65%+ pos, 20+ shots, 0 ccc :-(

[DJLM82]

Hello,

As the thread title suggests, I'm having problem scoring, mostly down to I believe, lack of clear cut chances. I always have most possession, 90% of the matches I get above 65%, and 95% of the matches I get more than 20 shots, yet me CCC are always very low.

I wouldn't mind have lower possession if it meant being more deadly on attack.

I seem to have better luck against the better teams, whilst struggle against lower teams. Since I play in Brazil, we have state championships, so for the first 5 months of the season most of the opposing teams are of much lower quality, like comparing premier and conference teams. Can you imagine Chelsea constantly struggling against conference teams with, 2-1, 3-0 wins and little if any CCC? Not that I'm not winning. It's just that I always managed to get wins of 5-0, 6-0, even 10+ goals once or twice in a season against these lowly teams in FM11 and FM12.

Also even though the CCC are low, the shots are high, is this the return of the super keeper from some years back? The opponents goalie plays like hockey goalie Dominic Hasek, a very acrobatic style, making crazy saves with the tip of the foot.

My best results to date actually comes from using Frankz Blitz Tactic 2011, from FM2011 and placing both outside ST at AML and AMR. 2nd best results come from using this same tactic, but placing all three ST at AML, AMC and AMR positions, whilst tactics with more than 1 strikers I have tried have not resulted in better goalscoring opportunities, or CCC, nor more goals against these weak weak teams.

Any tips on how to make my attack more efficient?

[vanpablo the 3rd]

i'm having the exact same problem in Scotland, lots of ball, lots of shots (even though all my players are set to never shoot long), but no CCC.

[RTHerringbone]

There are a few similar threads about. Long shots generally occur when the player has no alternative, so if a guy is 30 yards out and sees no free player, or nobody at all, he might belt it irrespective of whether he's set to never shoot from distance.

It is possibly a question of the balance of your team - if you haven't got enough players in support of your attacking player(s), they may be isolated and have no alternative.

If you post a screenshot of your tactics and the roles and duties of the players, it might be possible for one of the tactical gurus to spot something immediately.

[lam]

This was my thread on it........

http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/327843-Reducing-longshots....try-this....

Essentially, for me it came down to me having to many players in the box (read to many forward runs).

[DJLM82]

There are a few similar threads about. Long shots generally occur when the player has no alternative, so if a guy is 30 yards out and sees no free player, or nobody at all, he might belt it irrespective of whether he's set to never shoot from distance.

It is possibly a question of the balance of your team - if you haven't got enough players in support of your attacking player(s), they may be isolated and have no alternative.

If you post a screenshot of your tactics and the roles and duties of the players, it might be possible for one of the tactical gurus to spot something immediately.

Hi,

Please see this post, where I previously wanted more passes, but now I want CCC :-), it has all the info you asked:

http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/football-manager-2013-tactical-discussion/106425-fm13-possession-tactic-discussion-thread-raikan007-9.html#post1623068

I want to keep possession, whilst also creating CCC and more goals.

There are always passing options for my players, if you see the formation each player should have at least 3 passing options.

[wwfan]

Wow. Just wow.

There are so many things that will make this tactic inefficient I barely know where to start.

1: Formation: Way too attacking, not enough midfield. Will be very difficult to get multiple passing angles into the area with such a formation. I suggest trying a formation that teams actually use in real life.

2: Mentality: Way too split, meaning there will be no strategic cohesion. You have basically told the team that the match strategy is to defend, to counter, to control and to attack.

3: FWRs: You have nobody moving from deep to provide difficult to pick up movement that will create extra passing angles. You have nobody sitting deep in midfield to either dictate play or sweep up cleared balls. Or both with the right player.

4: Passing style: A short passing style suits teams that work the ball through a heavily populated midfield. With two FCs and two wingers, you will need a much quicker, more direct style to be effective.

5: Passing Focus: Through the middle? You only have two midfielders? And you are encouraging your FCs to drift wide!

6: Wide Movement: Your FCs and wide players Move into Channels, i.e. occupy the same space.

7: FC Settings: You are happy for FCs to take long shots when leading the line, but not for players behind them running onto clearances / laybacks? No logic in that. Also, how is your drifting, lead the line FC supposed to make lots of TBs? To who exactly? Yet nobody behind them in the position to hit TBs is allowed to to this extent!

8: Using a TM: Your FC settings are not conducive to TM play.

I could go on, but you should be getting the gist. I think your tactic provides great evidence that players in FM are important. That you can still win matches with better players using that system illustrates exactly how important player quality is.

Sorry to be so direct but it is difficult to sugar coat this much critical feedback.

