abhid30007 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Sorry if it has been asked elsewhere, i tried searching but could not find relevant thread. The best part of FM12 was the individual training schedule of players, why it has been removed. I like developing players with good ball skills and good off the ball movement as strikers it was much easier in FM12 to control things but now it seems there is no grip except specific attribute. and if i want to develop several attribute together then you can hit your head on the wall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipknot67 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Sorry if it has been asked elsewhere, i tried searching but could not find relevant thread.The best part of FM12 was the individual training schedule of players, why it has been removed. I like developing players with good ball skills and good off the ball movement as strikers it was much easier in FM12 to control things but now it seems there is no grip except specific attribute. and if i want to develop several attribute together then you can hit your head on the wall Just have him train in the role you intend to use him and attribute increases will go to the key attributes for that role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOUGHGUY Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Maybe he wants to develop a group of attributes not highlighted for any particular role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Maybe he wants to develop a group of attributes not highlighted for any particular role. Which is daft, and not realistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhid30007 Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 Which is daft, and not realistic. Ok, there is a less controlled alternative avialable ex - i have a excellent forward, say finishing, acc, pace, dribbling, off the ball, techniq 16, but have pos(2), tackling(2), anticipation(8). should i train him as a role of defensive forward while in reality i'll be playing him as a advanced forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 No, you'd be training him as an advanced forward so he trains in the role that he plays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Why would you train an advanced forward on defensive attributes when you had no intention of playing him in a defensive role? Positioning is not important for a striker, neither is tackling. Thats the kind of madness that was going on before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhid30007 Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 I think i got my answer in another thread in which one guy beautifully said and i am now happy "In FM12, it's not because individual training routine existed, that people imagined that player trained individually, nobody imagined this. It's just the training program who was individual...but the training session on the field are by group. It's the job of the coach to organize training group to match each individual program..." btw @milnerpoint : tackling is important because so many defenders tries to run with ball and i deal with them with hard tackling so that opposition cant get extra man in midfield. Positional sense, anticipation, decisions are equally important, you need to know how ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Why would you train an advanced forward on defensive attributes when you had no intention of playing him in a defensive role? Positioning is not important for a striker, neither is tackling. Thats the kind of madness that was going on before. Maybe it's a future plan that you are just getting him ready for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I think i got my answer in another thread in which one guy beautifully said and i am now happy"In FM12, it's not because individual training routine existed, that people imagined that player trained individually, nobody imagined this. It's just the training program who was individual...but the training session on the field are by group. It's the job of the coach to organize training group to match each individual program..." btw @milnerpoint : tackling is important because so many defenders tries to run with ball and i deal with them with hard tackling so that opposition cant get extra man in midfield. Positional sense, anticipation, decisions are equally important, you need to know how ? Positioning for a striker is not important. Off the ball is important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I've deleted your post. Feel free to have another go, but without the attitude problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhid30007 Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 Positioning for a striker is not important. Off the ball is important. thats true for a good striker not a world class like Rooney Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 thats true for a good striker not a world class like Rooney It's only true for Wayne Rooney if you have him playing in defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I dont think you understand how the attribute works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Maybe it's a future plan that you are just getting him ready for? Then train him in the correct role. If you plan on playing him as a defensive forward, train him in it. If you plan on playing him as an advanced forward, then you shouldnt be caring about tackling or positioning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmel Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Hang on , this new system is flawed , what if i want to train his physical stats and also his positional stats . It cant be done unless i have all the team training for the physical stats . Also half of the positional stats you can train a striker for leave out important stats. ie : composure , passing , off the ball etc: in some of the roles . The treq training role is the most balanced for a striker as it covers all the key areas better than any other of the roles. This is one major flaw in the new training regime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 You do know that the new training roles all incorporate physical training yes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Then train him in the correct role. If you plan on playing him as a defensive forward, train him in it. If you plan on playing him as an advanced forward, then you shouldnt be caring about tackling or positioning.It might not be a defensive forward you are training for. You might be training a new Dion Dublin who reverted back to his old centre-back role. Or Alan Smith from forward to defensive midfielder. But you might also want the training to be gradual, where you don't want them to sacrifice what they are already decent at until the last minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Hang on , this new system is flawed , what if i want to train his physical stats and also his positional stats . It cant be done unless i have all the team training for the physical stats . Also half of the positional stats you can train a striker for leave out important stats. ie : composure , passing , off the ball etc: in some of the roles . The treq training role is the most balanced for a striker as it covers all the key areas better than any other of the roles. This is one major flaw in the new training regime. If you play him in a role, he will train in that role as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 It might not be a defensive forward you are training for. You might be training a new Dion Dublin who reverted back to his old centre-back role. Or Alan Smith from forward to defensive midfielder. But you might also want the training to be gradual, where you don't want them to sacrifice what they are already decent at until the last minute. You don't understand how the new training works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 It might not be a defensive forward you are training for. You might be training a new Dion Dublin who reverted back to his old centre-back