knap Posted April 7, 2012 Author Share Posted April 7, 2012 Usually Silva left Nasri right but I use Johnson on either within rotation. Suits Tevez up front but I also use Tevez and Balotelli in these positions. Good players fit a tactical system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 7, 2012 Author Share Posted April 7, 2012 I picked out a very good match from last night, if you wish to see how the 451 plays. http://www.mediafire.com/?7c14q8g31t0d1rl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 8, 2012 Author Share Posted April 8, 2012 Would depend upon squad but my formation preference is 442. The 451 can be used with 3 MCs just push DM up to MC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Doing quite well with your 442 from post #569... FA Cup 4th rnd, played exclusively with players from my reserves. 20 CCC! Best tactic I've ever tried in any incarnation of CM/FM series! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 9, 2012 Author Share Posted April 9, 2012 Sometimes you get an odd result Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 Updated 442 for FM12.2.2 http://www.mediafire.com/?vrgzskgomnd5639 Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilanoBaros Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Trying tactic from post #569, so far so good. Lost only one so far, but they're much stronger then me, was near the relegation zone, not getting within promotion range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Updated 442 for FM12.2.2http://www.mediafire.com/?vrgzskgomnd5639 What's changed with this one? Might give it a go as I didn't get on with your last 442 and went back to your original 442 for 12.2.2. Also, while your tactics are great I would say that they have really odd names which makes it very difficult to tell the difference between them in the tactics section of the game. Changing the file name doesn't make a difference. They seem to start with an exclamation mark and then loads of spaces and then numbers. I don't mean to be fussy but could that be changed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirazS Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 They're not too hard to figure out. For example: ! Knap12.2.2P108F132A29Triple It is for the 12.2.2 patch, 108 points, 132 goals for and 29 goals against, treble won. That is how I see it anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 I use the exclamation mark and space to keep the better tactics at the top of my directory. Would be easier if less patches! The new 442 should be available as 4411, 4231 and 451. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirazS Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 I use the exclamation mark and space to keep the better tactics at the top of my directory. Would be easier if less patches!The new 442 should be available as 4411, 4231 and 451. Are you going to be releasing the above formations knap or can we just move the players around? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 Minor tweaks mostly for runs apart from 4411 as the left forward is usually an AM type. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 ATM 226 and counting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirazS Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Minor tweaks mostly for runs apart from 4411 as the left forward is usually an AM type. Ah okay cool, so you will be uploading them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelo Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 ATM 226 and counting Currently 326 in mine! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Knap Nice league table with Man City there, can I ask where you played Silva and Nasri? Cheers Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Ah cool, thnx for the naming explanation. I think the problem with me is that even though I've got a 28" monitor I have to play with a really low resolution to see anything so the tactic names roll off the edge and when I hover my mouse over them I get a different name which seems to be the same for all tactics even though I have 3 different ones loaded up at a time. Oh well, no biggie, at least I can load them as a starting tactic so I know I'm using the right one if I change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
core10 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Ah cool, thnx for the naming explanation. I think the problem with me is that even though I've got a 28" monitor I have to play with a really low resolution to see anything so the tactic names roll off the edge and when I hover my mouse over them I get a different name which seems to be the same for all tactics even though I have 3 different ones loaded up at a time. Oh well, no biggie, at least I can load them as a starting tactic so I know I'm using the right one if I change. You could always simply save the tactic in-game with whatever title you see fit that's shorter than the default tactic title. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 On the wing and rotated with Johnson (Tends to play very well) sometimes Tevez etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Knap Is it possible to get as much success as you have had with your 108pts tactic using a 4231 formation? Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 Progress report for 4231 with League Cup in bag, but I find it a weaker formation compared to 442. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Is there anything that you have noticed that makes it less effective than a 442? Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 This upsets me......alot BTW Knap, what match prep did you use with city? or did you just leave it as assistant? If this is the case, what did your assistant set it as? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilanoBaros Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 LOL! go Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swedishchef_uk Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Good grief, this thread is an orgy of tactics! Knap - have you thought about opening a fresh thread per formation? It might make discussions easier to follow without the often asked "which version is that?" It's been a very interesting thread to read, but perhaps some separation might give some of these tactics the credit they deserve? I do have a few questions. After 5 seasons or so, I have been promoted from the third to the first division in Germany, often using Mr Hough's tactics. However, I would really like something that has two wingers (not inside forwards ideally) and two strikers. This generally leaves me with a top heavy 4-2-4 (not sure this is wise in my first season in the top league) or a 4-4-2. I tend to have many AMR/L's but not MR/L's, but I think I'd like a long-term game with a stable and effective 4-4-2 until I have built my squad and can afford some better players. This thread has at least four 4-4-2's now I think - which do you think would suit my situation more? I'm on the latest patch. German teams often seem to employ an AMC with one or two strikers - so my one concern is the gap in what would be the DMC position. What would you advise? I downloaded what I think was your second one, but you have released two more since then. I'm toying with FUSS's one as well - where do you think your differences lie? Many thanks Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 knap Did you finish your season with your 4231 tactic? If so, how did you do? Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 11, 2012 Author Share Posted April 11, 2012 Last time I tried a new thread it was closed so now I don't bother. The latest 442 uses shorter passing and I use Silva and Nasri at ML/R so not usually a problem having AML/R. With the game missing the major tactic idea of a defensive and attacking shape using arrows, 4231 and 4222 are too open. The original arrow system was a lot more flexible with regard to player positions. Still need to finish 4231 system and will look at 4222 next, but with these I would consider using a defensive 451/4141 tactic for difficult games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 knap Thanks for the info. Looking forward to your 4231 tactic to use with Bayern Munich, goodluck with it Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Apart from that Liverpool result, which really made me questioned the strength of this tactic against top teams, this tactic has been awesome and destroying everything! I'm going to play out my next four league games- man city, arsenal, chelsea and everton- which will help me decide whether this tactic really can perform against top teams and, ultimately, whether or not i continue to use this tactic for the rest of my career save. Wish me luck! I will post more Screenshots when i am done (hopefully promoting the tactic for 4 excellent results ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Jimmy What tactic are you using? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Knaps' latest 442. I think its the 108 point one with City! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Looking forward to seeing your results against the big guns. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilanoBaros Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Yea let us know how you get on against the big teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Right, here are the results since the loss against Liverpool! United V Kobenhavn (Away) Don't be put off by this result. I had qualified from my group by the 3rd game so the draw was simply a matter of complacency. Just to reassure you, we made 6 cccs to their 1 ( and 6 half chances to their 2). So this game was a bit of an anomaly! United v City (Away) Despite managing to get a draw here, I really felt like I deserved to lose this game. I think it has a lot to do with the narrow 4-2-3-1 formation they play which is almost at times "un-defendable". The ccc score was 6-4 in their favour, and conceding 6 clear cut chances ( even away from home against a good team) with a top class defence is kind of disappointing tbh. However, it is a testimony to the attacking prowess of this tactic that I was able to create 4 clear chances against them. United v Chelsea (Home) All teams are usually stronger at home, and this tactic helped continue that trend. I completely outplayed Chelsea, creating 10 cccs to their 1. Rooney was absolutely on fire with 3 goals and 3 assists which Hernandez got on the end of to secure his own hatrick. United v Arsenal (Away) Luckily Rooney was on fire again and scored a hatrick again! By no stretch of the imagination was I outplayed by Arsenal but we didn't play like we wanted to win the match either. CCC Score 2:2. I began to notice that away from home against big teams, something was just no clicking! United v Everton (Home) This game confirmed my suspicions of the tactic's performance away against big teams as I was instantly back to winning form at home against Everton. Rooney continued his fine form with 5 goals (Yes that's 12 goals in 4 games). We were ruthless in that game with 5 cccs to Everton's 0! Conclusion This is a great tactic with plenty of attacking threat. I'm literally tapping space bar, reading a few news items and doing the occasional team meeting and private chat, and the tactic just keeps winning games for me. Not only are we winning games but by huge score lines. (see the league table below) My only concern is away from home against the likes of arsenal and city, this tactic gets dominated or under performs. What I'm going to do is switch my match prep to defensive positioning for these tough away games ( I have one coming up against Liverpool so I will try it then) and see if that can keep me from losing or drawing any matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelo Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Right, here are the results since the loss against Liverpool! Jimmy, please post your final league table when you finish the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 11, 2012 Author Share Posted April 11, 2012 Sometimes the team does not turn up for away games but hopefully the 451 can help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Knap How did your season go with the 4231? Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Sometimes the team does not turn up for away games but hopefully the 451 can help. Ah Knap, are you perhaps suggesting that I use the 451 for tough away games? Is it this tactic " 451 P104F106A17Quad tactic for 12.2.2 " from post 716? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 11, 2012 Author Share Posted April 11, 2012 That 451 is TC based but worth a try. I aslo have a 451 based on the 442 re settings. I prefer not to change and held Barca away but if it looks like going pear shaped or just wish to consolidate a result a 451 has added defensive cover. Only just got in, so no games played today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 That 451 is TC based but worth a try. I aslo have a 451 based on the 442 re settings. I prefer not to change and held Barca away but if it looks like going pear shaped or just wish to consolidate a result a 451 has added defensive cover.Only just got in, so no games played today. Okay Where can I find the 451 based on the 442 settings? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 knap Is your 4231 based on your 108pts 442? Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 11, 2012 Author Share Posted April 11, 2012 Just played Lpool away with more open 4222 so I doubt tactical more likely AI are hyped up. Still testing the 451 but try the Quad as a very solid tactic. The 108pts 442 is the basis of 4231,451 and 4222. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 how are you finding the more attacking wingers and the AMC play in your 4231? Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 11, 2012 Author Share Posted April 11, 2012 Injury crisis at AMC, same as in my Spurs save, and MC not having a large enough squad left the first team stretched and ended up losing Cup Final. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 11, 2012 Author Share Posted April 11, 2012 4231 101Pts tactic http://www.mediafire.com/?10c7eq97qaeoe4z Uploaded with ImageShack.us Barca Game Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 11, 2012 Author Share Posted April 11, 2012 Typical SUS tactic to close out game http://www.mediafire.com/?ij2y7l6m7jyvd3q Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 11, 2012 Author Share Posted April 11, 2012 Are they all from corners as there should be a few from freekicks? I don't set up corner or free kick takers only manually throw ins to avoid RBs taking left sided throw ins. From last MC season Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Using your new 4231 now with Bayern Munich and here is my first result: All in all a good result, I would of liked it if the opposition didn't have so many chances and CCC but hopefully that will improve as the team gets used to it. I thought the wingers and AMC play very well together with alot of options for passes between them, the lone striker didn't have the best of games, how much goals did your striker score in the season with this knap? Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 11, 2012 Author Share Posted April 11, 2012 Aguero scored 50+ both as ST and AMC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Cheers knap. My next game is against St Pauli in the second division, will get a screenshot up once I've played it, but I'm hoping to demolish them! Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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