mag man Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Unless we had a manager who is prepared to make Lukaku and Ba the first two strikers and then sign a squad backup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcoleman1 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Also what is everyone's view on the Malouda situation? Is he in the wrong? Is it just us? I think it's 50/50 tbh. What we are doing to him is pretty unfair, especially how he has been banished to the u21s and we could have done with him when we were struggling for wingers. However it seems as though the club made it clear that he was free to go, even for a modest fee but he didn't find a new club, even in January. Obviously there are things going on we won't know about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 For me Malouda has been treated poorly by the club in an attempt to force him out. He would have offered us some rotation in either the middle or out wide and it's crazy to cast him aside when we have such a small squad. I was watching old highlights recently and there are some times Malouda was just really good for us. IMO a better option on the left wing than Bertrand or Marin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Is purely us that are in the wrong. If we didn't want him at the club then either cancel his contract or don't give him a long contract in the first place. Terrible behaviour by the club sticking him in the u21's, especially as he could be very useful still when we are playing Bertrand on the wing in some games and have a light squad anyway. As for Lukaku, I don't want him coming back yet, the club is a mess and we will only destroy his confidence making him sit on the bench after we've paid £30m for a new striker in the Summer. If I was him I'd be trying to stay as far away as possible, same with any other youth prospect. Not until we get our **** sorted and are what I'd call "stable", which could take a while. Basically appreciate what Roman's done, but he is turning people off the club with the way he is so hands on with regards to managers and signings. Basically the club is a mess, young players know they won't get a proper chance, the "atmosphere" around the club is awful, the way we go pay £20m+ on players instead of giving some youth players a chance is scandalous. Really puts me off the club at points. Did we really need Marin or was there a youth player who could have got his chance? What was the point of that signing? (and yeah I realise he was "cheap", still £8m wasted and a few youth players upset no doubt). I realise having a team full of young players would be bad, but there has to be a balance between signing backups and giving youth a chance. I mean people want Falcao for £50m but is he really worth it when that means Lukaku gets 0 chance for the next 5 years? We need midfielders in the SUmmer, will this mean McEachran gets a chance or do we go and buy Leon Britton for £10m? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted February 12, 2013 Author Administrators Share Posted February 12, 2013 Kakuta's better than Marin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Was Marin a free? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Around €8m I remember reading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted February 12, 2013 Author Administrators Share Posted February 12, 2013 In that ballpark yeah. And to clarify on Kakuta, he'd offer the same as Marin now and Marin at his best but would've been cheaper, homegrown eligible and slightly more...committed, if you will, as a player who's come through the academy tends to be. He's been really good for Vitesse the last three months and if you're going to have fringe players/rotation, it's pointless spending money on them when there's a neglible difference between that and an U21 player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I have always thought Jack Cork would have been a really solid squad player and instead we signed average players in his position let them go and are now short. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Malouda's treatment has been nothing short of disgraceful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted February 12, 2013 Author Administrators Share Posted February 12, 2013 And you can look at a load of recent transfer activity and question why we've spent money to move sideways on them. Oriol Romeu - Jack Cork Lucas Piazon - Fabio Borini Marko Marin - Gael Kakuta Raul Meireles - Nemanja Matic Yossi Benayoun - Gokhan Tore I've not just picked five random young players there either, I've picked five who have proven themselves to be very capable at very good levels of football. When you throw in that the likes of Stoch, Cummings, Sinclair, Di Santo and Mancienne (plus Bridcutt, Mellis etc in the second tier) have all done that as well in the last few years and we're in a position where the manager is crying about a small squad, I struggle to have any sympathy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 We also have plenty of players currently out on loan (in the top flight) who could have contributed towards a healthy squad size albeit reducing their playing time and development. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted February 12, 2013 Author Administrators Share Posted February 12, 2013 Courtois, De Bruyne, Lukaku, Omeruo and McEachran/Chalobah could all have contributed now and probably kept Di Matteo in his job. Hell, keeping Meireles around would've helped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Who decides on the squad and which players are sent out on loan? It seems so obvious where the deficiencies are and how to remedy them with players we already own. Poor squad management also cost Ancelotti his job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted February 12, 2013 Author Administrators Share Posted February 12, 2013 Emenalo/Forde/the football board in general which has influences from Buck and Tenenbaum (who basically ensures that Abramovich's money is being spent sensibly, chortle). It's an overall agreed decision but I dunno who holds the most influence in the room. I'd hedge a bet it's Emenalo but then it doesn't really fit in with his apparent plan to sign everyone in