llama3 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Is there a way to stop my Goalkeeper from taking free kicks outside of his box? Selected a specific taker? Depending on position of the free kick the Goalkeeper is a logical selection choice. Without opening a new thread, I'll try to get help here. That's the setup. The main problem I immediately noticed is right from the goal-kick. I set my GK to distribute to defenders. He does so, and soon as the ball gets to one of the CDs, the wingbacks storm forward to about half line. Regista drops deeper and then him and CDs pass to each other until one of them hoofs it up front, which usually results in lost possession. There is a huge gap between the defensive line and 4 players who stood around half line - wingbacks and both CMs. Having "hold position" on wingbacks doesn't help, they still behave the same. Changing the DM to a role which doesn't drop back, like DM on support or defend, usually leaves him marked and then the result is the same; CDs pass to each other with no other passing option and then the hoofing ensues again. What to do? How to move the ball up field reliably? Yes, didn't help. It's mainly because the wingbacks immediately rush to the half line and remove themselves as passing option. Well if they are getting too ahead of play then what does logic tell you to do? Either make them support or move them back to FB positions and keep the role so they stay deeper. You've gave them attacking roles so when you get possession they are being aggressive in their approach and looking to move forward. So if that's not what you want then use either of those options.You have to remember you use a regista which is a playmaker so he's more inclined to see the ball and pass it around. It could be a case that the playmaker you use doesn't have great decisions, creativity or teamwork to pick them out early enough if that's the case then he's probably staying on the ball longer than is needed as he can't see all available options and because of how you attack the regista may not be the role you need. What Cleon said. Maybe vary a Support duty and an Attack duty on each wing back role? You can drop them into Defend Strata instead too so they start from deeper positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirajzl Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Well if they are getting too ahead of play then what does logic tell you to do? Either make them support or move them back to FB positions and keep the role so they stay deeper. You've gave them attacking roles so when you get possession they are being aggressive in their approach and looking to move forward. So if that's not what you want then use either of those options.You have to remember you use a regista which is a playmaker so he's more inclined to see the ball and pass it around. It could be a case that the playmaker you use doesn't have great decisions, creativity or teamwork to pick them out early enough if that's the case then he's probably staying on the ball longer than is needed as he can't see all available options and because of how you attack the regista may not be the role you need. I've tried it, that's the thing. I've tried them as CWB and WB on attack and on support, on fullback positions and wingback positions. It just doesn't change a thing with the way they behave; once the GK passes to a defender, they both storm to the half line and stand there. It's moment like this where I'm really put off FM, I see what's the tactical problem, but have no idea how to solve it and everything I try doesn't change a thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Do you have a good ball playing defender that could help play the ball in ahead of the Wing Backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirajzl Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Do you have a good ball playing defender that could help play the ball in ahead of the Wing Backs. No, I don't. My idea with this tactic is that the wingbacks don't storm forward until we move the ball out of defence. I wanted them to be involved in the initial build-up and then provide forward runs. This way they're both just waiting alongside central mids for the ball to get to them which is the opposite of what I want from them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Can you open up your own thread detailing your instructions, so we can give more in-depth help please? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirajzl Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Can you open up your own thread detailing your instructions, so we can give more in-depth help please? Thanks Done, thanks in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassSix Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 hey there, is there a way to see what tactical set up one used in the previews match. just opened a save and i forgot which adjustments i made to my tactic before the last game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkers Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 do do you defend? its impossible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 do do you defend? its impossible What do do you mean? Defending well is perfectly possibly and I've had several PL seasons with less than 0.5 goals conceded per match. If you can demonstrate the system(s) you use, then we can help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkers Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 What do do you mean? Defending well is perfectly possibly and I've had several PL seasons with less than 0.5 goals conceded per match. If you can demonstrate the system(s) you use, then we can help. ha ha im just having a meltdown in a Gladbach save. Im starting over once more to see if i can get it going. will get some screens up for suggested settings as ive spent an extraordinary amount of hours trying to get it right this week with no joy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Been looking at defensive set ups as have started a new game with a few tweaks to the editor and came across the Nike defence. Not sure it's still a viable option in FM14 but I have a question on it. The set up I looked at is this : FB A..........CD X...........LD C...........FB D In a friendly I tried this in 451 (433) with a DLP D just in front and it seemed to work quite well. However looking at it would a stopper behind an attacking full back be a dangerous move? In some ways I am thinking a covering CD would be better although you could argue that they would then be too far apart. So would this potentially work? FB A..........LD or CD C...........LD or CD X or D...........FB D or S Also would a DLP D or an AM be better in front? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 The idea of a Stopper behind a more advanced wing back is that he helps to close the space the wing back leaves. By whacking a Cover CD there, it adds to the gap and with the way that passes into that channel work in FM14 go, that would be pretty dangerous. The DLP / AM conundrum is entirely down to what you want the player to do. A tactic is all about how combinations of players work together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 The idea of a Stopper behind a more advanced wing back is that he helps to close the space the wing back leaves.By whacking a Cover CD there, it adds to the gap and with the way that passes into that channel work in FM14 go, that would be pretty dangerous. The DLP / AM conundrum is entirely down to what you want the player to do. A tactic is all about how combinations of players work together. Must confess the goal I conceded came from down the left hand side. I half thought a cover CB could sweep up whereas if a stopper misses the ball the gap is there anyway behind the stopper. Swings and roundabouts I guess. Wondering how a half back would perform in the DM slot. If the Stopper engages to cover the FB/WB A would the Half Back slot back to cover the Stopper? Not sure if the ME is that advanced as yet.... It's the overpowered diagonal balls that are the biggest headache IMO. Had some success with a defensive strategy with full backs closing down less but it wasn't perfect. Ideally I would love to get the forward players pressing high but the defensive unit just sitting but it's tough to do I find. Even with "hassle opponents" and "close down more" pressing is still very passive in the ME. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassSix Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 hey there,is there a way to see what tactical set up one used in the previews match. just opened a save and i forgot which adjustments i made to my tactic before the last game. does anyone know?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 None that I know of. What works in 1 match doesn't automatically work for the next match though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassSix Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 yea i know but i used to always tweek my tactic to fit the opposition formation, and after vacation i did forget the successfull tweeks i made and now i want to check how did i face a 4-4-2 for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Making notes somewhere helps quite a few people. Might help you remember more in future possibly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartex55 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Is passing style adjusting when I change mentality? If it is then why familiarity of it is not dropping? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Your passing style changes by inverting, so on a more offensive system your attackers pass more direct, they pass shorter on a more defensive strategy. This is inverted for defenders. The instruction is same, it is just inverted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevenwonderboy Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I've got a question regarding players overall happiness during training. If the players are unhappy with their training schedule will that have some sort of impact on their training? Like slower development progress etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I've got a question regarding players overall happiness during training.If the players are unhappy with their training schedule will that have some sort of impact on their training? Like slower development progress etc. No not really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Willenté Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Forgive me if this question has been asked before, but I couldn't find it after a quick glance through. Does anyone know if there is a way of finding out training performances for the whole squad on one page? So you can compare them. On the home page, the Training Performance widget is perfect, but it only shows the top 5/6 players. Is there anyway of seeing them all in a list? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamonlyoneGuy Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 What does the Attacking Midfielder role mean? I'm confused about how the role works; is it similar to a Center Midfielder role, only higher up the pitch? Additionally will the CMs still run into the space in and around the opponents box, or will it stay back and the CMa does this? Thanks in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOG Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 What does the Attacking Midfielder role mean? I'm confused about how the role works; is it similar to a Center Midfielder role, only higher up the pitch? Additionally will the CMs still run into the space in and around the opponents box, or will it stay back and the CMa does this? Thanks in advance. In defence, an Attacking Midfielder positions himself between the midfield line and the forward line. His responsibilities there are to pressure the opposition's holding midfielders and offer a close outlet for a forward pass when deeper players win possession. His behaviour in attack will largely be determined by the role and duty given. In attack, Central Midfielders on a support or attack duty will move into advanced positions as Attacking Midfielders do, though their specific on and off the ball behaviours will be determined by role. The Central Midfielder (Support) and Attacking Midfielder (Support) are fairly similar while the Attacking Midfielder (Attack) has a greater tendency to dribble than a Central Midfielder (Attack). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
77caddie Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Forgive me if this question has been asked before, but I couldn't find it after a quick glance through.Does anyone know if there is a way of finding out training performances for the whole squad on one page? So you can compare them. On the home page, the Training Performance widget is perfect, but it only shows the top 5/6 players. Is there anyway of seeing them all in a list? It sounds like: Training -> Individual is what you're looking for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLH Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 In defence, an Attacking Midfielder positions himself between the midfield line and the forward line. His responsibilities there are to pressure the opposition's holding midfielders and offer a close outlet for a forward pass when deeper players win possession. His behaviour in attack will largely be determined by the role and duty given.In attack, Central Midfielders on a support or attack duty will move into advanced positions as Attacking Midfielders do, though their specific on and off the ball behaviours will be determined by