How can I make Benzema to shoot?

[mentalist123]

I will introduce a tactical challenge.

Karim Benzema's teamwork : 15

Cristiano Ronaldo's teamwork : 4

When playing with C. Ronaldo, Benzema doesn't shoot... at most 2 meaningless shots.

Without C. Ronaldo, Benzema shoots at least 3 times in a game.

Because C. Ronaldo has low teamwork and "shoot from distance", Benzema's play is somewhat understandable.

And I actually gave up on Benzema.

But after I watching AI Mourinho's 4-2-3-1, I wonder how AI Mourinho makes Benzema to shoot and sometimes score hat-trick!.

Does anyone have solution for this challenge?

I've already tried several combinations.

Poacher Role : less ball touch oppurtinies, 1 or 2 meaningless shots

DLF/AF/CF Role with Attack or Support duties : less than 1 shot per game

IF-support or Attack duty of C. Ronaldo : meaning less due to his preferred moves

[llama3]

Well it actually relates to your entire set up, so if you post your full team and player instructions then we can help - otherwise its pure guesswork.

[mentalist123]

I don't want to argue with you...

I think "Who will shoot" is most related with teamwork / decision / preferred moves.

Tactics couldn't do much when your greatest player has low teamwork and "shoot from distance".

Anyway, I found my own answer : Advanced forward role in Standard strategy guarantees more than two shots per game.

I think this problem is related to Match Engine.

In the 13.1.x age, C. Ronaldo was La Liga assists leader in the game.

After the update, selfishness defined by Teamwork attribute is exaggerated.

As I said, I've tested many settings of Denmark 4-2-3-1 by TC.

I just wondered how AI Mourinho could do that.

Well it actually relates to your entire set up, so if you post your full team and player instructions then we can help - otherwise its pure guesswork.

[llama3]

It isn't as simple as that - if your "selfish" player is not getting into advanced positions, because your set up favours your centre forward and their strengths then you will see the team play differently. Don't come on here asking for help, then tell me I am wrong. I won't help again as you seem to suggest you are already the expert.

[mentalist123]

First, I never said you are wrong.

My incomplete answer is based on tactics. Am I wrong?

Second, are you telling me that you helped me.... for what?

As I said before, I didn't want to argue with you.

I'm here to listen to someone with better idea.

Have you ever played with Real Madrid and tried to emulated AI Mourinho style?

Because Real Madrid is one of most famous clubs, I thought someone in this forum tried same thing.

Tactics created by TC is not that simple.

And please never say "Dont come on here" again, it is not your private forum.

I'm not here for arguing or showing off my incomplete knowledge.

I was desperate for the answer and someone with "better idea".

Please don't take this personally.

If you haven't tried to emulate AI Mourinho's style, please let me listen to others.

It isn't as simple as that - if your "selfish" player is not getting into advanced positions, because your set up favours your centre forward and their strengths then you will see the team play differently. Don't come on here asking for help, then tell me I am wrong. I won't help again as you seem to suggest you are already the expert.

[dyne]

I'm not really clear on what you want. In the first post, you asking on how to make Benzema Shoot. llama3 then asking on your tactic, line up and others possibilities, which I think a valid request.

If you don't provide us with data, then we can give you answers that entirely won't work with you. Some people can post things like :

"Buy player Nani, Bale, Gotze then user formation 3-5-2 with those player to supply balls to Benzema" and that still counts as a valid answer.

Then you suddenly asking on people to tell you how to emulate AI Mourinho. Making Benzema shoot and emulate AI Mourinho is two different questions. In your save, the AI Mourinho tactic probably made Benzema a goal machine, but in others save Kaka probably become the goal machine. If you asking us to guess how AI Mourinho make Benzema score in your save then we need data on the RM under Mourinho.

Tactics couldn't do much when your greatest player has low teamwork and "shoot from distance".[/Quote]

Not really. If you have Benzema as Poacher then have CR7 as IF(a) and Higuain as IF(a) then Benzema probably wouldn't shoot as much as using CR7 as IF(s) and Higuain as W(s).

Shout will also affect this. If you set the team to play wide rather than play narrow then your Winger/IF will have more chances than your ST.

So without knowing the AI Mourinho or your formations/line up/setting we can throwing lots of difference option and still won't answer your problem

[soccer.joel]

Get him to learn PPM's like takes early shots, etc might increase the chances

[llama3]

First, I never said you are wrong.

My incomplete answer is based on tactics. Am I wrong?

Second, are you telling me that you helped me.... for what?

As I said before, I didn't want to argue with you.

I'm here to listen to someone with better idea.

