TheUsualSuspect9 Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Wow. Now he's a natural AMR, he's one of the best Wingers/Inside Forwards in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 What is the best role to have him play? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRTB Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Quite rightly too. He's been awesome for us since coming back from injury, an absolute delight to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRTB Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 I'd like to play him at AMC, but I don't have anyone there in my formation. So he's on the right where he plays for Newcastle, and is doing a sterling job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUsualSuspect9 Posted October 20, 2012 Author Share Posted October 20, 2012 What is the best role to have him play? Mainly been using him as a Inside Forward but can but just as effective in a counter attacking tactic as a winger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommonufc Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Dammmn, was going to do a nice player thread on HBA! Looks brilliant though, can't wait to get hold of the game and manage him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Dammmn, was going to do a nice player thread on HBA! Do one on Mike Williamson instead . I did reference your Danny Welbeck thread from FM12 in the new Official Rules sticky at the top of the page Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUsualSuspect9 Posted October 20, 2012 Author Share Posted October 20, 2012 Dammmn, was going to do a nice player thread on HBA! Looks brilliant though, can't wait to get hold of the game and manage him. Not fussed if a mod wants to delete this one and let you crack on with a detailed one with a bit more info. I just couldn't hide my excitement at his performance. Almost finished first season and he's been my best player closely followed by Cisse. P.S. Looking forward to your NUFC team guide Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Its been put in the Official Links now so it will stay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommonufc Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 That's okay I'm not one to hold a grudge Thanks, just about ready to go, just waiting for me to get my hands on the demo and put in the screenies and analyses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommonufc Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Do one on Mike Williamson instead .I did reference your Danny Welbeck thread from FM12 in the new Official Rules sticky at the top of the page Haha! I did see that reference, top work thanks Williamson, no thanks. Will have to see how much of a beast James Perchenbauer is in the game this year, or make a Tiote thread listing endless Chuck Norris, Chieck Tiote quips. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
london boy Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Looks really great. He never seemed to get used by the AI managers in FM12 and was always transfer listed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert the Spud Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Meh, think i've just been persuaded to start a Newcastle save for Fm13. Dammit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyJoe Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Once again, has been very under valued as far as attributes go. His work rate, team work and position are a disgrace to the researcher, if played for top 4 club, would be vastly different. Really the researcher in this case should be shot! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucatonix Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Once again, has been very under valued as far as attributes go. His work rate, team work and position are a disgrace to the researcher, if played for top 4 club, would be vastly different.Really the researcher in this case should be shot! I wouldn't say the researcher should be shot. I think that's a fairly good representation. I would have liked to see his finishing slightly higher and perhaps his workrate and/or teamwork a touch higher but on the whole it's pretty good. The way I see it, he puts more effort in tracking back and defending straight after an attack than say Robben but maybe a touch less than Oxlade-Chamberlain. As for teamwork I remember seeing him on numerous occasions last season dribbling through tight spaces when perhaps a give and go would have been better but due to the success rate he had doing this it went relatively unnoticed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DandyDon Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Once again, has been very under valued as far as attributes go. His work rate, team work and position are a disgrace to the researcher, if played for top 4 club, would be vastly different.Really the researcher in this case should be shot! If you really think he's been clearly wrongly rated you should probably raise it in the Database Issues forum here: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/318026-ENGLAND-%28Official%29-Newcastle-United-Data-Issues Ben Arfa plays like a dream in most matches for me, even with low work rate, constantly running at players and torturing defences. He has the odd absolute mare of a game, but his overall contribution more than makes up for it. And the NUFC researcher was pretty active in the team thread last year and released a couple of nice database edits during the year so personally I'd prefer it if he wasn't shot, thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DandyDon Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 @lucatonix I'm not sure his finishing needs to be any higher, he grabbed 17 goals for me playing at AMR as an Inside Forward (also provided 22 assists). His finishing gets any higher and he'll be scoring at Ronaldo like rates Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_wilko Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I've been playing him as MR as a winger with some changes to his instructions. The main one being wide play set to normal rather than hugs touchline, and maximum creative freedom. The result? 