hammer88 Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Every game I start, Kenny Jackett leaves Millwall to take up the Blackburn job, and Di Canio leaves Swindon to take the Millwall job. I'm sorry but this is so completely unrealistic, and ruins the game experience to an extent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domus Clamantium Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 At least Carl Fletcher gets fired from Plymouth a lot. Not that I'd want it for him, it's not nice watching grown men cry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Di Canio joined West Ham in my game, which was a bit more predictable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Tell me again why it's so unrealistic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I doubt Paolo would go to Millwall, mind you Billy Bonds took the Millwall job briefly years ago and Tony Cottee signed for them albeit for a couple of games!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon_84 Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 don't see how anybody can say manager changes are unrealistic in the game after the last few months irl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert Fandel Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Firstly I would be surprised if it did actually happen without fail. I would however say it can be considered a good thing if the game makes relatively similar decisions, it means that the logic behind the decision is (without commenting on the 'realisticness of the moves due to my non-perfect knowledge of relative status of clubs in England) consistent, and that the game has a logic for appointments it follows each time, rather than it just being a random calculation. Again, I am not making any comment on the moves themselves, and indeed I have been unhappy with some SPL appointments Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Tell me again why it's so unrealistic? Blackburn approaching a decent manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I genuinely despair at people claiming things are 'soooooo unrealistic' when comparing to what they themselves expect from real life. Why would Jackett not go to blackburn? why would Di Canio not take up a higher reputation role?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer88 Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 why would Di Canio not take up a higher reputation role?. I think you phrasing the question in such a way is what's wrong with your approach to my statement. As far as I know this game has a number of variables that dictate player decisions when leaving a club - one of them I think being their favoured clubs and loyalty to that club (for example players like Wilshere not being interested in moves to teams like Man United or Chelsea). Why can't loyalty variables apply in managerial positions as well? I'm sorry but you can't say Paolo Di Canio moving to Millwall in 2013, based on his history and loyalty to West Ham - is a realistic move based on "higher" reputation alone (and Millwall's reputation is HALF a star higher than Swindon's). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I doubt the Millwall fans would be too happy with the appointment of Di Canio. Not that we haven't seen plenty of clubs going against the fans when appointing managers over recent years. It certainly isn't an impossible situation, but perhaps not one you'd expect to see happening regularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jibby123 Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 This has to be one of the funniest complaints I've seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveinaCape Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I can see why people would deem it unrealistic. He is massively loved by West Ham and I'm pretty sure he loves West Ham too. Taking control of their major rivals would be like kicking every West Ham fan in the face... Then again, Rafa went to Chelsea... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I can see why people would deem it unrealistic. He is massively loved by West Ham and I'm pretty sure he loves West Ham too.Taking control of their major rivals would be like kicking every West Ham fan in the face... Then again, Rafa went to Chelsea... And Harry left Pompey to join Southampton, and then went back again. 'Loyalty' in managers is a little overrated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee182 Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 My problem is not one of "realism" - I think with the randomness and with the constant unexpected surprises football provides for us, I don't think this is something that can ever really be labeled on FM. My problem is that far too often certain things happen pretty much every game. It's not unrealistic, but it just vastly reduces the randomness and replayability of the game. For example signings: I'm pretty sure every game I've started on FM13, (and I've started a LOT of them!) Man City sign Kaka and Chelsea sign Jovetic among others. These aren't unrealistic signings, but they happen every time. This wouldn't be so bad if it had happened in real life. I know it's not this way, but it often feels like some future signings have been pre-programmed into the game. I always remember on FM12, Arsenal would ALWAYS buy Walter Montillo - whereas in "real-life" I'm pretty sure they never went near him. I think we'd all agree that one of the great things about FM is it's unpredictability and randomness and therefore it's replayability. For me this "issue" really detracts from that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert Fandel Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 For example signings: I'm pretty sure every game I've started on FM13, (and I've started a LOT of them!) Man City sign Kaka and Chelsea sign Jovetic among others. These aren't unrealistic signings, but they happen every time. This wouldn't be so bad if it had happened in real life. I know it's not this way, but it often feels like some future signings have been pre-programmed into the game. I know you only say you feel like they are pre-programmed, but I am sure they are not. I see it as the game mechanics seeing a club calculate it needs a player, evlauating what type of player they need, and then going out and getting him. If they get the same player every time, then although I completely understand you that it does reduce from some kind of excitement of the unpredictability of the game, for me it shows that the game follows a logical process when making transfers of that type, rather than Man City doing something like "Buy random player with value > £20 million" or something. That said, something is in my opinion wrong with the manner in which AI clubs sometimes buy players and never ever ever use them, but I think this is more due to poor squad rotation than poor signings, and is a discussion to be had elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyBRFC Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Blackburn approaching a decent manager? Sadly i agree with this and also its a manager with hair very unrealistic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakiie Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 My problem is not one of "realism" - I think with the randomness and with the constant unexpected surprises football provides for us, I don't think this is something that can ever really be labeled on FM.My problem is that far too often certain things happen pretty much every game. It's not unrealistic, but it just vastly reduces the randomness and replayability of the game. For example signings: I'm pretty sure every game I've started on FM13, (and I've started a LOT of them!) Man City sign Kaka and Chelsea sign Jovetic among others. These aren't unrealistic signings, but they happen every time. This wouldn't be so bad if it had happened in real life. I know it's not this way, but it often feels like some future signings have been pre-programmed into the game. I always remember on FM12, Arsenal would ALWAYS buy Walter Montillo - whereas in "real-life" I'm pretty sure they never went near him. I think we'd all agree that one of the great things about FM is it's unpredictability and randomness and therefore it's replayability. For me this "issue" really detracts from that. The problem is that in the first transfer period 99% off the variables are the same for everyone. Unless you randomly give every club new players and a new manager those variables will always be the same. Therefore the decision made based on these variables will be similar quite often at the start. As stated before, it'd be rather problematic if with 99% off the variables being equal the game goes in a completely different way since it means that the game relies an random selection far to much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityAndColour Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 And Harry left Pompey to join Southampton, and then went back again.'Loyalty' in managers is a little overrated. Di Canio is a very different breed though. A lot more passion involved. I couldn't see him managing Millwall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil ole me Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I think he means its like Fergie becoming manager of citeh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I think he means its like Fergie becoming manager of citeh Or an ex Man Utd player? Like Mark Hughes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon_84 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Ray Wilkins has been employed by virtually every club in London, he seemed to get on fine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecockygeezer Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I'm sure he'd get a bit warm in the summer.........Ya know, with having to keep his West Ham tatoo covered up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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