wazza Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 I am with my hometown club Hull and have overachieved following promotion, qualifying for the Euro cup in first season in Premiership, won FA cup 2nd season and qualified for Champions League. Third season struggled to meet the board expectations and was under pressure and am currently again struggling to meet the board expectations in my current season, even though I am not too far short. My contract is up at the end of the season so am beginning to think this is as far as I can take them and may look for another club as part of my career game to return later. When do you decide you have taken a club as far as you can take and look at resigning to look for a new club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Gut feeling. We all know that in FM there is no limit of how far you can take a club. Lots of users bring conference clubs to the EPL and win CL one day. The only matter is how much time you are prepared to spend trying. The moment you feel it's not worth to stay as it would take you too long to achieve what you want to achieve is the right moment to leave. Even more if irl you would had hit the ceiling of what would be a realistic development. However, if you really want to take them as far as possible in FM, then you should overcome temporary frustrations caused by slower development and stay until retaining the CL bores you and you start to impose transfer and/or young player rules on yourself to keep things interesting. That said, I never stay that long, ever. My own gut feeling always tells me to leave before. I have a similar situation maybe currently. And for the first time I'm staying for longer than I would have before. Still FM12. Took Leicester to the Championship title in year 1. Survived 1st year in EPL on 15th. Then achieved a 4th position + the LC in year 3. Year 4 saw me failing to qualify for the CL group stage, finish around 8th in the league, but retain the LC. After year 3 Tottenham came knocking.Now after year 4 Liverpool will be available and likely take me if I want to move. Now this is how I feel: I have accumulated a whole bunch of amazing young kids, among them the future best DL and the future best ML in the world (so I believe) plus a whole host of U18 players which will become big in 2-4 years time at the latest. I have a huge attachment to my lads and it would make me very sad to leave them behind. But: We are not even selling out our 32k stadium. I need to almost break even in transfers to finance my € 45m annual salary kitty. Unless we reach the CL no real severe financial progress looks likely (even though I know it's possible and likely, looking at my youngsters). I turned down Tottenham because I felt I had built too much at Leicester and will likely turn down Liverpool too. This is in a network game. My mate won promotion to the EPL one year later than me, but finished 8th immediately in his first season up there with Southampton. He took the Tottenham job after I turned it down, won 7 points from 11 matches despite the squad being great, was sacked and now is at Everton in the relegation battle while everything he built at Southampton now makes them continue to fly high. So I was happy to see that this could have been me, but wasn't. Maybe also worth consideration. hth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirajzl Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 I've always been of the opinion that there is no such thing as "taking a club as far as you can". It's just an excuse to give up once you can't meet the expectations or when you're bored with the save. You can win the league, win the CL, then do a quadruple, then again, and again. And then you set on to break Man Utd's record for PL titles and RM's record for CL titles. And then you win some more. Of course, it's not easy and it takes time, but you can't take your club to a point where you say "that's it, there's nowhere to go from here". There's always more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 I have found that once the first batch of world-class regens that I have signed retire, it is time to buy the new FM. You can win everything with any club with a good tactic and good signings, and Hull is one of England's biggest cities without a top division side, so you can get a 100k seater stadium there - but it will take 20-40 years to do this. Personally I never change clubs in this game, since I couldn't care less about my "career". I manage clubs. I see that many people build careers and roleplay quite a bit, though, so if that is your "cup of tea" it might be time to move on. I can say with 100% certainty that you haven't taken them as far as they can go because as shirajzl said; there is no such thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normthebarman Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 I thought I couldn't take my Babelsberg side further after 3 seasons in 3. Liga. We were miles behind what others could offer in wages, 500k p/a less than the 2nd skintest club. Literally several million worse than the rest. I promised myself one more season. Fast forward 10 years and we've just won the Bundesliga. The thing is, the game is supposed to fun. I support Babelsberg IRL so I had a connection with the side. That made it easier to slog on. If you're not enjoying it anymore, get a new club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazza Posted April 29, 2013 Author Share Posted April 29, 2013 Thanks for the input - my issue is i am playing a career game where I have stated at my hometown club with the aim of leaving and returning later in my career if possible. I am so desperate to go out on a high. I gained promotion , overachieved in the first two seasons and the latter two am failing to achieve my expectations. I have an ageing squad and in my last season only got less than 10mill to spend. I know that next season finances will be tighter as the club finances are deteriorating. Therefore I am beginning to think that I wont be leaving on the high I wanted to once my contract expired. The problem was the season before last I didn't score enough goals so I strengthened the attack. This season I seem to be conceding more, whereas previously my defence was sorted and improved conceding less and less goals season on season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Thanks