Have you ever played with Real Madrid and tried to emulated AI Mourinho style?

Because Real Madrid is one of most famous clubs, I thought someone in this forum tried same thing.

Tactics created by TC is not that simple.

And please never say "Dont come on here" again, it is not your private forum.

I'm not here for arguing or showing off my incomplete knowledge.

I was desperate for the answer and someone with "better idea".

Please don't take this personally.

If you haven't tried to emulate AI Mourinho's style, please let me listen to others.

You said my suggestion that something tactically going on would make no difference in comparison with a poor team work rating - therefore you said I was wrong.

I tried helping, I took the time to try and ask you and understand what is going on so I can help point you in the right direction - i tried to help.

Reread what I said. Your suggestion I said "Don't come on here" is taken completely out of context. Do not do that again. Read the entire sentence, including grammar and you will see that is NOT the case.

I do not have to try Mourinho's style to know how it works. It is called knowledge. I do not have to give birth to a child to know how it works for example...

[mentalist123]

I'm not here to fight with anyone.

I never said you are wrong and I actually don't care whether you are wrong or not.

What I wanted is your opinion or idea or whatever something constructive that helps me.

Yes, you do not have to try AI Mourinho's style.

But in this case, you can't help if you didn't try it.

So please let me listen to others' idea.

Anyway thank your attention.

And please stop arguing, you are not wrong.

You said my suggestion that something tactically going on would make no difference in comparison with a poor team work rating - therefore you said I was wrong.

I tried helping, I took the time to try and ask you and understand what is going on so I can help point you in the right direction - i tried to help.

Reread what I said. Your suggestion I said "Don't come on here" is taken completely out of context. Do not do that again. Read the entire sentence, including grammar and you will see that is NOT the case.

I do not have to try Mourinho's style to know how it works. It is called knowledge. I do not have to give birth to a child to know how it works for example...

[mentalist123]

I feel sorry that I couldn't make you understand my question.

AI Mourinho make Benzema to shoot more than 3 times in every game with his 4-2-3-1.

But my Benzema shoot less than two times with any tactical combinations of 4-2-3-1 which is available with TC (team and personal setting).

Benzem might be more motivated with AI Mourinho or ME selfishness exaggeration or any other problems.

But in the current situation of no more update, I don't want to complain about the game it self.

I want to adjust my tactics and I hope to enjoy playing with Real Madrid.

CR7's tactical setting doesn't matter to his play style in game.

With any setting (W or IF or Attack or Support), he just shoot and shoot.

With any setting (poacher, AF, DLF, CF, Attack or Support), Benzema almost always pass in front of goal.

I've tested almost all combinations of 4-2-3-1 (team and personal)

As I said to llama3, I want answer or some ideas from who have played with Real Madrid emulating real Mourinho's style.

Anyway, thank you for your attention.

I'm not really clear on what you want. In the first post, you asking on how to make Benzema Shoot. llama3 then asking on your tactic, line up and others possibilities, which I think a valid request.

If you don't provide us with data, then we can give you answers that entirely won't work with you. Some people can post things like :

"Buy player Nani, Bale, Gotze then user formation 3-5-2 with those player to supply balls to Benzema" and that still counts as a valid answer.

Then you suddenly asking on people to tell you how to emulate AI Mourinho. Making Benzema shoot and emulate AI Mourinho is two different questions. In your save, the AI Mourinho tactic probably made Benzema a goal machine, but in others save Kaka probably become the goal machine. If you asking us to guess how AI Mourinho make Benzema score in your save then we need data on the RM under Mourinho.

Not really. If you have Benzema as Poacher then have CR7 as IF(a) and Higuain as IF(a) then Benzema probably wouldn't shoot as much as using CR7 as IF(s) and Higuain as W(s).

Shout will also affect this. If you set the team to play wide rather than play narrow then your Winger/IF will have more chances than your ST.

So without knowing the AI Mourinho or your formations/line up/setting we can throwing lots of difference option and still won't answer your problem

[mentalist123]

I've tried this but he still doesn't shoot.

Not like long shots, whether shoot or not in general may be not related to PPM.

Thank you for your idea.

Get him to learn PPM's like takes early shots, etc might increase the chances

[max787]

CR7's tactical setting doesn't matter to his play style in game.

With any setting (W or IF or Attack or Support), he just shoot and shoot.

With any setting (poacher, AF, DLF, CF, Attack or Support), Benzema almost always pass in front of goal.

This is probably because of his low teamwork attribute and "shoots from distance" PPM. It may also be due to a lack of passing options, which would be a tactical flaw.

