N1ck Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Ive always played football manager on a casual basis and always downloaded a "super tactic" to win everything, but now im looking to do it on my own. Im playing as Liverpool, im in my 3rd season in and things arent going as well as i like. If I can post my tactic can anyone recommend where Im going wrong, or any pointers? Im losing too many games over the season, and end up being beaten by all the big teams away from home. Strategy: Control Philosophy: Rluid GK: Defend FB: Automatic FB: Automatic CD: Defend CD: Defend CM: Defend CM: Automatic Wing: Attack AM: Support Inside Forward: Attack Advanced Forward: Attack I tend to go control in every match Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobBRFC Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Ive always played football manager on a casual basis and always downloaded a "super tactic" to win everything, but now im looking to do it on my own. Im playing as Liverpool, im in my 3rd season in and things arent going as well as i like. If I can post my tactic can anyone recommend where Im going wrong, or any pointers? Im losing too many games over the season, and end up being beaten by all the big teams away from home. Strategy: Control Philosophy: Rluid GK: Defend FB: Automatic FB: Automatic CD: Defend CD: Defend CM: Defend CM: Automatic Wing: Attack AM: Support Inside Forward: Attack Advanced Forward: Attack I tend to go control in every match First off Id say drop your CM's back to the DM strata, just provides a lot more stability defensively. Besides from that I cant really see much else to change, how are you losing games? Sloppy goals, balls in behind, not scoring enough etc can probably try and give a little more detailed help then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1ck Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 Ive just looked at my most recent game against man utd which i lost away from home 4-3. One of their goals came from a penalty because coates barged hernandez over when he was doing a forward run into the box. Another from a set piece, but the other two came from open play when i think its a counter attack and my direct line is quite pushed up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1ck Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 But ive tried to stop this by using the touchline shout of dropping deeper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1ck Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 First off Id say drop your CM's back to the DM strata, just provides a lot more stability defensively. Besides from that I cant really see much else to change, how are you losing games? Sloppy goals, balls in behind, not scoring enough etc can probably try and give a little more detailed help then. I think that this is my main problem. By having my CM's pushed up, is this leaving too much space for the opposition to exploit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobBRFC Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I think that this is my main problem. By having my CM's pushed up, is this leaving too much space for the opposition to exploit? The two DM's will help stop against Counter attacks, especially if one is an Anchor Man. personally Id go with a DLP Defend DM Support combination, doesnt really matter which one is which. Besides from that the rest of the team seems good. If your finding your DLine is to high the quicker of your two defenders to cover duty that way he will help stop balls in behind the defrence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirazS Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 My suggestion would be to use this thread to fine tune your tactic - http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/307318-The-quot-How-to-make-the-System-work-quot-Thread So basically, if you want to press high up the pitch with a high D-Line, select Marking and Pressing options that suit that style in addition to player roles that complement that style of play. If playing United away from home though, you may want to play with a deeper D-Line as I think they have very fast players that can get in behind you and exploit the high line. Personally, I play with a very high Defensive line home and away. I try to control games and occasionally end up losing heavily against teams with fast strikers but I win most of the time so I am fine with it. Plus it makes for very enjoyable end to end games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1ck Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 The two DM's will help stop against Counter attacks, especially if one is an Anchor Man. personally Id go with a DLP Defend DM Support combination, doesnt really matter which one is which. Besides from that the rest of the team seems good. If your finding your DLine is to high the quicker of your two defenders to cover duty that way he will help stop balls in behind the defrence. You say that i should try going with a DLP and a DM, do you mean that it doesnt matter which roles each position is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1ck Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 Thank you ShirazS, will give that a read Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobBRFC Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 You say that i should try going with a DLP and a DM, do you mean that it doesnt matter which roles each position is? I think they are just the best two roles to use in the DM Strata. An Anchor Man is good if you want a player who does nothing but sit in the hole and defend but does nothing else bar lay the ball off to somebody else more creative. A DM Support will push forward and help the attack, a DLP Defend will tend to sit back in front of the defence and try to create from there. Thats the combination Ive always used when playing with 2 DM's. Hope that makes sense haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
omarm88 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 N1ck I know exactly what you mean. I am in the same position as you. I used to download super tactics and see my team win everything. Just got into setting up my own tactic. Funnily enough I am Liverpool as well, first season. So far I am 3rd and in the final of FA Cup. Take some time to set up set pieces (attacking and defending) and I have found that opposition instruction help me immensely against top opposition. In my last 4 matches I have beaten Man U, Arsenal and Man City twice quite comfortably. I started with a 4-2-2-2 formation but I have now settled on a 4-2-3-1 formation. My team is: Reina - GK (D) Johnson - RB (S) Agger - CB (D) Skrtel - CB © Enrique - LB (S) Lucas - BWM (S) Yttegard Jenssen - DLP (D) - £1 million signing from Tromso Kuyt - IF (S) Gerrard - AP (S) - Brought in Renato Augusto as cover as Gerrard is too injury prone Downing - W (A) Suarez - P (A) Philosophy - Rigid Strategy - Control Shouts - Retain possession, pass to feet, work ball to the box, hustle opponents, push higher up (drop deeper when playing big teams) When I am playing big teams, I drop my MC's to DMC's and make sure I close down Flying wingers and attacking midfielders and also put them on weaker foot. You won't win as many as when using super tactics but the wins are more enjoyable imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirazS Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 N1ckI know exactly what you mean. I am in the same position as you. I used to download super tactics and see my team win everything. Just got into setting up my own tactic. Funnily enough I am Liverpool as well, first season. So far I