for the input - my issue is i am playing a career game where I have stated at my hometown club with the aim of leaving and returning later in my career if possible. I am so desperate to go out on a high. I gained promotion , overachieved in the first two seasons and the latter two am failing to achieve my expectations. I have an ageing squad and in my last season only got less than 10mill to spend. I know that next season finances will be tighter as the club finances are deteriorating. Therefore I am beginning to think that I wont be leaving on the high I wanted to once my contract expired. The problem was the season before last I didn't score enough goals so I strengthened the attack. This season I seem to be conceding more, whereas previously my defence was sorted and improved conceding less and less goals season on season. Well, if you overachieved and got into Champions League this means the club's reputation will have increased and the other clubs will take you more seriously by playing more conservatively against you. Hence your recent struggles may be tactical - you're in a bit of a pickle; you are tipped as a favourite but don't really have the quality to outplay the opponent yet. The tactic that got you up and gave you success while you were a relegation candidate according to the media is failing you now that you are tipped to do well, as evidenced by the lack of goals season four. It is probably good on the counter and solid in the back, neither of which will help you a lot against teams parking the bus; then a more patient and risky approach is likely needed. I am also curious why you have an aging team in 2017? I play with Leeds season four and I think I have two or three players left from those who I started with. The rest are generally too young to be trusted with consistent performances yet, so that's why I didn't get Euro-cup play the third season - too many blinders. The average age is 21 or something, but half of them are wonderkids... Have you been buying transfer-listed veterans and shopping around on the Bosman market? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave byrd Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I've always been of the opinion that there is no such thing as "taking a club as far as you can". It's just an excuse to give up once you can't meet the expectations or when you're bored with the save.You can win the league, win the CL, then do a quadruple, then again, and again. And then you set on to break Man Utd's record for PL titles and RM's record for CL titles. And then you win some more. Of course, it's not easy and it takes time, but you can't take your club to a point where you say "that's it, there's nowhere to go from here". There's always more. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazza Posted April 30, 2013 Author Share Posted April 30, 2013 I've always been of the opinion that there is no such thing as "taking a club as far as you can". It's just an excuse to give up once you can't meet the expectations or when you're bored with the save.You can win the league, win the CL, then do a quadruple, then again, and again. And then you set on to break Man Utd's record for PL titles and RM's record for CL titles. And then you win some more. Of course, it's not easy and it takes time, but you can't take your club to a point where you say "that's it, there's nowhere to go from here". There's always more. I agree with most of what you are saying apart form in the scenario where the board is not backing you anymore due to constantly not achieving your objectives and they don't have the required money for transfers and you are an ambitious manager. You have then taken the club as far as you can due to your own ambitions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirajzl Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I agree with most of what you are saying apart form in the scenario where the board is not backing you anymore due to constantly not achieving your objectives and they don't have the required money for transfers and you are an ambitious manager. You have then taken the club as far as you can due to your own ambitions I guess that depends on your managerial style. I've always been the one who buys exclusively young talent (under 18) and develop them, so I've never really needed the money. The biggest expenditure for me is always the time when I have to reward my world class players (bought several years ago on the cheap) with big contracts in order to keep them at the club. So, once I'm in a top flight of one of the biggest leagues, the money I get from TV rights and gate receipts is usually more than enough to cover my way of playing. I guess if you want to buy fully developed players from time to time, the lack of funds could pose a problem, but for me, it never is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 my issue is i am playing a career game . If that is so then a rl manager would probably now jump ship if an opportunity arises. But then I would not let my contract expire and be unemployed before taking a new position. A rl manager would try to avoid that risk. I can see however that this may become an issue when you want to return one day. You have to make sure that you don't end up on the club's dislike list... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazza Posted April 30, 2013 Author Share Posted April 30, 2013 If that is so then a rl manager would probably now jump ship if an opportunity arises. But then I would not let my contract expire and be unemployed before taking a new position. A rl manager would try to avoid that risk.I can see however that this may become an issue when you want to return one day. You have to make sure that you don't end up on the club's dislike list... What would be good in the game is when the offer a a contract came you could thrash out your transfer / wage budget along with board expectations there and then prior to you signing the deal However, at the moment Im in my 5th season and not had one job offer as yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanpr Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I have just won Premiership with Bromley (2028); next stop world domination..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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