dan-wafc Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I've been getting quite frustrated recently as a lot of my young players have their contracts up for renewal, I've kept them on relatively low wages since they joined and now they're all expiring I'm facing a huge increase in weekly wage. Anyway, whenever I try to 'negotiate' a new contract, they basically say "this is what I want, give it to me" and refuse to budge on even the smallest amount of money. Is there any way to reduce wage demands, I've got a 22 year old on £18,000 a week demanding £115,000 to renew, and refusing to move even £5,000 a week lower! Any advice? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Sounds like he just wants to leave & will only stay if you pay him a King's ransom, how long does he have left on his current deal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan-wafc Posted April 17, 2013 Author Share Posted April 17, 2013 I've had him since he was 17, both myself and most of my coaching staff are on his favoured personnel and we're his favourite club too. Don't think he wants to leave, or at least he's not given any clues that way. He's only got a year on his contract, it's high risk I know but I only re-negotiate in their final year to save on cost, I've had a rapid rise and can't afford half the squad on £100,000 a week and above! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Hold out for longer, he can't be approached yet so there's no risk of him being stolen by another club & he might be willing to accept a more reasonable offer closer to the expiry of his existing one. The current system does have its problems but they can be managed if you do not have unrealistic expectations of keeping a large number of talented players on comparatively low wages, I could spend all night guessing at the reasons why your player(s) want massive increase in their terms but that generally doesn't get too far before someone comes in whining about SI. My main advice is to take a step back & considered where your club is in terms of reputation, league position & financial strength then ask yourself if it's really that unreasonable for a 22 year old player to ask for a 6 figure weekly wage & remember that what he currently earns is more or less irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Hold out for longer, he can't be approached yet so there's no risk of him being stolen by another club & he might be willing to accept a more reasonable offer closer to the expiry of his existing one.The current system does have its problems but they can be managed if you do not have unrealistic expectations of keeping a large number of talented players on comparatively low wages, I could spend all night guessing at the reasons why your player(s) want massive increase in their terms but that generally doesn't get too far before someone comes in whining about SI. My main advice is to take a step back & considered where your club is in terms of reputation, league position & financial strength then ask yourself if it's really that unreasonable for a 22 year old player to ask for a 6 figure weekly wage & remember that what he currently earns is more or less irrelevant. The problem isn't that he wants 115kpw in his initial demands, but that you will be hard pressed getting him to accept a 1% reduction from that. Giving him that same value through clauses and bonuses isn't a reduced demand so that's why there are no negotiations in FM. It's a variant of "how do you like your coffee sir, with sugar or with milk?" - black. "no can do sir." "sugar or milk, sir?". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 How different do you think that is from real life negotiations? How long did it take for Walcott to agree his current deal at Arsenal & did he accept much less that what he was reportedly requesting from the outset? The main problem with FM is the immediacy of the response, contract renewal talks should be handled over a much longer time-frame with various stages of offer, counter-offer & a little bit of brinkmanship from both parties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayatsena Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I agree with Barside, the main think that should be improved is the time frame of negotiations Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 How different do you think that is from real life negotiations? How long did it take for Walcott to agree his current deal at Arsenal & did he accept much less that what he was reportedly requesting from the outset?The main problem with FM is the immediacy of the response, contract renewal talks should be handled over a much longer time-frame with various stages of offer, counter-offer & a little bit of brinkmanship from both parties. Yeah, maybe it is realistic that demands aren't lowered. In that case it is pointless having the feature in the game, since there is very little to gain from being patient. What he wants is what he wants and unless you give it to him he goes for free. I have no interest in going on for months in order to shave off £10k per year, so I have stopped bothering with contract negotiations. I will resume "tinkering" with contracts when it is worth it again, hopefully in FM14. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 One thing nobody has mentioned so far here, is his agent. Is his agent the money hungry one? I've seen players reject contract after contract at high wages, only to sack their agent and accept a lower wage offer. I believe that this will have some effect, and that different agents allow different levels of 'negotiation' based on their attributes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmonfu Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 What I do with youngsters normally is renew their contract 2 years before expiry. That will give me enough time to sell him if he rejects the contract. However sometimes you have to accept that they will go for bigger clubs, sell them and move on. With the money invest again in the youth, rinse and repeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magraev Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I think this version differs from the last one I own (FM11) in that the players are much less willing to accept other terms than they demand. Before you could get some players to go down 10-15%, but that just doesn't happen anymore (at least for me). If he wants 850 I feel fortunate to get 800, and probably have to accept 825. The same for 5 increases and wages after x league games. I don't know if it's more realistic, but it has clearly been changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matshit Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 What I think the game should have is an ability to say something to the player to make him lower his demands. IRL Sampdoria ended up putting Angelo Palombo, their biggest star, in the reserves because he would not accept a wage cut. In the end Palombo won, because he is now in the team without signing anything, but you should be able to threaten the player like that. In my game, one of my biggest stars demanded a 3* raise in his wage. Fair enough, he was a great player, and could possibly get this wage at another club. I could, however, not afford it. Therefore I ended up transfer listing him, selling him to Barcelona for 20 million with a year left on his contract. I would like to be able to say to him that if he doesn’t accept my contract offer, I will transfer list him. Most players will be okay with it, but some might end up signing for a lower wage because they want to stay at the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 How many people who are having contract problems use the lock tool? Personally I find that they are treated as a confrontational negotiating position that tends to just rile players & agents, if I can I will avoid locking any elements of the contract unless it is really becoming a sticking point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
postal postie Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 How many people who are having contract problems use the lock tool? Personally I find that they are treated as a confrontational negotiating position that tends to just rile players & agents, if I can I will avoid locking any elements of the contract unless it is really becoming a sticking point. i regularly use the lock tool. there's a lot of to-and-fro with me offering different combinations of clauses but if the player/agent still isn't playing ball (because i literally cannot afford the wages) i will lock the wages and they will accept the wage but negotiate some other clauses. keep going and you'll see get something close to what you want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmonfu Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I do use the lock tool, only in cases where I am 100% sure though that I cannot negotiate that clause. Normally its wage and Minimum Release Clause Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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