest CM, and the other one will tip-toe into the box if the move takes awhile to progress down the flanks, It's not a huge problem and i suppose when you give players to the ability to use their own judgement there will always be small annoyances heh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFraser Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 If you can beef up his defensive attributes he would be a legendary Attacking Fullback. Think Cafu. Here is my Left Back: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucatonix Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Yeah I suppose so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucatonix Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I can see your thinking SFraser but for me his Finishing is too high and bravery too low to be used their; although he would be good their as a wing back. I think he would be better as an attacking midfielder in a Cahill-esque role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFraser Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I can see your thinking SFraser but for me his Finishing is too high and bravery too low to be used their; although he would be good their as a wing back. I think he would be better as an attacking midfielder in a Cahill-esque role. If you want to play like Everton, sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0ca Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 Sadly, He's not as good in 11.3, and me being in 2016 he doesn't fit my mould i'm very much like you are, i want to create legends not by them. Right back, He's got a lil CA left to use not much tho, he's a 2 and a 1/2 star AMC with a potential of 3.0... I've just put him a right back for the second half of this game to have a look I'm using your framework SFraser from your meet the system thread and thats pretty much the basis for my own system(s) ofcourse slightly modifications are needed to suite my players which is very much what is work in progress at the moment hence bouncing of idea's of everyone to get different perspectives on things. I'm currently 25 mins into the second game of my turkish pre-season tour. 3-0 up against fenerbache. There 4-4-2 is getting exposed, I've reverted back to the inside forward system for this game and using a good old fashioned number 10 who is sitting in the hole causing problems for poor fener Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0ca Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 I can see your thinking SFraser but for me his Finishing is too high and bravery too low to be used their; although he would be good their as a wing back. I think he would be better as an attacking midfielder in a Cahill-esque role. I can see how he could be utilised in a number of ways he's a very good player all around, In the world of modern football full backs are often the guy's who find themselves in the most space. I think SFraser is looking to exploit this by having a full back who can pretty much do it all to a good standard, but can great to a godly standard 16 Creativty for a fall back is a fullback i'd love to see Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucatonix Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 If it were me I would use him at AMC or AMR. I would say that to spray balls around from a fullback position I would prefer someone like Maxwell for my Barca team. I think these attributes are more suited to a fullback role where he draws players out and then hits a 30-40 yard ball over the top to the free left winger or short to a midfielder. His higher creativity and flair means he makes some breathtaking passes which split the defense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFraser Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 If it were me I would use him at AMC or AMR. I would say that to spray balls around from a fullback position I would prefer someone like Maxwell for my Barca team. I think these attributes are more suited to a fullback role where he draws players out and then hits a 30-40 yard ball over the top to the free left winger or short to a midfielder. His higher creativity and flair means he makes some breathtaking passes which split the defense. His Positioning is identical to the guy in the OP and his tackling is only one point better. But he lacks the Stamina, Pace and Teamwork/Workrate of the guy in the OP. My arguement rests on the idea that an attacking player needs to be much better than the guy in the OP for the OP to achieve his ambitions. He is too physical and lacks enough movement and intelligence to operate at the heart of an attack that is going to be swamped by opposition players. I like the guy the OP posted, but if I were to find a spot for him in my team it would be as fullback. His attacking stats are simply not good enough to operate at the heart of a World Class attacking side. He could play as a decent AMC, or a decent winger, or as a decent Striker. But if what you are looking for is an attack that is the best you can build then he is not the man for advanced positions. But he would make a great fullback in such a system. Better than your fullback I would wager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0ca Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 If it were me I would use him at AMC or AMR. I would say that to spray balls around from a fullback position I would prefer someone like Maxwell for my Barca team. I think these attributes are more suited to a fullback role where he draws players out and then hits a 30-40 yard ball over the top to the free left winger or short to a midfielder. His higher creativity and flair means he makes some breathtaking passes which split the defense. I don't think there's a huge amount of difference between Maxwell and Alaba. They'll play pretty similairly i do however believe SFraser would be more likely to play Alaba at left back for the simple reason he wouldn't get in the team in a more advanced role, None the less the suggestions made in this thread have really helped make my team play with alot more fluidity the football is so much easier on the eye now, however i need to stop admiring my team's play and cast a more critical eye! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFraser Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I don't think there's a huge amount of difference between Maxwell and Alaba. You can start with 19 Determination, 18 Natural Fitness, 16 Stamina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0ca Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 You can start with 19 Determination, 18 Natural Fitness, 16 Stamina. I meant more from a creative aspect than anything else, Also another thing i've noticed is playing older players at fullback, when your wingers are really advanced can be risky, especially late on in the game, after they've ran 12k and there stamina is on the wane... Alaba will keep going, I'm not sure if maxwell will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFraser Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I meant more from a creative aspect than anything else, Also another thing i've noticed is playing older players at fullback, when your wingers are really advanced can be risky, especially late on in the game, after they've ran 12k and there stamina is on the wane...Alaba will keep going, I'm not sure if maxwell will. Fullback is a hard role. Physical ability, guts, and making good decisions are the key rather than any much technical skill. One of my best "defensive" fullbacks is pretty poor in the technical aspect of defending, but he fights and fouls a lot and never gives in. Sucks when he chases a player to the edge of the D and then hacks him down though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0ca Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 Fullback is a hard role. Physical ability, guts, and making good decisions are the key rather than any much technical skill. One of my best "defensive" fullbacks is pretty poor in the technical aspect of defending, but he fights and fouls a lot and never gives in. Sucks when he chases a player to the edge of the D and then hacks him down though. Lol, I just found a player a i forgot about who will play right back for me this season, he's a monster phyisicially, above average mentally, and poor technically. He's doing well so far... he's been on loan for about 3 years.... I feel that fullbacks can get away with being poor technically if the players playing around them are good off the ball and give them a passing option, if this doesn't happen expect the ball to be hoofed into touch or all the way up the line to no-one. Uploaded with ImageShack.us He just improved too, he came through my academy as well spent 6 seasons out on loan, boy i didn't half overlook him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucatonix Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 His Positioning is identical to the guy in the OP and his tackling is only one point better. But he lacks the Stamina, Pace and Teamwork/Workrate of the guy in the OP. My arguement rests on the idea that an attacking player needs to be much better than the guy in the OP for the OP to achieve his ambitions. He is too physical and lacks enough movement and intelligence to operate at the heart of an attack that is going to be swamped by opposition players. I like the guy the OP posted, but if I were to find a spot for him in my team it would be as fullback. His attacking stats are simply not good enough to operate at the heart of a World Class attacking side. He could play as a decent AMC, or a decent winger, or as a decent Striker. But if what you are looking for is an attack that is the best you can build then he is not the man for advanced positions. But he would make a great fullback in such a system. Better than your fullback I would wager Defensively, probably; due to his much higher teamwork, determination and work rate. Add this to Maxwell's not so great defensive attributes and loss of speed, meaning I would rather play Milito or Fontas or Muniesa at LB against very good pacey right wingers. The only reason Maxwell is still at the team is because he is so good offensively. He plays umpteen times better than Bale of supporting and spraying balls around. Maxwell's great creativity combined with lots of space on the ball, means he can draw the opposition RB in unleashing Villa on the left wing to cut inside. It almost feels like playing a deep lying playmaker at left back. This makes Maxwell a fine rotation LB with Bale holding the first team slot. Hence why I would rather have Maxwell than Blackwell. (Although I would much rather have Alaba.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFraser Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Lol. That's some level of overlooking players to be sure. Nice player, how much you selling him for? I feel that fullbacks can get away with being poor technically if the players playing around them are good off the ball and give them a passing option, if this doesn't happen expect the ball to be hoofed into touch or all the way up the line to no-one. That's the mental side of the game. Creativity, Decisions, Teamwork, Anticipation. I used to value Anticipation as the greatest, most important stat in the game. It's definately a key attribute but I think Creativity trumps Anticipation when it comes to top spot for the ultimate attributes. But that's the style I play. Being able to see a pass rather than being able to see someone aiming for your knee. But I will always value mentals above everything else in general. Each role has it's specific Physical needs, but the best football is played by those with the best mentals. Design a team with superior Mentals and the Physiicals/Technicals for the role, that's my philosophy. The proof is in the pudding, there is no better attribute for a centre back or a striker than anticipation, but football is about passing the ball. Defensively, probably; due to his much higher teamwork, determination and work rate Those are attributes that contribute to both defence and attack, which is the job of most fullbacks. That's why I went for the lad as a fullback, he is not great at the central roles but he has the perfect attributes for the wider roles. Not technically perfect by any means but in terms of what he is good at and what he is passable at, attacking fullback sticks out a mile. I wouldnt mind having him as my rightback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0ca Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 Lol Tell me about it, i was aware i had him, just didn't "value him" Although he just avg a 5.8 Against arsenal in my 3-0 Community shield loss... It just goes to show the quirks of this game, However seeing Bendter score 2, one he beats phil jones to the ball, and the other was a ME bug where my GK Takes a GK arsenal CM (song) heads a through ball to bendter to tap round my keeper who would have got the ball with ease if he stepped out of penalty area... ah well onwards and upwards. And i couldn't agree more, i'm always looking for players with high mental attributes , especially at the higher levels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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