Bradley21 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Ilkay Gundogan hasn't impressed me yet this season, just doesn't seem as good as the hype. I will be interested to see how Chris Lowe is rated though, hes made the transition from non league to bundesliga look easy so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBKalle Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 This.The Swiss/Mexican/Ivory coast youth teams look amazing, as well as the Germans. I really hope they get well represented in terms of PA in FM12, would be a farce to see Alex Chamberlain or Ross Barkley have a higher PA than these players you mention, unfortunately the chances are they will be much higher rated just for being English. I don't think we, and the researchers, should go nuts over some half-promising guys doing well at some Under-something tournament... Youth football is different, and the rules for eligibility are quite weird [not to mention the usual "17yo african player who looks like he's 25" phenomenon], so I wouldn't suddenly set a PA of -8/-9 to dozens of players who happened to perform well at the most recent tournament. Dominic Adiyiah anyone? Should the whole Iceland U21 team get a PA around 150, thus meaning ALL of them will end up playing at an Eiður Guðjonhsen level in a couple of years? I don't think so... Most of those guys would be lucky/happy to have a respectable professional career in second-rate nations/leagues... FM has always had a rich history of dramatically overrating young players, creating bona fide FM icons who amounted to nothing in real life... That was acceptable 10-15 years ago, but nowadays with a bigger research team and a better exposure to football leagues/tournaments it's time to be a bit more "stingy" with high PA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley21 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I was never suggesting you set these players to -9 potential, just making the point that there are plenty of continental players who are underrated compared to their english counterparts. It isnt insane to look at Yesil, Coulibaly or Shaqiri and think they should have relatively good potential, Obviously not at the same standard as Dominic Adiyiah as he was grossly overrated, but at least to the standard that they may become a good player in long saves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally13 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Im at a loss with this English over rated players comment that's flying about, do people realize thats there's actually Spanish, German, Italian researchers etc as in from them countries and not all English people rating these so called foreign stars So for those screaming and shouting that this German players under rated or this Spanish kid under rated i'd get your self to the data issue thread and look for the researcher for you team or country as you'll probably find hes a native from that country and not some bias English guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley21 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Of course we realise this, but the English have a tendancy to overrate players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally13 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Of course we realise this, but the English have a tendancy to overrate players Trust me i've seen my fare share of over rated players in over leagues that has nothing to do with any English researchers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley21 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Maybe im just a bitter Scot then, where's all the 190 PA scottish kids eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally13 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Maybe im just a bitter Scot then, where's all the 190 PA scottish kids eh? Get your name down to be a Scottish researcher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigfacemonkeyman Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Maybe im just a bitter Scot then, where's all the 190 PA scottish kids eh? In England checking their ancestry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stampler Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 A few more young players that should be a lot better this year:Kevin Scheidhauer Kyriakos Papadopoulus Marcel Risse Philipp Klement Bernd Leno Tony Jantschke Ilkay Gündogan Max Grün Jan Kirchhoff Oliver Baumann Leonardo Bittencourt Ibrahima Traoré Marco Höger Zoltán Stieber Felix Klaus Kevin Müller Tobias Jänicke Alexander Esswein Karim Bellarabi all deserve a CA rise and a reasonably good PA maybe Dale Jennings but I can't judge on him unfortunately... I agree with you mostly. A few words: Felix Klaus , I had him im BVB game and he turned out an A Interantional for Germany. Gündogan as well , for turkey. Stieber is great already as well. Maybe you could add Klose and Wollscheid and Sonny Kittel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
german_wunderkind Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I agree with you mostly. A few words:Felix Klaus , I had him im BVB game and he turned out an A Interantional for Germany. Gündogan as well , for turkey. Stieber is great already as well. Maybe you could add Klose and Wollscheid and Sonny Kittel. You already mentioned them, so I didn't want to "take credit" Sonny has yet to prove on a higher level I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stampler Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Ok,then again Im a bit biased with Kittel for he comes from my hometown Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis999 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 For anyone doubting Wilshere, no-one has ever mentioned that he would be the best player in the world or the next Maradona or something similar that I read above, I watch every single Arsenal game being a fan and this video especially proves what I mean. [video=youtube;9W8Ie4MyRX0] Not sure if video's are allowed on here these days but I just wanted to highlight the point that, none of the other 19 year old and under player's that have been spoke about in this thread can say they have done what you will see in the video. We (Arsenal) weren't brilliant against Barca, we were okay as you would expect against such a team, we rode our luck at times and Almunia had one of those games in the first leg but Wilshere was the one biggest positive from both legs, he tackled, worked, kept the ball, passed it neatly, dribbled well. He, for me will be world class and in contention with the Ballon D'or when he is older, it's no England bias because I don't think anyone in the current England under 21 team will be anywhere near that level. I just think Jack has it all, and provided Arsene sort's the team out as soon as possible and fill's the team with great player's now a few have left, he won't be able to shine as much as the top player's do that have equally class player's around them. I know he had one good season, but the performance in the video, just, to me anyway showed he is capable of mixing it with the best on the planet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceirdiff Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Aaron Ramsey now he's back from injury. I've also heard a lot about Cardiff's Ibrahim Farah but he hasn't much game time yet.* Isn't Plymouths Joe Mason meant to be pretty good? *No senior league matches, just Carling and Friendly's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Welsh Lad Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Just thought don't know if he is going to be an out standing player even if he is included or still plays for them just remember the Jamie Redknapp Football star show that kid who won a contract with Inter. Ben Greenhalgh because hes not in FM11. And I don't know when its being show on TV but a second series is supposed to be filmed over this summer with Man City Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afced7 Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 He got released by Como lol. That show is so pointless, if players haven't made it at their local side what chance do they have at teams like Inter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Welsh Lad Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 I did find it interesting to how when not considered for the top two he had to play again along with two other to make it in has a 3rd and then wins tell its reality TV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumchin Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 there wont be any good english players.they are all too busy down the bookies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
i3rooker Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Wilfred Zaha, Ibra Sekajja & Jonathan Williams. Also Nathaniel Clyne and Sean Scannell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robvandam316 Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Christian Eriksen from Ajax. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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