What is your entire tactic? This is how I'd personally implement Mourinho's 4-2-3-1 in FM:

GK - Sweeper keeper s

RB: Full back s (Arbeloa)

CB: CB d (Ramos)

CB: CB d (Pepe)

LB: Wing back a

DML: DLPd (Alonso)

DMR: DMs (Khedira)

AMR: Ws (Di maria)

AMC: AVPs (Ozil)

AML: IFa (Ronaldo)

ST: AFa (Benzema)

Fluid

Counter

This is, in my opinion, how Madrid play.

[ModernLefty]

If you really really desperately want to make specifically Benzema shoot and not Ronaldo, set Ronaldo's creative freedom and mentality really low, tick his longshots to rarely. And then put Benzema on a a very high attacking mentality.

It might destroy half of Cristiano Ronaldo's game, but it would make Benzema shoot, which you desire so highly.

[mentalist123]

Thanks for your comment.

I played like you in 13.1.x age, only difference was rigid or balanced philosophy.

Now I prefer to play like this.

Balance , Standard

Pressing, More roaming

Shout : work ball into box, drop deeper

ST : CF-s

AM strata : same like you

MCL : DLP-s

MCR : BTB

LB :WB-s

CB : CB-d

RB :FB-a

After reading your comment, I've changed to fluid philosophy.

Although there are not enough shooting opportunities for Benzema(2 or 3 shots), but Fluid philosophy surely gives him better chances.

I did some experiments on this problem.

1) I deleted shoot from distance PPM from CR7.

The result was no difference.

He just shoots more than 12 times in a game, because his long shot ability is great and can't give chance to Benzema due to low teamwork.

2) I increased Ronaldo's teamwork to 7. (Frank Ribery's teamwork is 8)

Then Benzema shoots and scores. (4 shots, two goals)

But this result was not reproducible, even fluid tatctics didn't help.

Increasing CR7's teamwork certainly made Benzema touch ball more often.

But even in the chance, Benzema still prefer to pass.

AI Mourinho's Ronaldo shoots more than 500 times during 35 games.

This means that just emulating AI Mourinho's style is not an answer to the real problem.

Some atrribute change and ME update could only fix this problem.

This is probably because of his low teamwork attribute and "shoots from distance" PPM. It may also be due to a lack of passing options, which would be a tactical flaw.

What is your entire tactic? This is how I'd personally implement Mourinho's 4-2-3-1 in FM:

GK - Sweeper keeper s

RB: Full back s (Arbeloa)

CB: CB d (Ramos)

CB: CB d (Pepe)

LB: Wing back a

DML: DLPd (Alonso)

DMR: DMs (Khedira)

AMR: Ws (Di maria)

AMC: AVPs (Ozil)

AML: IFa (Ronaldo)

ST: AFa (Benzema)

Fluid

Counter

This is, in my opinion, how Madrid play.

[mentalist123]

I'm not Benzema's fan.

I just want to play and score like real Real Madrid.

Tactical setting for Ronaldo doesn't change his will to shoot.

He shoots because his long shot is best option on his judgement.

If you really really desperately want to make specifically Benzema shoot and not Ronaldo, set Ronaldo's creative freedom and mentality really low, tick his longshots to rarely. And then put Benzema on a a very high attacking mentality.

It might destroy half of Cristiano Ronaldo's game, but it would make Benzema shoot, which you desire so highly.

[ModernLefty]

Not if you set his creative freedom to nothing, and turn longshots off, it will certainly reduce his long shots, because you have implicitly told him not to take longshots. And his creative freedom restriction stops him from making his own judgement on what to do.

Have you tried it?

[mentalist123]

Although I appreciate your attention, I want to discuss about TC-based tactics.

I have tried as you said.

Even with Creative freedom "Zero", CR tried 5 long shots.

Total 10 shots, one missed penalty, one successful penalty.

He got rating of 6.7. Before last penalty, he got 4.8.

Benzema made two shots, no goal.

Real's total long shots were 6 shots, one with di Maria's free kick goal.

In this statistic, low teamwork and PPM seems to be more important than CF itself.

Not if you set his creative freedom to nothing, and turn longshots off, it will certainly reduce his long shots, because you have implicitly told him not to take longshots. And his creative freedom restriction stops him from making his own judgement on what to do.

Have you tried it?

[ModernLefty]

Fair enough

[dooro23]

If you can't get Benzema involved enough, that would increase CR's shots and decrease Benzema's. Without more information I'd take a wild guess and say try a Role without roaming and/or move into channels, like Target Man. This and/or the target man option in team settings. Those things might eventually affect CR's decision making, but then again he'll still be shooting many times I guess....