TheMinsterman Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 The Official sortitoutsi.net Update 2011/2012 I am pleased to announce the official confirmation of the sortitoutsi.net Update for the 2011/2012 season. As always work has been underway for months and in the interest of relieving public pressure, I decided to delay the announcement until the groundwork was completed but without any further ado I am pleased to publically announce that there will indeed by an Official sortitoutsi.net Update for another year running. With this in mind, let me address a few typical questions…. When will it be released? Let’s all face it, this is the burning question that is repeatedly asked year after year so I felt it was appropriate to address this concern first. The Official sortitoutsi.net Update doesn’t have an official release date, I always work on the principle that it shall be released when it is at a high standard. I will be aiming to release the database shortly after the close of the transfer deadline, whether this will be September 1st or a few days later will be determined by the level of work remaining by the time this date arrives and how much transfer activity happens on the final day of the window. The update will not be released before the end of the transfer window, it is a policy I have always preferred as there is just too much scope for errors and I know this can only disappoint you all, thus I find it is much better to release the update after all clubs business has been concluded. Does this update include player cleansing? Unfortunately this update does not include player cleansing (a term I coined to describe the editing of players arrival dates to allow more fluid transfers, i.e. a player who joined last season would willingly leave instead of declare his happiness to have joined). It is a very time consuming task to do the whole process justice and rather than apply a weak-willed effort I decided that, in the interest of time (player cleansing on the scale I used to do would take several weeks and months of 4-6 hour work the majority of the week) I have decided to not include this element in the update. Do you update leagues outside of England? Yes, countries outside England will receive attention, this is not an Anglo centric database as I am aware that people enjoy to play games across the globe (myself included) and it would be unfair on those outside of England if I didn’t dedicate the same amount of care and attention to other countries. Naturally England will be the most indepth in terms of editing due to my own location and access to media, however when you download the update this year the file will include a large map which will be colour-coded to reflect how much attention a country has received in terms of modifications, so you will be able to gauge how accurate a country may or may not be. Have clubs finances been updated I take great pride in making sure clubs have accurate finances which reflect reality but also provide a challenge inside the game engine. Clubs like Manchester City, Paris Saint-Germain etc will of course have vast swathes of wealth to unleash on the transfer market as is the case in real life, whilst poorer clubs will be more restricted in their activity. In general I balance reality and gameplay to find a comfortable middle ground. I am fully aware that not everybody will necessarily agree with my figures, but this is inevitable in a sport that is all about opinions. Will league expansions etc work with you database? I cannot confirm whether any of your other data files will work in conjunction with my database, effectively you will attempt to use them at your own risk and I strongly recommend only using files provided by myself that are 100% compatible to enjoy the best results. This doesn’t mean you can’t, I just cannot determine what files my database would work in conjunction with. I disagree with something in your update/I have found an error/U toetly sux I am always open to constructive criticism, this year will be no different. If you find an error, omission or generally disagree with clubs bank balance for example you are welcome to post in this thread and I will answer you and either amend the problem or explain them. What will not be tolerated is foul mouthed abuse. Bare in mind that these updates take hundreds of hours a year to assemble per year, are incredibly taxing on the mind and body and ultimately are provided to you all for no cost whatsoever. Criticism is welcome if it is polite and constructive, foul mouthed rants will be responded to in the tone they deserve or ignored entirely. This isn’t direct at the majority of you, but sadly a minority makes this a necessity to point out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If there are any other questions you may have please feel free to ask them in this thread and I will do my best to answer them. If you want to simply post comings and goings to make sure I include them for your own club etc or just want to see screenshots and so on feel free to do so. Keep a look out on this thread for updates or follow me on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/sortitoutsiupdate TheMinsterman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty1974 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Cant wait till this gets released Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC_Jordi Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 I cant see the download link? where is it? Did you read any of it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePav Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Welcome back Minsterman and good luck. Its a lot of work..defo appreciate your time and effort m8. Always a class update. Feel free to put mine and wallys update on your website so people have something to play until your release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMinsterman Posted August 13, 2011 Author Share Posted August 13, 2011 Thank you Pav, you are more than welcome to release your update on the site, in fact we have a section just for that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert the Spud Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Do you change player ca/pa and things of similar stature? I can't see anything about that unless i'm being blind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMinsterman Posted August 13, 2011 Author Share Posted August 13, 2011 I do not touch CA/PA, I leave it alone as it causes too many arguments, however I may release an OPTIONAL file with some tweaks in, but the main database itself will be unchanged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quads Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 did ALL European countries get updates? By all I mean all playable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taquin Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 are u gonna have ca/pa changes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrIgz Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I've never tried one of these huge data updates before so I'm just wondering....do you actually change the year and have updated competition winners? As in, are just the clubs and players updated but you still start at the beginning of last season or is everything updated up to the beginning of this season, including last year's champions etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert the Spud Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 You cannot change the year, so it starts from 2010. But in the other DB's in this forum, last yrs competition winners are changed, or so i believe. Not sure how this impacts histories or anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert the Spud Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I do not touch CA/PA, I leave it alone as it causes too many arguments, however I may release an OPTIONAL file with some tweaks in, but the main database itself will be unchanged. Thanks, forgot to ask, what about player contracts etc, will these be changed? I.e- Gallas/Bale's new deals... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stg34tx Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Update sounds good - looking forward to it! Does the update include fixed competition names, etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert the Spud Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Update sounds good - looking forward to it! Does the update include fixed competition names, etc? Can you change competition names in the pre-game editor without having to download someone else's pack? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMinsterman Posted August 14, 2011 Author Share Posted August 14, 2011 did ALL European countries get updates? By all I mean all playable Every single playable league in the world has had loans and injuries removed/backdated, hopefully a large proportion will receive transfer attention. All of them should have promotions/relegations etc. I've never tried one of these huge data updates before so I'm just wondering....do you actually change the year and have updated competition winners? As in, are just the clubs and players updated but you still start at the beginning of last season or is everything updated up to the beginning of this season, including last year's champions etc? As mentioned I cannot start the game in the summer of 2011 (believe me if SI allowed this as an option my life would be 100000000x easier), but everything is changed as if it were this summer instead of 2010 so competition winners, qualifiers etc are all updated to the 2011/2012 season. For example... You cannot change the year, so it starts from 2010. But in the other DB's in this forum, last yrs competition winners are changed, or so i believe. Not sure how this impacts histories or anything. It doesn't have any impact thankfully. None that I have noticed. Thanks, forgot to ask, what about player contracts etc, will these be changed? I.e- Gallas/Bale's new deals... New contracts are, where spotted in news feeds, updated. Admittedly some may not be but again I don't mind updating any issues people discover. Update sounds good - looking forward to it! Does the update include fixed competition names, etc? It doesn't, no, I can always release the notepad files I use in my own game to do that if there is a demand but I believe there may be some more than are much, much more indepth now. With the "artists" permission I may include them OR a link to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshotbg Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I hope the Bulgarian "A" group gets some attention as it is rarely updated in any other updates If needed I can make a full list of all the changes for my favorite CSKA (Sofia)? Actually, there is plenty of time so I could translate a list from Bulgarian for the whole A group if you can't find a good source in English. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMinsterman Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 I hope the Bulgarian "A" group gets some attention as it is rarely updated in any other updates If needed I can make a full list of all the changes for my favorite CSKA (Sofia)? Actually, there is plenty of time so I could translate a list from Bulgarian for the whole A group if you can't find a good source in English. I endeavour to update leagues where there is a demand, even if it is after the initial release in the form of a "patch". If there are errors (or regrettably no changes) A list would be fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deisler26 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 U.D Leiria were kicked out of their stadium by the council and will spend the next 3 years at Estadio Marinha Grande, a 6k capacity stadium in a town of the same name 12km away Also, André Almeida and Pedro Almeida have moved from Benfica to Leiria. Ruben Brigido suffered a broken leg in pre-season and will be out for 6 months Also, here is an updated squad list for this season Some more information about the new home of Leiria Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMinsterman Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 Desiler these have been noted, sorry to hear of your plight regarding the stadium, from a fan of a club that has struggled I hope you get through it all! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMinsterman Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 I am now officially open to requests for screenshots, so please feel free to request. (NOTE - There are no loans included thus far, so if your team doesn't have loan players then DO NOT be surprised, they WILL be included in the released database.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierblue123 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Can you show me a screen shot of Leeds United please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMinsterman Posted August 21, 2011 Author Share Posted August 21, 2011 Can you show me a screen shot of Leeds United please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackemDixon Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Looking forward to this! Any chance of a screen of Sunderland if you have the chance? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMinsterman Posted August 22, 2011 Author Share Posted August 22, 2011 MackemDixon, that is no trouble at all. When I get home tonight I will load up the DB and get a screenshot for you. EDIT - You're in luck I got a moment.... Please note some players may be in the reserves i.e. James McClean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugsy_burrows Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Shouldn't Connor Wickham actually be worth whatever Sunderland payed for him? Just adds abit more realism to the game. But keep up the work guys! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 TheMinsterman...looking forward to this:D just a couple of questions will it be save game compatable and will the current window transfer be just that in game....ie wont take place until 2011...or are you setting it that these transfers are kicking in if you start a new game for the 2010 season thanks again for the work;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deisler26 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Can you screenie me the Leiria side? And cheers for the support1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMinsterman Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 TheMinsterman...looking forward to this:Djust a couple of questions will it be save game compatable and will the current window transfer be just that in game....ie wont take place until 2011...or are you setting it that these transfers are kicking in if you start a new game for the 2010 season thanks again for the work;) It will not effect save games at all, so any games your playing you can keep playing it won't make them break or anything, but it will not effect data inside the save. The transfers are all done as if it was 2011, but the game will still start in 2010, it is a unchangeable game mechanic and setting the transfer for a year in the future then opens up the problem of people moving about after a year despite the game throwing up completely different outcomes to the season just gone. Shouldn't Connor Wickham actually be worth whatever Sunderland payed for him? Just adds abit more realism to the game. But keep up the work guys! I will see if I can get it to do so, but generally the game values players as it wishes without a bit of trickery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwich1982 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 keep up the good work!! can i see a screenie of the norwich squad? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbsie Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Can i see Dundee squad please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob727 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Sorry to be a pain but could i get a screenshot of Peterborough and Schalke? I will be able to give info and updates on these two teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rob727 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Thanks for the quick reply, looks very good. Transfer-wise the only thing I can see is Nathan Koranteng is now at Woking. Also I can't see Paul Taylor in the Peterborough squad, signed an 18 month contract back in February. Dont forget to remove his ban/injury. He'll be the 22 year old one in the editor. Also, not sure if you're doing position changes since it's all subjective, but Craig Alcock can play anywhere across the back four, and Marco Hoger has started at right back for every game for Schalke this season. Although I'm sure these can easily be trained in-game so no worries. Can't wait for this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMinsterman Posted August 24, 2011 Author Share Posted August 24, 2011 Thanks for the quick reply, looks very good. Transfer-wise the only thing I can see is Nathan Koranteng is now at Woking.Also I can't see Paul Taylor in the Peterborough squad, signed an 18 month contract back in February. Dont forget to remove his ban/injury. He'll be the 22 year old one in the editor. Also, not sure if you're doing position changes since it's all subjective, but Craig Alcock can play anywhere across the back four, and Marco Hoger has started at right back for every game for Schalke this season. Although I'm sure these can easily be trained in-game so no worries. Can't wait for this Position changes are something I may or may not do once transfers are to a high standard, will have to come back to me on that one. Paul Taylor MAY be in the reserves for Petersborough, I will have to check later when I am on my PC rather than my laptop, if he isn't he will be duly added to the squad. As for Koranteng, good spot, I will "wing him" *snigger* off to Woking later today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stampler Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Can you post Borussia Dortmunds screens please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orrin Campbell Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 can you post the man city screen shots please. thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BluebirdsCCFC Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Hi Minster, Kelvin Etuhu was released by Man City earlier in the year (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-12846460). His Wiki page says he's at a Greek club now but I couldn't find him listed on their website, so not sure how accurate that is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMinsterman Posted August 24, 2011 Author Share Posted August 24, 2011 BluebirdsCCFC, you're indeed correct, Etuhu has now been placed in the Kavala squad, thanks for pointing that one out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooner88 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Hi mate will the kits and colours be changed to reflect changes in real life, like Arsenals away it now being blue rather than yellow? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugsy_burrows Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 All you have to do is make sure that you put in how much the club paid his last club for the transfer of the player (this can be found in the editor for the players history) Example... Go onto Conor Wickham and type in 12000000 into his last club... I haven't explained this well but hopefully you understand. Keep up the good work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMinsterman Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 All you have to do is make sure that you put in how much the club paid his last club for the transfer of the player (this can be found in the editor for the players history)Example... Go onto Conor Wickham and type in 12000000 into his last club... I haven't explained this well but hopefully you understand. Keep up the good work Yes I understand, it just doesn't always work sadly. Sometimes it merely records that he went for that fee but still values him as he pleases. Gooner88, I will try and get SOME done for the first release, but the intention is to do most kits done over time yes, obvious transfers take priority. Arsenal's have been changed however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stampler Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Chris Löwe is missing on the Dortmund squad. He joined from Chemnitzer FC this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
salva_bs Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Hello mate, could you please post Valencia's squad? Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grecian_03 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Hows Exeter look? Could you also post reserves/youth as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMinsterman Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 Chris Löwe is missing on the Dortmund squad. He joined from Chemnitzer FC this season. Chris Lowe is in the squad, the game has just placed him in the B squad for whatever reason. But he is at Dortmund in the database. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMinsterman Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 NOTE : The player "Cristian" is just off screen in the Valencia squad. So if you wonder where he is, he is in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris22 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Minsterman just to let you no i got the new Football League Sub's rule to Work send a Pm if you want me to put it on your Update Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llew_Arshavin23 Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 I presume this will be released once the Transfer Window shuts, correct? One question, will you be adding players like Souleymane Coulibaly, M'Baye Niang etc? It would be interesting to see how you rate them. This looks like a epic project though, Well Done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMinsterman Posted August 28, 2011 Author Share Posted August 28, 2011 I presume this will be released once the Transfer Window shuts, correct? One question, will you be adding players like Souleymane Coulibaly, M'Baye Niang etc? It would be interesting to see how you rate them.This looks like a epic project though, Well Done Yes, you're correct it shall be released once the window slams shut, I don't believe in releasing during transfer windows anymore as it just means your update is constantly out of date, much easier to release after when no more major changes can occur! Coulibaly is the Spurs striker correct? I may be wrong but I digress, I've created new players who warrant creation so SOME new guys are in, like the jailed ex-Sheff Utd player at Scunthorpe etc. Michael Ball too, few others. I do avoid making tons of youth players though, just relevent players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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