calvg Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Im looking to play a quick tempo forward looking short passing 4-2-3-1 formation. which previous was adapted and success for other fm's but having lot more issues on fm13 despite promotion now i seeming struggling really to stop the leaks of goals and my forward just not getting enough chances. possible creativity issues ah here are some pics to help if more info needed let me know and typical game stats feel that my team back off too much and opposition just run through from deep in midfield completely unchallenged my team seem to always be second to loose balls standing there staring at them, while oppo has already blasted first time into the net then theres the constant short passes direct into the oppoents legs and therefore losing possession the only player instruction i give to them to have the wingers swap position and i've made no adjustments to sliders i have made one change to the above pictures so far and thats to change the DLP to a second DM still with no success now all this could be of course down to my players just being not good enough, but ive always brought insuring that they have passing of at least 12. thou i still do have some orginal leeds players that have lower but only reason i still use is lack of money to replace yet and and are still rated highly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProZone Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 A couple of things to comment on. Firstly, I would be reluctant to play a short passing game with this formation because there is a clear gap between the DM and AM strata. Even more so with your choice of DM(d) and DLP who both have Forward Runs set to rarely. Your AMC has Forward Runs mixed meaning that he will be running away from your DMs at times as will your Wingers more frequently. I'd recommend DMs who make Forward Runs and an AMC with Forward Runs set to Rarely. The second issue for me is the DC(stopper) behind the DLP. The DLP is sitting right in the space where the DC(stopper) is trying to push up into so they will be right in each other's way. Finally, your choice of Wingers & Wing Backs. Wing Backs would be better behind Inside Forwards who cut inside to leave space for the WBs to pass them on the outside. Wingers hug the touchline so again you have two players, Wingers and WBs, on your flanks who are tying to operate in the same space. Here is my preferred set-up for this formation. I played this way on FM12, I love the attacking part of this tactic the most as the ST can get a lot of goals and the TQ ghosts into the box to score a fair few also! Formation: 4-2-3-1 Deep Philosophy: Fluid Strategy: Standard Passing Style: Default Creative Freedom: Default Closing Down: Default Tacling: Default Marking: Zonal Crossing: Default Roaming: Default GK - Goalkeeper (Defend) ......... I'm also thinking to try a Sweeper Keeper (Support) to mop up behind the two flat DCs DR - Full Back (Automatic) DCR - Central Defender (Defend) DCL - Central Defender (Defend) DL - Full Back (Automatic) DMCR - Defensive Midfielder (Support) DMCL - Defensive Midfielder (Support) AMR - Winger (Support) AMC - Trequartista (Attack) AML - Winger (Support) ST - Advanced Forward (Attack) ......... set as Target Man, Run Onto Ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvg Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 firstly thanks so much for the help. secondly, whats the advantage of zonal over man marking? and would prefer to keep wing backs so you suggest change wingers to inside forwards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProZone Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Zonal marking is my preference, and as this formation will rarely line up man for man against the opposition then I think it is the most suitable option to maintain the team's shape. I do not recommend Inside Forwards for this tactic because the AMC and ST(a) are in the spaces where you'd be expecting the IFs to run/move into. I use IF(a)'s in a 4-5-1 formation either side of a Complete Forward (Support) for example. Also, Wing Backs aren't as effective with this Fluid Philosophy set-up in my opinion because they have a relatively low mentality compared to other philosophies such as Balanced. I would definitely stick with Full Backs for this - they need to be feeding balls to the Wingers ahead of them rather than trying to run beyond them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvg Posted January 27, 2013 Author Share Posted January 27, 2013 all wonderful thoughts but im still seeing my FB getting beat repeatedly on far post when crosses coming in from the opposite side. even if they do get anything on it its hitting the back of my player and going to nearest striker to score against me im still seeing a lack of chances too on my attacking end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvg Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 im wanting to play the same as swansea do IRL anyone know the best settings to achieve that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football Manager. Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I'm currently trying this i'm playing 4-2-3-1 not deep so with central midfielders as oposed to holding midfielders simply because there has been a lot of work in the ME to make this formation not useless but i always preferd it the way you had it before but i can say now it's not too bad i have as following GK-Defend FB-Attack FB- Attack CB-Defend CB-Defend CM-Defend DLP- Support Inside forward- Attack Advanced Playmaker- Attack Inside forward- Attack Advanced forward- Attack Now i've set ALL players to long shots rarely a few minor tweaks and it's doing ok but would like to see other people trying it to see if i can improve my tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 23 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I would be reluctant to play a short passing game with this formation because there is a clear gap between the DM and AM strata. I would want my back four and DM on short-passing to retain possession and get the ball to the DLP. I'd have the DLP on direct passing to play forward passes to the AM players, and probably forward runs and roaming as well so he can be in a good position to pick out the pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 23 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 all wonderful thoughts but im still seeing my FB getting beat repeatedly on far post when crosses coming in from the opposite side.even if they do get anything on it its hitting the back of my player and going to nearest striker to score against me I'm experimenting with instructing my full backs to tackle hard. The rationale being that if I've got AML/R not providing defensive help, I'd rather my full back attempts a tackle/foul than try to defend when he is exposed. I think he will need to man mark, tightly, so he's not charging in on the winger who could skip away. This may not work if you're playing with wing backs, but you choose which sacrifices to make in a tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvg Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share Posted February 15, 2013 I'm experimenting with instructing my full backs to tackle hard. The rationale being that if I've got AML/R not providing defensive help, I'd rather my full back attempts a tackle/foul than try to defend when he is exposed. I think he will need to man mark, tightly, so he's not charging in on the winger who could skip away. This may not work if you're playing with wing backs, but you choose which sacrifices to make in a tactic. i decided to reign in my am wingers and dropped them back to support and wb's are now automatic they still seem to get to same offensive positions but the extra cover does seem to help defensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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