the world. Ancelotti's demise was caused directly by Arnesen; he basically said for 10-11 'look, I've got you these kids (Kakuta, Bruma, PvA, Josh, Matic and Borini), use them and don't buy anyone'. Problem with that is the ideal environment to use those players is in a squad which was as big as it was in 09-10, but out went Ballack ( ), Joe Cole, Deco, Sinclair, Carvalho, and Matic in January, and they **** the bed and panicked in January with Luiz and Torres, defeating the purpose and serving only to attempt to boost Arnesen's reputation through the desired enhancement of the team through the kids he signed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 What do you think will happen in the summer? There are clear failings from the football board in creating a balanced squad/club and these won't be remedied by changing the manager every six months. I fear we are just going to continue to see a cycle of managers coming in/out, having short term success before getting the chop after a poor run. Youngsters won't want to join us as we don't give them any opportunities and general instability around the club will affect recruiting new staff. Is Mourinho (not going to happen ) powerful enough to come in and sort things out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I am generally in favour of a sporting director (or whatever they want to be called) overseeing the make-up of the squad, philosophy, etc. and recruiting coaches that would have the team work in that direction but we seem to jump from one manager style to another with each appointment. It also feels as if nobody is thinking about the long term planning and only from one season to the next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted February 12, 2013 Author Administrators Share Posted February 12, 2013 I'm fine with it, the problem at Chelsea isn't that, it's the structure of having too many cooks and no linear working relationship between SD and manager. If that doesn't work and shows no sign of working then there's no real worth in having it, and let's face it, it's cost the club big time over the last few years; Mourinho ****ed off because he had his influence diluted, Ancelotti was sacked because he was given a depleted squad, and this season has been a mess because of the same thing. It's been a relative constant under Abramovich so short of him changing (and he'd only do that if he wanted Mourinho back because Mourinho would likely demand it) I guess we're just gonna have to cross our fingers that things change with regards the squad and the SD/manager relationship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bracken Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Phil, do you see any realistic possibility of Abramovich changing his stance and wanting Mourinho back enough to give him full control? I wish it would happen but can't see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted February 12, 2013 Author Administrators Share Posted February 12, 2013 Possibly. He's prone to those sort of 'swing' decisions and splash moves aimed at trying to get the fans back onside, and that would be pretty much the ultimate one if he were to do so. If it's gonna happen, I expect it'd be as a result of Mourinho manipulating the situation to force his hand, so to speak, rather than RA going out and chasing him like he did Guardiola. If Mourinho puts him in that position and he's torn as to whether it's the right thing to do or not I'd expect him to err on the side of yes and give the usual confidence boost, then go from there. Trying to second guess this man is mental though. I wrote this at the weekend trying to get an idea of who he'll look at but it's just as likely to be spectacularly wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Would a sporting director such as Hiddink who has management experience (and experience of working at the club) make more sense? Or at least be involved in squad planning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted February 12, 2013 Author Administrators Share Posted February 12, 2013 Maybe, maybe not, but it's a moot point because Emenalo is trusted at Chelsea and I don't think he's going anywhere. Even if Mourinho came in I expect he's done well enough to be retained in a different capacity within the academy or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Emenalo responsible for the loans this season? Because for once we seem to mostly have sent players to good clubs with good playing time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I don't think the lack of communication by these guys really helps anything. Nobody really knows who does what and there role within the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I love that one of the related articles on that one is "Mike Basset, Chelsea Manager". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted February 12, 2013 Author Administrators Share Posted February 12, 2013 Emenalo responsible for the loans this season? Because for once we seem to mostly have sent players to good clubs with good playing time. Yeah, it's mainly his influence in getting them in across Europe. Neil Bath does more of the domestic communication as I understand it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted February 12, 2013 Author Administrators Share Posted February 12, 2013 This is the most I've posted in this thread for ****ing ages, heh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Can anyone else see Mancini getting the boot from City, Roman going after him while Jose takes over up there and turns them into the best side in Europe? Hopefully that's just me being overly pessimistic though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bracken Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Possibly. He's prone to those sort of 'swing' decisions and splash moves aimed at trying to get the fans back onside, and that would be pretty much the ultimate one if he were to do so. If it's gonna happen, I expect it'd be as a result of Mourinho manipulating the situation to force his hand, so to speak, rather than RA going out and chasing him like he did Guardiola. If Mourinho puts him in that position and he's torn as to whether it's the right thing to do or not I'd expect him to