am 3rd and in the final of FA Cup. Take some time to set up set pieces (attacking and defending) and I have found that opposition instruction help me immensely against top opposition. In my last 4 matches I have beaten Man U, Arsenal and Man City twice quite comfortably. I started with a 4-2-2-2 formation but I have now settled on a 4-2-3-1 formation. My team is: Reina - GK (D) Johnson - RB (S) Agger - CB (D) Skrtel - CB © Enrique - LB (S) Lucas - BWM (S) Yttegard Jenssen - DLP (D) - £1 million signing from Tromso Kuyt - IF (S) Gerrard - AP (S) - Brought in Renato Augusto as cover as Gerrard is too injury prone Downing - W (A) Suarez - P (A) Philosophy - Rigid Strategy - Control Shouts - Retain possession, pass to feet, work ball to the box, hustle opponents, push higher up (drop deeper when playing big teams) When I am playing big teams, I drop my MC's to DMC's and make sure I close down Flying wingers and attacking midfielders and also put them on weaker foot. You won't win as many as when using super tactics but the wins are more enjoyable imo. Definitely agree with that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1ck Posted September 28, 2012 Author Share Posted September 28, 2012 Really appreciating the input lads. @jimbobBRFC, will give those roles a go and see how I get on . What do you guys use for match preparation if any? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Definitely agree with that +1. Wins when using your own tactic are definitely more enjoyable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lam Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 A few tips from me: 1. Initially you have two choices A) Choose a formation and tactic that suits your current team (often as suggested by your coach at the start of a season) OR B) Know how you want to play and get the players in that are capable of doing so. Trying to get players to play formations that do not suit them when you are new to this style is not going to be easy. 2. Keep it simple. Choose a formation and tactic that suits your players as above and then leave it. Don't tweak individual instructions until you know what you are doing and have watch a number of games. 3. Do NOT stick with one philosophy, you WILL need to change this depending on who you are playing. Standard/Control against similar teams, counter against strong teams etc. 4. Biggest and best thing you can do which everyone seems to hate as it really slows the game down is to watch the games in full. A few things will happen when you do this. A) you will begin to understand how your team players and how the players work B) If you have problems you will be able to describe them in the forums in more detail. Watching highlights will mean you miss out on things that could have resulted in a SHOT on goal. 5. AS mentioned above, just keep it simple Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1ck Posted September 29, 2012 Author Share Posted September 29, 2012 Thank you lam, extremely helpful pointers there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lam Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 No worries..... Just keep it simple. Spend some time at the beginning of a new season or if you make a number of purchases. Make sure you look at the skill requirements of each role to understand what 'ideally' it takes to play in that position with that role. Don't try and bend the rules thinking you know better, if you are new to creating your own tactic, then the chances are that you do NOT know better, at least at this stage. Watch as many games in full as you can and you will have lots of those "why the hell did my player do that?" moments, and when you do, rewind and try to work out what happened. Did he get pulled out of position by two opposition wingers swapping sides, did he try to close down to early leaving a gap behind him, did he stand off for to long and invited to much pressure, was he marking that high agility, acceleration and pacey winger to tightly, was your entire defensive line to high and allowed to many long balls over the top. NOW, an important thing to note here.......... don't go changing everything in one go. If you see a player out of position and feel confident enough to do something about it, then change one instruction at a time, unless of course it's glaringly obvious. Also..... and this is one that so many people forget, when you substitute a player, for whatever reason, DON'T expect your new player to come on and do the same as the subbed player did. You might just be lucky enough to leave the instructions, assuming both were intelligent and you were playing with mixed settings across the board, BUT in most scenarios, this simply isn't the case. If you make a substitute, then make sure you change the instructions; If you pacey winger that gets to the byline by dribbling and going around players gets injured and you have to bring on a Wingback as that is all you have available, then there is no shame in telling that wingback to hold off a little. Perhaps change his crossing to deep rather than byline, set forward runs to rare rather than often. Lower run with ball to mixed rather than often etc etc..... (I tend not to mess with mentality to much), this way you are not trying to make your players do things that they are not capable of. How I got to understand the game (apart from reading great threads on the forums) was to watch the games in full, stick with some fairly default instructions that suited my team and when I felt like I was starting to understand it did I make changes....... now those changes were to REMOVE things that players could not do, I didn't try to make them do more things, I just removed the things that were obviously were not going to work for a particular player. I had a great Winger, he had fantastic stats, apart from the fact he couldn't dribble, so I let everything the same, apart from changing run with the ball to rare from often. Before changing him he would only occasionally have a decent game where perhaps he would be against a weaker defender, however, once he had his instructions changed, it played very well. So.... remove bad instructions before trying to add things...... Regards LAM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1ck Posted September 30, 2012 Author Share Posted September 30, 2012 Keeping it simple is literally the best advice, thank you so much for it . Intsead of trying to over complicate things, im just sticking to the basics now. The most basic thing for me now, that is improving my team and getting results, is applying the correct roles to my players, and its working a dream. Thanks lam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryman24 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Watch the match in 'full game' mode on highlights and see where the tactic is going wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
omarm88 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Best results I have had with my own tactic. No more downloaded tactics for me. . Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1ck Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 Since listening to lams advice i have gone from about 7th at the start of the season to 2nd in the prem, fa cup final and eufa cup final too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lam Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Great News! Really please I could help.. One last peice of advice.... no matter how well you do this season...... you will still have a lot to learn... so don't get cocky..... SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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