carlowsaint19 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Just wondering how you guys approach playing Guardiola's Barca team. In second season with Liverpool and have Barca in the champions league group stage and need a win at home to get through and would love some tactical advice especially after I was destroyed in the Nou Camp:mad:. Thanks in advance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JojoVillaHursty Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Normally I go with 5 in defence and go attacking, with man marking aswell and only 1 striker, so you can flood defence and midfield but are also putting on the pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipknot67 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I'd play rigid, contain 5-4-1. Deep d line, narrow width and very slow tempo with direct passing, then I'd cross my fingers and hope to keep the score down to single figures. (I'm managing Celtic btw, which is why I'd play this way). As Liverpool I'd probably try something like fluid counter, direct passing closing down often, slightly narrow slow tempo and deep d line in whatever formation suits your team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stemlfc Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Keeping Messi off his favoured left foot and pushing their wingers down the flanks, allowing them to cross seems to work for me. In four seasons with Inter Milan they've yet to score against me. I find them easy to stifle. Madrid are a different proposition though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cemendur88 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I am going to disagree with the posters above who advocate a very defensive approach, and suggest an attacking one. I beat Barca 3-2 at the Nou Camp using this tactic: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/300872-Being-Bielsa-but-a-bit-less-loco-%28hopefully%29! To me sitting back and playing with lots of defenders and sitting deep is just inviting Barca to play exactly how they want as they will easily dominate possession and be able to create chances. Sitting back will also not put pressure on their excellent players who will use the time you give them to great effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilCuoreDiRoma Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Roma 3 Barca 1 Roma 3 Barca 1 Roma 2 Barca 1 Roma 3 Barca 0 how i do it: - counter/fluid/disclipilned - deep defensive line, slow tempo, narrow width, lots of pressing, direct passing, focus passing down the sides - 4-5-1 formation with wingbacks/att, anchorman, 2 box2box, 2 insideforwards and 1 DLF/supp - set both wingbacks to attacking, toggle "Look for Overlap", set your playmaker to either one of your fullbacks. don't use a targetman - play a centerback as an anchor man EVEN if he's out of position (below, Bovo is red as a DM). have your anchor man PLAYER MARK whoever is at AMC, whether it's Iniesta/Messi/Cesc or other. don't need to player mark anyone else in all 4 games, barca completed A LOT more passes than me. but possession isn't that simple. you gotta have possession in the right places to win. Barcelona don't play with any wingers, therefore they have no one to close down my fullbacks/wingbacks, which is why i have them as my playmaker during these games this not only works against Barca, but against any other "strong" team that plays a narrow 4-1-2-1-2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmi88 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I always try to outscore them, always leads to very fascinating games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebetu Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Roma 3 Barca 1Roma 3 Barca 1 Roma 2 Barca 1 Roma 3 Barca 0 how i do it: - counter/fluid/disclipilned - deep defensive line, slow tempo, narrow width, lots of pressing, direct passing, focus passing down the sides - 4-5-1 formation with wingbacks/att, anchorman, 2 box2box, 2 insideforwards and 1 DLF/supp - set both wingbacks to attacking, toggle "Look for Overlap", set your playmaker to either one of your fullbacks. don't use a targetman - play a centerback as an anchor man EVEN if he's out of position (below, Bovo is red as a DM). have your anchor man PLAYER MARK whoever is at AMC, whether it's Iniesta/Messi/Cesc or other. don't need to player mark anyone else in all 4 games, barca completed A LOT more passes than me. but possession isn't that simple. you gotta have possession in the right places to win. Barcelona don't play with any wingers, therefore they have no one to close down my fullbacks/wingbacks, which is why i have them as my playmaker during these games this not only works against Barca, but against any other "strong" team that plays a narrow 4-1-2-1-2 Does this tactic work well against 451 also or just against 433? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turneep Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Does this tactic work well against 451 also or just against 433? Looks like it would only work with teams playing down the middle. Any wingers will probably catch your wing backs out of position. I usually play attacking football against barcelona, focusing down the wings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebetu Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Looks like it would only work with teams playing down the middle. Any wingers will probably catch your wing backs out of position.I usually play attacking football against barcelona, focusing down the wings. It depends...if wingers in position AML/AMR are with atacking mentality than they wont track back all the flank leaving huge gap that can be exploited by fullbacks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I normally beat them at home, but going to their place I get totally destoryed. Messi and Villa especially take me apart. I have tried defensive and attacking tactics, just hasn't worked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilCuoreDiRoma Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Does this tactic work well against 451 also or just against 433? it would just be a stalemate against 4-5-1 for me it works best when the opposition is using a diamond formation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoWalcott89 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I use a similar tactic to ilCuoreDiRoma, with a DM keeping midfield tight while having the wingers and solid striker (Kolbeinn Sigþórsson: buy him!) and they have no chance. Have beaten them twice this season like that with PSG in the Super Cup and CL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilCuoreDiRoma Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 my DM is actually a DC pushed into midfield to man mark messi kind of like Pepe for Madrid. it works better in FM than IRL lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poola21 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 in my game Liverpool managed by the AI has defeated barca 2 times 4-1 and 4-0 with 4-4-2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlowsaint19 Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 Thanks for all the advice guys finally got around to playing against the yesterday and got a 3-2 win. May have been helped by messi being injured. I started off using a 541 formation but I clearly set it up badly and was down 1-0 after 10 mins. changed it to a counter 451 and hit exploit flanks and it worked out very well for me.Sadly I was Knocked out in the semis then by Man city who also beat me in both the carling and fa cup finals! Hate Mancini! If any wants to lend me a small bit more advice on how to beat his 4-2-3(all centre att midfielders)-1 Ill be eternally greatful:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilCuoreDiRoma Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 i have never played against Man City in FM before... i will play against them soon though sometime next week i'll make a thread if i do something tactically extraordinary lol. i'm still 10 or so fixtures away so i haven't really put much thought into it yet. one can never predict injuries or player forum i'm playing as Roma, and i'll be facing Man City in the 2014 CL final Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebetu Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I think thoughest formation to be broke is 451 of Arsenal.When i win against them its more as luck or i outscore them with v atacking tactic,other than that nothing seems to work against them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilCuoreDiRoma Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 when i was everton in FM11, i use sheer force to beat arsenal i used rodwell/vukojevic/fellaini in midfield and had them tackle the **** out of arsenal. not pretty but it's still a valid tactic then i have my team pump long balls to cahill my lone striker, with baines (AML) and coleman (AMR) playing off them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 depends where i am playing them. hard to say exactly, but i try and stop them getting forward 4-5-1 works Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niebiescy Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 I have always found Barca pretty easy to beat on FM compared to the top English teams. Play with a back 4 with the FBs supporting and then a DMC/Anchor man infront of them and then a BWM and DLP in centre mid. Infront of them have two wingers and a poacher. Play on the counter with the team playing wide to exploit their attacking FBs. You should be able to beat them comfortably at home and stay within a goal away from home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobBRFC Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Thanks for all the advice guys finally got around to playing against the yesterday and got a 3-2 win. May have been helped by messi being injured. I started off using a 541 formation but I clearly set it up badly and was down 1-0 after 10 mins. changed it to a counter 451 and hit exploit flanks and it worked out very well for me.Sadly I was Knocked out in the semis then by Man city who also beat me in both the carling and fa cup finals! Hate Mancini! If any wants to lend me a small bit more advice on how to beat his 4-2-3(all centre att midfielders)-1 Ill be eternally greatful:) http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/300661-How-Do-I-Beat-Them-A-Guide-to-Match-Preparation My thread covering the 4-2-3-1 also covers the flat 4-5-1 and if anyone else would like to add anything in would be very grateful EDIT: If you have any questions comment in that thread and ill get back to you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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