err on the side of yes and give the usual confidence boost, then go from there.Trying to second guess this man is mental though. I wrote this at the weekend trying to get an idea of who he'll look at but it's just as likely to be spectacularly wrong. Cheers Phil, I saw that piece, well written and made a lot of sense, but as you said, who really knows what Roman is thinking? Looking at the candidates you posted, none of them jumps out as a Chelsea-style manager to me. The only candidate out there right now who looks to me that he'd suit the club (Other than Jose of course) is Laudrup. I know he hasn't achieved too much, but there's just something about him that I think would fit in well here. Can anyone else see Mancini getting the boot from City, Roman going after him while Jose takes over up there and turns them into the best side in Europe? Hopefully that's just me being overly pessimistic though Sadly that's exactly what I expect to happen, he'll stay there for 5+ years and turn them into a ridiculous force, before going on to manage Portugal to a world title, while we'll be stuck with bloody Benitez. I hope I'm wrong so much. Edit: I didn't see Robo thinking we'd get Mancini, I just think Jose will go to City, I don't think we'll get Mancini, I think we're more likely to be stuck with Benitez in the longer term (or as long term as we go, so 1 season) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Mancini would be such a terrible appointment and I'd hate it, I almost expect it to happen now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Why would we want Mancini anyway? Roman would probably want more success in Europe and Mancini's got a **** poor European record with City Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man11 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Why would we want Mancini anyway? Roman would probably want more success in Europe and Mancini's got a **** poor European record with City Did terrible with Inter as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 What're the odds of Mata scoring today? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Another ****ing **** half. Yay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Oscar so ****ing good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Taken Benitez 3 months to realise that players tend to play best in their right position, think that means by mid-April he'l have realised Ba is better than Torres? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deez0r Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Lovely goal by Oscar but honestly gay porn was more appealing for the other 99% of that match... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Rafa Benitez: "It's not just Fernando scoring goals, it's about what he does for the team." ...so nothing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Taken Benitez 3 months to realise that players tend to play best in their right position, think that means by mid-April he'l have realised Ba is better than Torres?How did we lineup today? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Cech; Azpi, Cahill (v. lucky not to get sent off) Ivanovic, Bertrand; Lampard, Ramires; Marin (Benayoun), Mata, (Oscar), Hazard; Torres. Oscar scored a great goal straight after coming on but otherwise it was absolute ****. Very open at the back too, so glad Mikel is back now, he and Lamps in the middle should keep it much more solid now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Cheers. Just seen the goal, great move Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 When you throw in that the likes of Stoch, Cummings, Sinclair, Di Santo and Mancienne (plus Bridcutt, Mellis etc in the second tier) have all done that as well in the last few years and we're in a position where the manager is crying about a small squad, I struggle to have any sympathy. Cummings has only proven capable at the second tier, and even then he hasn't been amazing- he would never have played for Chelsea for more than a one-off and I think you said as much when he signed for Reading. But I do generally agree with your point, you would probably have been better served by keeping Cork, Kakuta, Borini, etc. around the squad than spending fairly large sums on players who are roughly their equals. Whether the likes of Cork and particularly Sinclair would have reached their current levels without regular football and an arm around their shoulder is up for debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcoleman1 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Pretty average game from us really. Luckily Sparta aren't that great. Still 1-0 and should see us comfortably win in the 2nd leg. Now I'm just hoping Lampard plays and scores a couple on Sunday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Good goal from Oscar, pretty happy I didn't stay up to watch that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcoleman1 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 We have to play Sparta Prague again 2 days before away at City don't we? Hopefully we can beat Brentford and them relatively comfortably and be in good form to go to the Etihad. Would be happy with a draw but if we actually stay tight at the back (and play Demba Ba) I reckon we could sneak a win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Didier just scored within 5 minutes of coming on for his Galatasaray debut. What a guy :*) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegr8anand Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I am pretty sure his important games attribute irl is 21/20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deez0r Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The header is outstanding as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegr8anand Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Also involved in the 2nd goal. Miss him badly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deez0r Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Had to laught at this. http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/8503774/Yossi-Benayoun-says-Chelsea-to-blame-for-Fernando-Torres-poor-form Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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