role. Or Alan Smith from forward to defensive midfielder. But you might also want the training to be gradual, where you don't want them to sacrifice what they are already decent at until the last minute. Which can easily be done with the new model, not that you would know as you still play a 2/3 year old version, so why your posting about something you have no experience of i have no idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmel Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 You do know that the new training roles all incorporate physical training yes? No i did not , then why doesnt it show that ? If i train a poacher role it will show up with pace highlighted , if i train as target man it will show up wth strenght highlighted. Is this more bad programming ? What if i need all his physicals trained up as a mtter of urgency ? how do i do that without having to have the whole squad do it also ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmel Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 An easy fix would be to have an entire individual role for all the physical stats required and not just one or the other as it is now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 No i did not , then why doesnt it show that ? If i train a poacher role it will show up with pace highlighted , if i train as target man it will show up wth strenght highlighted. Is this more bad programming ?What if i need all his physicals trained up as a mtter of urgency ? how do i do that without having to have the whole squad do it also ? It does show, click on a player, click on the training tab when looking at a player, to the far right of the screen is a grey button with area on it, clicking on this will give you a list of avaliable training schedules for that player, each one will highlight the attributes that will be focused on. There really is no situation that would require every single physical attribute to be greatly increased in a hurry, the training set ups cover the attributes required for each position in terms of physicals. Surely to god if you guys are going to have a go at the new system, you surely should know exactly what it can and cannot do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 You don't understand how the new training works.In the video thread for training, I and a few others went through various scenarios that wouldn't always work in the tactics creator (i.e. wing-backs and practicing general-purpose finishing and not necessarily just from distance, brought up by davidbowie). With a templated and limited training engine, such limitations will always exist for very "niche" or "unusual" schedules. Some might call them "hacky" - others might call them "Roberto Carlos".If you like, the new training system sort of implies that every single full-back in the world trains exactly the same way, except with a little "flourish" that is individual focus. So Barcelona and Stoke central midfielders train in the same way except with a little extra focus in technique by Barcelona, perhaps. The OP is looking for a "bias" in technique and ball control across the board, which is similar. And for what it's worth, the old sliders wouldn't do this perfectly either, since Ball Control covers a lot more than just technique (in the same way that passing trained crossing as well, so if you wanted your centre-backs to have purely basic, functional passing, they'd end up training crossing as well - which would be hard to visualise in a real-life team drill). So the real solution is somewhere in between. But we know this, because some form of (limited?) customisation was brought up in the old video thread, that would have been more realistic for the niche, weird cases where "role + focus" does not suffice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmel Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I can see what it highlights for each role i want to individually train for. Tell me how can i put a 19 year old kid that has really bad physical stats and pump them up as soon as i can before he gets to old for that type of training to make a difference ? ie he has 9 pace , 8 stam and 6 strength so he needs work on all of them and needs it now. I want this kid woking on his physic every chance he gets . ps: In just about all sports and youngster with bad physicals but good skills will be fast tracked to get him up to size asap . It may very well take 4 years but they will do it. A player can only get so quick but there really should not be a an un realistic cap on how strong or how much stamina he can get too , he may not be able to reach elite lvl's but there is no reason anyone cannot reach 15 in terms of strength and stamina . Also stength and stamina should increases should not be reduced as the player gets older . A fifty year old bloke can improve in these areas when training for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 A mixture of the role he plays and individual training will allow you to do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 In the video thread for training, I and a few others went through various scenarios that wouldn't always work in the tactics creator (i.e. wing-backs and practicing general-purpose finishing and not necessarily just from distance, brought up by davidbowie). With a templated and limited training engine, such limitations will always exist for very "niche" or "unusual" schedules. Some might call them "hacky" - others might call them "Roberto Carlos".If you like, the new training system sort of implies that every single full-back in the world trains exactly the same way, except with a little "flourish" that is individual focus. So Barcelona and Stoke central midfielders train in the same way except with a little extra focus in technique by Barcelona, perhaps. The OP is looking for a "bias" in technique and ball control across the board, which is similar. And for what it's worth, the old sliders wouldn't do this perfectly either, since Ball Control covers a lot more than just technique (in the same way that passing trained crossing as well, so if you wanted your centre-backs to have purely basic, functional passing, they'd end up training crossing as well - which would be hard to visualise in a real-life team drill). So the real solution is somewhere in between. But we know this, because some form of (limited?) customisation was brought up in the old video thread, that would have been more realistic for the niche, weird cases where "role + focus" does not suffice. Have you played it yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmel Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 A mixture of the role he plays and individual training will allow you to do that. Can you link where this info is please ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 It was in one of the feedback threads, there's no chance of me finding it, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Have you played it yet?No, but I can read threads and understand the limitations.For Jarmel, for example, he wants to effectively give his striker 3-4 areas of focus and it doesn't actually match any role. Fast striker is insufficient because he's a midget. Targetman is insufficient because he's slow. Complete forward focuses on his all-round game but he wants a very specific "physical bias". You'd have to switch his focus during the season, which doesn't match reality because that player would simply spend (a lot) more time in the gym for many seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhid30007 Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 Although i m satisfied with what i can get, one last thing...i play Rooney as deep lying forward attack or target man attack(supply to feet) depending on the opposition or sometimes complete forward attack. he is good at all. I am afraid will i be able to generate such a versatile player with my youngsters as they will be more likely to be suitable for a role Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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