23(1) games, 10 goals and 20! assists. Superstar. I'd best offer him a pay rise before someone tries to nick him off me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Once again, has been very under valued as far as attributes go. His work rate, team work and position are a disgrace to the researcher, if played for top 4 club, would be vastly different.Really the researcher in this case should be shot! And the NUFC researcher was pretty active in the team thread last year and released a couple of nice database edits during the year so personally I'd prefer it if he wasn't shot, thanks We've got a new NUFC researcher his year so expect the new guy to take time to settle into his job. Hold your guns! Fwiw some attributes (teamwork/workrate particularly) and his positions could be better represented but as mentioned, that is an issue for the data forums. I think Chris might release an alternative update once the full game is out, so keep your fingers crossed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommonufc Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Currently playing him as the '1' in behind Ba and Cisse, in a 4-3-1-2. Only played a handful of games, but he's been devastating in behind the oppositions lines. Never got him firing last year on FM12, could never motivate the lad, but very pleased how he's been represented in this release. [video=youtube;DMcvHhe52L4] I think 9 for workrate is probably a tad low, but understandable. Not sure what it was back in FM11 when he first joined Newcastle from Marsielle (quick google search would see it to be 9), but since over the last 18 months his workrate and general team ethic has improved immensely I'd say. When he was coming back from his injury to the start of last season their were questions whether he could be played on the right in a 442, but him playing wide isn't in question now I don't think. Fair enough he's no James Milner or Gutierrez in terms of industry; but growing up outside of England, that's to be be expected, but since he's been at Newcastle he's far from your stereotypical contenental winger who isn't interested in defensive work. I think there is a general perception of luxury players such as HBA, that because of their flair that overall team ethic is overlooked - and underrated workrate and team work may be common place across lots of players in the game if you were to really analyses and scrutinise their game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucatonix Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 @lucatonixI'm not sure his finishing needs to be any higher, he grabbed 17 goals for me playing at AMR as an Inside Forward (also provided 22 assists). His finishing gets any higher and he'll be scoring at Ronaldo like rates Perhaps, but it's an odd attribute to try to give him. He's not a great finisher but is composed when infront of goal. I'm not saying 14 finishing but perhaps 12 but one point here or there isn't enough to complain about really. The high composure and 'places shots PPM' iirc makes him more like real life I have got players to score lots of goals despite single figure/low finishing attributes since it's about creating good opportunities to score goals as well as just their attributes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DandyDon Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Perhaps, but it's an odd attribute to try to give him. He's not a great finisher but is composed when infront of goal. I'm not saying 14 finishing but perhaps 12 but one point here or there isn't enough to complain about really. The high composure and 'places shots PPM' iirc makes him more like real lifeI have got players to score lots of goals despite single figure/low finishing attributes since it's about creating good opportunities to score goals as well as just their attributes I remember buying Ronaldinho from PSG back in Champ Man 4 days and he had finishing of 12 or 13 but scored bucket loads for my Newcastle side by consistently just rounding the keeper and walking the ball into the net it seemed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grande92 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Fair enough he's no James Milner or Gutierrez in terms of industry; but growing up outside of England, that's to be be expectedEh? Because english wingers are generally more hard-working, or? Gutierrez isn't english either btw.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoarau Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I actually play him as a CM(advanced player - A) with some tweaks in a 5-3-2 and he's fantastic, I posted a screenshot in the Newcastle thread, if I've still got it ill put it in here aswell. Was great out wide aswell, he just seems to ghost pat players, could never get him fully functioning as the AMC behind my frontmen though. It's good to see him become what he was promised to be back in an older version of FM when he was first at Marseille. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommonufc Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Eh? Because english wingers are generally more hard-working, or? Gutierrez isn't english either btw.. I know Gutierrez isn't English. He's Argentinian. Never said otherwise... The point I was making, and it was a while ago now, that the English culture of football will be more inclined to develop the off the ball nature of a winger than other countries. With you seeing more of the James Milner mold than the mercurial flair of a Ben Arfa produced in the English game. I remember hearing Joe Cole comment when he first arrived to play in France at Lille - he said that his team mates asked him what he was doing when he was closing down the full back and tracking him back, as it just wasn't expected of a winger in France to the same extent in the English game. Regarding Ben Arfa, I was commenting on the fact of me agreeing with someone else saying that his work-rate is a tad underrated, and that after playing within the Newcastle side week in week out he has shown a very large increase in terms of industry and general work rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Gutierrez isn't english either btw.. Thank you for clearing that up for everyone. -- I see him move to Chelsea on a lot of saves for less than £20m. Has anyone purchased him rather than used him with Newcastle? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Double K Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Thank you for clearing that up for everyone. -- I see him move to Chelsea on a lot of saves for less than £20m. Has anyone purchased him rather than used him with Newcastle? Straight swapped Agger for him . But he hasn't been as prolific as some of the stats above. For me its 17(2) app with 4 goals and 6 assists, which isn't bad. He's missed two penalties for me though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelBrown Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 He'd make a fantastic trequartista. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 He's doing pretty well at Chelsea on my save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhite Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 i play him AMR as a supporting IF. He's amazing, the heartbeat of everything. 12-13 49 - 10 - 26 13-14 20 - 5 - 10 (in jan 2014) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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