[DJLM82]

Hi wwfan,

Many thanks for the feedback. No need to be sorry for being direct... it's not really my tactic just a tweaked version from the creator of the OP in the link I sent previously. I'll try to tweak with your suggestions. Have a great weekend :-)

Best Regards

[wwfan]

I read through the thread you linked to. Very interesting. My belief is that the FM13 ME will punish this type of tactic because it is so incoherent in terms of strategic approach. Although it might well have good possession, I can't see any way for it to create good chances on a regular basis. The mentality and FWR structure doesn't allow it.

[Raikan007]

Hi this is Raikan007, the link is to my discussion page of possession, not anywhere does it have a tactic to download, it is there as a guide to assist people in creating possession tactics themselves and to discuss different approaches and idea's...

all the SS are from FM12 and not Fm13 (as you should be able to see from the layout and skins) and FM13 is a whole new game and a whole new approach to Fm which is great and loving the challenge and realism it has..

this is not a tactic, I repeat, not a tactic..

http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/football-manager-2012-tactics-training/87772-raikan007s-possession-tactic-discussion-creation-centre-hints-tips.html

that is the Fm12 thread that helped thousands of people create their won tactic which yielded great results

so please try and go through exactly what the thread is about before jumping to conclusions

I wish you all a good evening

[DJLM82]

Hi this is Raikan007, the link is to my discussion page of possession, not anywhere does it have a tactic to download, it is there as a guide to assist people in creating possession tactics themselves and to discuss different approaches and idea's...

all the SS are from FM12 and not Fm13 (as you should be able to see from the layout and skins) and FM13 is a whole new game and a whole new approach to Fm which is great and loving the challenge and realism it has..

this is not a tactic, I repeat, not a tactic..

http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/football-manager-2012-tactics-training/87772-raikan007s-possession-tactic-discussion-creation-centre-hints-tips.html

that is the Fm12 thread that helped thousands of people create their won tactic which yielded great results

so please try and go through exactly what the thread is about before jumping to conclusions

I wish you all a good evening

Hi,

If you remember my initial post back at fm-base I said:

"I downloaded the OP's Might and Magic tactic, edited it's formation to have 2 DC, 1WBR, 1WBL, 2 MC, 1AMR, 1 AML and 2 ST.

The team settings was changed to match the image provided, using "classic tactics". Other settings and player individual settings was tweaked according to what I read during the OP."

I applied the changes you posted on the screens to another of your tactics.

Also, if you read my post above, you'll see I said it's a tweak of a tactic from the original poster, nowhere did I say I downloaded the actual tactic as is.

:-)

[Raikan007]

Hi,

If you remember my initial post back at fm-base I said:

"I downloaded the OP's Might and Magic tactic, edited it's formation to have 2 DC, 1WBR, 1WBL, 2 MC, 1AMR, 1 AML and 2 ST.

The team settings was changed to match the image provided, using "classic tactics". Other settings and player individual settings was tweaked according to what I read during the OP."

I applied the changes you posted on the screens to another of your tactics.

Also, if you read my post above, you'll see I said it's a tweak of a tactic from the original poster, nowhere did I say I downloaded the actual tactic as is.

:-)

no cheers mate, now worries at all I just got a PM from Mike yesterday at Fm-Base saying that some guy who is the most knowledgeable Fm'er besides Miles did a breakdown of my possession tactic and linked me to the list where he said

Wow. Just wow.

There are so many things that will make this tactic inefficient I barely know where to start.

Mike assumed he was talking about one of my tactics where I explained to him that it was just a link to a discussion thread regarding possession tactics and approaches.

So you took the M&M Fm12 or Fm13 tactic, converted to classic and made all these changes? M&M is not a possession tactic though, if you would like to try one may I suggest Short and Sweet (classic FM12 possession tactic of mine, no clue how it will fair in Fm13 though)

Regarding the possession and ccc's for Fm13 so far, it is not fully polished yet and possession is not the best approach for the ME just yet.. I would highly recommend playing a stand off, zonal marking, balanced and defensive (works the best for me) approach with medium to high freedom and have your quickest players taking on defenders with your FB's set to default defend duties to ensure they do not get too far forward and leave you exposed out wide!

this is the past few games in my first save as United thoroughly enjoying the game so far, miles better than Fm12! have a good day pal

[Luketa]

I can give you my best advise: Work with the TEMPO SLIDER !! It is a totally overlooked aspect of tactics. We use to leave as the TC sets it, but I can tell you that a large amount of long shots when having a lot of possession is that tempo is set to high. For example, at home I tend to use a Control approach, short passing, but then I reduce the tempo slider to slow (it is set to mixed by default). What I achieve with this tweak, is that my players pass the ball more patiently, and the midfielders wait more for runs from deep from their partners, and thus, have more options of passing instead of taking the decision to shoot from distance!!

[spankie]

If that is true Luketa then perhaps the Retain Posession shout would be more effective then Work Ball into the Box, or it might be a combination of the shouts.