role. The Central Midfielder (Support) and Attacking Midfielder (Support) are fairly similar while the Attacking Midfielder (Attack) has a greater tendency to dribble than a Central Midfielder (Attack). If I'm not mistaken Iam is asking what the roles do not the position so AM attack not Adv PM or Treq and CM Supp/Att not DPL or B2B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOG Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 If I'm not mistaken Iam is asking what the roles do not the position so AM attack not Adv PM or Treq and CM Supp/Att not DPL or B2B Ah, ok. In that case, the generic Attacking Midfielder and Central Midfielder roles are versatile roles that are supposed to do a bit of everything while the more specialised roles are intended to carry out more specific tasks. The main thing that distinguishes the generic roles from the specialist playmaker roles are a greater tendency to shoot, a slightly lower level of creative freedom and the fact that their teammates won't prioritise funneling the ball to them in build-up. Basically, you would want to use the generic roles when you want creative and goal-scoring responsibilities spread more equally throughout the team as opposed to having a more strictly structured build-up pattern where one player is expected to almost always be the playmaker and another player is expected to almost always be the target in the box. Going forward, both generic roles are fairly similar to one another, though as noted above, the AM-a has a greater tendency to dribble and the Attacking Midfielder will generally positioned further up the pitch when the ball is won. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassSix Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 i read that in fm12 it is possible to export custom highlights, is this feature still available in fm14 or can i just upload goals in this version? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 i read that in fm12 it is possible to export custom highlights, is this feature still available in fm14 or can i just upload goals in this version? You can do both still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassSix Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 ok i just found the way, its by recording when viewing highlights right? but now i can't export or upload any clips. is there anything i have to set up in the preferences to do so? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 You have to link your Youtube account in the preferences of FM to be able to upload it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassSix Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 ok sorry to keep this going but it keeps telling me that its unable to log in due to incorrect login data, but that is not true. im starting to feel a bit stupid at this point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 ok sorry to keep this going but it keeps telling me that its unable to log in due to incorrect login data, but that is not true. im starting to feel a bit stupid at this point You'd be best getting help in the General Discussion section of the forums as this is the tactics and training section so all threads in this part are for those topics. In the General Discussion section of the forums you'll get more specific help from those more in the know about your issues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassSix Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 ok thanks, ill give it a try Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkers Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 i know it takes teams a while to become familiar with new tactics. if say a team has a massive influx of new players does it take time for them to gel together or is it a case of once they are fully comfortable with the tactic that's that? where can i find out my teams "chemistry"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamillePunk Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 i know it takes teams a while to become familiar with new tactics.if say a team has a massive influx of new players does it take time for them to gel together or is it a case of once they are fully comfortable with the tactic that's that? where can i find out my teams "chemistry"? Go to your staff page and select your assistant coach, and go to "Reports" and then "Pep Talk Feedback" and he'll tell you the team's current level of understanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyyak Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 what instructions can be given to wide midfielders to make them more like inside forwards, of the support and attack variety? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOG Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 For attack duty: "Cut Inside," "Cross Less" For support duty: "Cut Inside," "Cross Less," "Shoot Less" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrodude09 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Is it just me who finds the 'inside forward' role one of the most frustrating? He acts more like an inverted winger rather than what I actually imagine. Time & time again, I see my inside forward running towards the byline rather than coming inside and linking up with my forward & central midfielders. I've actually found at times that a Winger - Attack does what I want better & that shouldn't be the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOG Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 There's not really an official definition of "Inside Forward," so it's up for debate. Though personally, I agree with you, and I would like to see two distinct roles (or three, if you want an inside midfielder for MLR as well) with different positioning in the early phases of build-up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrodude09 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I could be very wrong with my thinking here but, I was just thinking about a thread I read about maybe trying unusual things to get what you want & this lead me to this.. Set up in a 4-3-3 (sort of) GK: Sweeper Keeper - Support DR: Wing Back - Support CB: Central Defender - Defend CB: Central Defender - Defend DL: Complete Wing Back - Attack DM: Defensive Midfielder - Defend CM: Deep Lying Playmaker - Support CM: Advanced Playmaker - Attack AMR: Winger - Attack STC: Deep Lying Forward - Support STCL: Advanced Forward - Attack* *The idea being that the advanced forward is set to man mark the oppositions full back in order to draw him wide. Do you think this could work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOG Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Yes, it can work, though the problem with using man marking to create interpositional roles like this is is that you're effectively a man down in terms of your zonal defence (and this applies to people who use this method to create interiores and "the Lahm role" as well). The "wide" forward will be dragged out too wide by the opposing fullback and not tuck in appropriately when the man he's marking is on the weak side of the pitch. I don't know how much this will really matter for you and the style you're looking to implement here, but IRL, this would undermine one of the principle advantages of a zonal 4-3-3 (that being, its ability to pressure the back line). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldatino Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I would need your help in adjusting my corner-defending settings as I concede far too many goals that way. All comment and tips are really appreciated! I play 3-5-2 (3-3-2-2 actually) My 3 defenders are set to man-mark. One wing-back is on near post, the other is set to defend the 6-yard box. DMC and one of the MC are set to "go back". The other MC is at the edge of area. One of strikers closes down the corner, the other is staying forward. Majority of the goals I concede is a cross on near post and an unmarked/badly marked player scores. Thank you in advance guys! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Near post corners remain too effective in FM14, but I'm lazy and don't change the default settings and don't get too worried by the number of goals we concede from corners. How many per season would you say you are conceding? What are the defensive attributes of the wingback(s) who pick up the near post? Wingbacks are often relagtively short and more about mobility than physicality. Perhaps they are just being beaten to the ball by physically imposing AI players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Drundrige Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Is it just me who finds the 'inside forward' role one of the most frustrating? He acts more like an inverted winger rather than what I actually imagine. Time & time again, I see my inside forward running towards the byline rather than coming inside and linking up with my forward & central midfielders. I've actually found at times that a Winger - Attack does what I want better & that shouldn't be the case. Does your inside-fwd prefer the opposite foot to the wing he's on? I play an IF(S) in the AML position and when it's James Rodriguez (for example) he will often go wide on to his left foot yes but his heatmap tends to reflect a more central overall position. If I play Oxlade-Chamberlain there instead however he noticeably cuts infield and dribbles inside which I assume is his right-footedness taking over... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernandovalente Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I would need your help in adjusting my corner-defending settings as I concede far too many goals that way. All comment and tips are really appreciated!I play 3-5-2 (3-3-2-2 actually) My 3 defenders are set to man-mark. One wing-back is on near post, the other is set to defend the 6-yard box. DMC and one of the MC are set to "go back". The other MC is at the edge of area. One of strikers closes down the corner, the other is staying forward. Majority of the goals I concede is a cross on near post and an unmarked/badly marked player scores. Thank you in advance guys! For defending corners I just use two players at the posts and the rest zonal marking, no man marking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldatino Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 For defending corners I just use two players at the posts and the rest zonal marking, no man marking. Thank you for the idea, I will consider this as a possibility. Do they deal with the near post corners well like this? Near post corners remain too effective in FM14, but I'm lazy and don't change the default settings and don't get too worried by the number of goals we concede from corners.How many per season would you say you are conceding? What are the defensive attributes of the wingback(s) who pick up the near post? Wingbacks are often relagtively short and more about mobility than physicality. Perhaps they are just being beaten to the ball by physically imposing AI players? Unfortunatelly it's quite a problem for me, I've briefly looked up the numbers of the season, I have conceded in total 36 goals, 16 out of them were resulting after corners. I will check out the wing-backs in question later, that sounds like a possibility. In that case you'd say to replace them with someone physically stronger? Could that be also striker, who is tall and strong, yet naturally quite weak in marking? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernandovalente Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Thank you for the idea, I will consider this as a possibility. Do they deal with the near post corners well like this?Unfortunatelly it's quite a problem for me, I've briefly looked up the numbers of the season, I have conceded in total 36 goals, 16 out of them were resulting after corners. I will check out the wing-backs in question later, that sounds like a possibility. In that case you'd say to replace them with someone physically stronger? Could that be also striker, who is tall and strong, yet naturally quite weak in marking? They deal with (almost) everything but obviously you will always suffer some goal from a corner. Look, if you instruct your player to man-mark you are restricting your player to do so. What if he fails that specific instruction ? Better if players are set to zonal marking, you are giving them more options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldatino Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 They deal with (almost) everything but obviously you will always suffer some goal from a corner. Look, if you instruct your player to man-mark you are restricting your player to do so. What if he fails that specific instruction ? Better if players are set to zonal marking, you are giving them more options. You've got good points! :-) I'm thinking to try one player each post, one to close down the corner, other one to stay at the edge of area, and a fast striker remaining forward. Remaining 5 players to defend in zone. What do you think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernandovalente Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 You've got good points! :-) I'm thinking to try one player each post, one to close down the corner, other one to stay at the edge of area, and a fast striker remaining forward. Remaining 5 players to defend in zone. What do you think? I think that's fine :-) now, don't you go and think that from that set up you won't suffer any more goals from corners... you will, it's just something called football :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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