MC-Leeroy Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Just wondering how i can start a game with them without them being bankrupt and them having a chairman who wants to stay and has good financially backing but still have the 10points deduction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC-Leeroy Posted June 30, 2012 Author Share Posted June 30, 2012 really appreicate if someone could help me thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xj2008 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 how about making it realistic by putting them where they deserve in the 3rd division with low crowds and no good players? I can help you with that if you like? I would also change their name but I don't believe the editor allows it for them. shame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC-Leeroy Posted June 30, 2012 Author Share Posted June 30, 2012 I never thought of dropping them down leagues, i think i will do that.. so is there anyway of getting them out of admin?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xj2008 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 they are not in admin, not in my game anyway if they are use just use the pre game editor, and it will all become clear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC-Leeroy Posted June 30, 2012 Author Share Posted June 30, 2012 in recievership (bankrupt) im trying to get them out if that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xj2008 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 in recievership (bankrupt) im trying to get them out if that it happens automatically once you start the game (may take a few weeks/months) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardog Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 how about making it realistic by putting them where they deserve in the 3rd division with low crowds and no good players?I can help you with that if you like? I would also change their name but I don't believe the editor allows it for them. shame As a Rangers fan i done this before the takeover. Re-named us and created a new company called Glasgow Rangers. Made the old club Extint, transfered only youth players (of which the better ones soon get unhappy) and moved the senior players to clubs which they'd have realistically looked at. I also kept the old club in the database for the history, all the titles etc and player history. Basically if i look at the SPL it says Rangers won 3 in a row but you cant click on it. If i look at players history it says they played for Rangers but again you cant click it. The only flaw with it i found was that players whos favrotie club was Rangers still supported the non-existant club. I just wanted to play and lots of results to change em all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie888 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 As a Rangers fan i done this before the takeover. Re-named us and created a new company called Glasgow Rangers. Made the old club Extint, transfered only youth players (of which the better ones soon get unhappy) and moved the senior players to clubs which they'd have realistically looked at. I also kept the old club in the database for the history, all the titles etc and player history. Basically if i look at the SPL it says Rangers won 3 in a row but you cant click on it. If i look at players history it says they played for Rangers but again you cant click it. The only flaw with it i found was that players whos favrotie club was Rangers still supported the non-existant club. I just wanted to play and lots of results to change em all. Realistically, the new Sevco Ltd cannot be named Glasgow Rangers. They cannot have any name that has any reference to the previous name whatsover, so the word Rangers is not possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik2402 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 So does anyone actually know how a game can be started without Rangers being bankrupt. Unticking the administration box in the edotor doesn't do this ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardog Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Realistically, the new Sevco Ltd cannot be named Glasgow Rangers. They cannot have any name that has any reference to the previous name whatsover, so the word Rangers is not possible. I done this before i knew really what was happening so i just picked a name i thought was related to the club. Also the official newco name is "The Glasgow Rangers Football Club" surley this is closer to the old company than Glasgow Rangers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabEss.Safc1879 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 how about making it realistic by putting them where they deserve in the 3rd division with low crowds and no good players?I can help you with that if you like? I would also change their name but I don't believe the editor allows it for them. shame Course u can change there name, i changed there name to Tax Dodgers f.c, and in the process of giving them a new start under Glasgow City F.C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesblack Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 of course they can. Leeds United are still called Leeds United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekman Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I never thought of dropping them down leagues, i think i will do that.. so is there anyway of getting them out of admin?? If they are in admin at the start of the game then what you have to do is open up the start in admin edt file with something like notepad then remove the entry then save. You'll have to start a new game for this to work though. You can also use an edt file to swap them with a team thats in the 3rd division. You'll also have to start a new game for this to work. You can get more information about edt files in the editors forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Austin Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 of course they can. Leeds United are still called Leeds United. Leeds United didn't to bankrupt, the club was never wound up. Also, I believe they can have Rangers somewhere in their name. Unless the rules have changed, back in the early 90's, Aldershot in Englands (old) 4th division went bankrupt and reformed as Aldershot Town. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesblack Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 neither were Rangers. The company which owned the club was. That applies to both Leeds & Rangers. Leeds United AFC Became Leeds Untied FC. Just because the rules in England may forbid something it doesn't mean the rules in any other country do. Leeds are a newco as are Middlesborough, Charlton, Wrexham and Rotherham I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Austin Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Interesting. I certainly didn't know that. Therefore, Rangers can still have the word Rangers in their name? I realize this is a debate outside of FM, but it's interesting. As I understand it, Rangers did go bankrupt, otherwise, why the need to "relegate" them? As a non-league fan, I am fully aware of many club going bist and having to change their name and start life in a much lower league (Croydon Athletic for one most recent). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjspill16 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Realistically, the new Sevco Ltd cannot be named Glasgow Rangers. They cannot have any name that has any reference to the previous name whatsover, so the word Rangers is not possible. Sorry, Incorrect, only the company that owns them changes. Realistically, all clubs are "Ltd company/PLC" trading as "Football Club" The club ownership changed, not the club. Regardless of what happened to the old PLC, Rangers is Rangers, just like Middlesborough, Leeds, and, even Celtic (Pacific Shelf 1994 Ltd was their "newco"). The only reason this gets so much hysteria is that in Scotland, its a big club, and, the media are attrocious and love to create hysteria. Goldfish bowl syndrome. And, thanks for this thread, I wondered about the start in admin thing, I wanted to do some league creation and this will help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmckinlay Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Sorry, Incorrect, only the company that owns them changes. Realistically, all clubs are "Ltd company/PLC" trading as "Football Club"The club ownership changed, not the club. Regardless of what happened to the old PLC, Rangers is Rangers, just like Middlesborough, Leeds, and, even Celtic (Pacific Shelf 1994 Ltd was their "newco"). The only reason this gets so much hysteria is that in Scotland, its a big club, and, the media are attrocious and love to create hysteria. Goldfish bowl syndrome. And, thanks for this thread, I wondered about the start in admin thing, I wanted to do some league creation and this will help It's you that is incorrect I'm afraid. Club and company are one and the same. Rangers own failed CVA proposal stated: "Rangers Football Club was founded in 1872 and incorporated as the company in 1899." .. UK Law states: "Incorporation establishes the club as a legal entity in it's own right." ... The definition of incorporate: "To unite (one thing) with something else already in existence." Therefore, in 1899, the club founded in 1872 BECAME a company and in 2012 that company/club, died. The club's own website says: "Rangers formally became a business company. Rangers Football Club Limited was established in March 1899." Became is the key word. Rangers, the company AND the football club are dead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guspjmh Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 It's you that is incorrect I'm afraid.Club and company are one and the same. Rangers own failed CVA proposal stated: "Rangers Football Club was founded in 1872 and incorporated as the company in 1899." .. UK Law states: "Incorporation establishes the club as a legal entity in it's own right." ... The definition of incorporate: "To unite (one thing) with something else already in existence." Therefore, in 1899, the club founded in 1872 BECAME a company and in 2012 that company/club, died. The club's own website says: "Rangers formally became a business company. Rangers Football Club Limited was established in March 1899." Became is the key word. Rangers, the company AND the football club are dead. Utter tosh. Look at Leeds etc. Even when oldco is liquidated (which it hasn't been yet), all court documents show that the club and corporate entity are distinct and separate. Look at Andrew Dickinsons twitter - an official club spokesman and journalist for confirmation. Ignore the sad Celtic fans (with 1 post on these boards, about guess who?) who hate Rangers more than they love their own club. Rangers still exists, just as it did before and has since 1872. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo22 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Utter tosh. Look at Leeds etc. Even when oldco is liquidated (which it hasn't been yet), all court documents show that the club and corporate entity are distinct and separate. Look at Andrew Dickinsons twitter - an official club spokesman and journalist for confirmation. Ignore the sad Celtic fans (with 1 post on these boards, about guess who?) who hate Rangers more than they love their own club. Rangers still exists, just as it did before and has since 1872. You have to find it entirely sad that Celtic fans go out their way to try to nonsense the history of the Club that is still there and is still attached to the new club... Even on a computer games forum. Unbelievable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael F Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 ok im closing this as its not editor discussion now. If you want to discuss this please use the thread in the Football Forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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