Totally unrealistic valuations and asking prices of players?

[yellowgreenredblue]

I find that the totally unrealistic valuations and asking prices of players can really take a lot of fun out of the game. For example if you start a season with Hull City AFC you are given approx £500k transfer budget which i'm fine. But trying to sign players with that budget is very difficult because all the way down to league two players are massively over valued and plus you rarely sign a player for there valuation.

For example as a test I wanted to sign an average league two player but after trying to sign several different players they each club was asking for around a million pounds. I just think a lot of fun is taken out of the game because right through the game players are bought/sold and valued at ridiculous prices. Although football in the real world does have inflated player values there arent multiple league two players flying around for plus 1 million.

Anyone else find signings difficult because of ridiculous prices for players?

[Guest]

I do not think that the transfer system is at fault, for me the focus of my attention would be the financial model that results in clubs not needed to sell their players to survive because it's too easy for clubs to remain solvent or at least be comfortably clear from the attention of their bank manager.

If the money side of the game worked in a more realistic manner & the research teams looked into why their clubs have no money so that SI had more accurate data to work from then I do think that the transfer market would calm down.

[carlosisonfire]

I mean, English players are just overpaid and overrated in general. Those asking prices mean that they just don't want to sell I guess? Whenever I play in lower leagues I usually rely on free transfers or signing internationals from small countries since they're cheap.

[vlobben]

If one player is overvalued, move on the next. I feel the biggest fault lies with the human managers who wants to buy a very specific player and doesn't look at other alternatives. In my save I bought several players of L2 quality with Championship potential (according to my scouts anyway) in the 10-50k range.

[Guest]

If one player is overvalued, move on the next. I feel the biggest fault lies with the human managers who wants to buy a very specific player and doesn't look at other alternatives. In my save I bought several players of L2 quality with Championship potential (according to my scouts anyway) in the 10-50k range.

This is a very important point, I think too many people get target fixated on a specific player & then expect to sign him immediately, either bide your time or move on is a philosophy that I work to.

Currently I have a keeper that is very high on my list of priority targets however his club are after a fee in the region of £16m for him, this is too much so I will spend the next year or so attending the odd match & commenting in the media so that he is less inclined to extend his current deal, the aim being to either have him hand in a transfer request &/or make his club realise that selling him for half their current asking price is better than having him leave for nothing in 2 years.

Patience is after all a virtue, probably one that only works in proper career games though.

[gunner86]

This has been a point of discussion for a while.

A players value does not represent what they would actually cost. Clubs will pretty much never sell players for their value unless they are transfer listed. This is why there is a separate value for Asking Price.

Value is made up of a number of factors, including Contract length, contract cost, Form, player reputation, club reputation, league reputation, player potential.

Clubs will also ask for more money absed on a number of factors, including there own finances and the players potential, theres more, but I can't think.

Spend a little time and sometimes, just sometimes, you can get players unsettled at there current club, then they will request a transfer and you can swoop.

Also Patient negotiating will save you a bit of cash.

[Guest]

A patient approach to buying players is the best way to do things. Take your time setting up a deal & you can generally get a player for a price that you're happy with, the other option is to wade in & buy Andy Carroll for £35m.

There are still issues with how much clubs are asking for players. I have my eye on a young striker who is currently with a Turkish Premier league side & is listed by request (wants first team football), they are not one of the big 3 & although they have a positive bank balance they are just about getting by yet for some reason they are asking for a fee of £11.5m (20x their record sale) for a player who has made less than 15 appearances in a little over 2 years & is unlikely to get too many starting chances due to the foreign player rules.

This is the sort of thing that I can see would infuriate the majority of FM'ers.

[postal postie]

i, too, take the pacient approach. doesn't always work but i've had negotiations last 20 turns before and finally the selling club relented and dropped their asking price. it may also have been because we were closer to the end of the transfer window.

[gunner86]

The best result I've had was Ter Stegen, who was so unsettled by the fact his team kept refusing to accept my bids, I signed him on a free. Took me 3 seasons, but it was worth it.

[postal postie]

The best result I've had was Ter Stegen, who was so unsettled by the fact his team kept refusing to accept my bids, I signed him on a free. Took me 3 seasons, but it was worth it.

i missed out on ter stegen at the end of the 3rd season. i didn't realise his contract was up and he went to some other club. it would be interesting to know whether stegen ever signs a new contract with his original club.

[gunner86]

i missed out on ter stegen at the end of the 3rd season. i didn't realise his contract was up and he went to some other club. it would be interesting to know whether stegen ever signs a new contract with his original club.

I can't imagine he does. Just a shame he can never get Germany caps.

[Sikker]

i missed out on ter stegen at the end of the 3rd season. i didn't realise his contract was up and he went to some other club. it would be interesting to know whether stegen ever signs a new contract with his original club.

He always signs a new contract in my saves. And then get sold for £20-25M

[Helmut]

I tried to buy players in PL, and compared real prices from this summer transfer window, with prices from the game.

My first offer was indentical with reality, when they accepted it, i cancelled the deal, and tried to lower the price.

Here are the results :

marked red - overvalued players, marked green - undervalued players.

Finally, i had to pay additional 67 % of real real price.

[tomtuck01]

Just because teams are willing to sell in real life, doesn't mean they are on the game.

Once you start your save, reality ceases and the game world begins. This includes clubs willingness to buy/sell players, player behaviour, etc, etc.

[Helmut]

Just because teams are willing to sell in real life, doesn't mean they are on the game.

Once you start your save, reality ceases and the game world begins. This includes clubs willingness to buy/sell players, player behaviour, etc, etc.

Of course, it's impossible to compare the game with reality in 1:1 scale. Final result depends on too many factors, as you said : behaviour, form, team position etc. But i think, that generally real clubs are more willing to sell their players, than virtual clubs, and that's the reason for such price difference.