Both teams wearing the same colors?

[jefflackey]

Did a search and didn't find anything: when you go into a match and both teams are wearing the same colors, is there a way to make one team switch kit colors? In a match, both teams are wearing all red, impossible to tell which team is which!

Thanks

[Lawlore]

No, there is not. It's something I've put in the wishlist thread a few times- the option to choose kits before the match would be most useful.

[scott MUFC]

had one in FM12 as East Stirlingshire, facing Alloa we had the same kit designs, and mostly black, the only differance was the colour of certain parts, mine were white, thiers was yellow, but we are talking small areas. not massive areas.

[QWERTYOP]

Something does need to be done about this. I know it's not something a manager can do, but it's really about player comfort & ease of use, so it should be accommodated IMO.

[Lawlore]

Something does need to be done about this. I know it's not something a manager can do, but it's really about player comfort & ease of use, so it should be accommodated IMO.

Well, you say that, but don't forget Sir Alex changing United's grey kit at half-time back in 1996 because the players couldn't see each other.

Since FM doesn't quite go to the level of including a kit man on the staff, I think this tiny embellishment from reality should be overlooked.

Slightly off-topic, an article relating to kit clashes: http://www.anorak.co.uk/353246/sports/when-football-kits-clash-changes-are-inevitable-a-history-of-soccer-disasters.html/

[Calif_Ramette]

Having that issue now, I am playing as Basinstoke in my red away kit while Eastbourne Boro are in their home kits...also red.

[FrazT]

If you are using an unedited database with no added third party graphics, please report this in the Bugs forum with a pkm of the relevant match, as this should not happen.

[Lawlore]

I understand how a clash could be forced by an edited team having both home and away kits similar, giving the game no option, but how would edited data cause an issue otherwise? Much as I'd like to provide pkms, they are from edited databases. Although the data is edited, there seems no reason for the game to struggle if there is a non-clashing combo with two distinct colours available?

[QWERTYOP]

If you are using an unedited database with no added third party graphics, please report this in the Bugs forum with a pkm of the relevant match, as this should not happen.

Think it's fair to say it's happened to pretty much everybody who watches games at some point. Surely it would be easier to give players the option to pick kits before kick off ala FIFA/Sensible Soccer than to try & fix a bug?

Just let us pick which kits teams wear before kick off. It'll solve this problem instantly.

[Cadijk van Kaarhandel]

If you are using an unedited database with no added third party graphics, please report this in the Bugs forum with a pkm of the relevant match, as this should not happen.

What’s the logic by which a change of kit is triggered?

An annoying one for me is when my Aberdeen are playing at Dundee.

Dundee wear Navy Shirts, White Shorts, Navy Socks.

Aberdeen normal kit is Red Shirts, White Shorts, Red Socks. There’s no clash there apart from with the shorts – not enough to warrant a change – but Aberdeen then play in a (mainly) black kit which clashes horrendously with the navy of Dundee. Aberdeen also have an all-white third kit which wouldn’t clash with Dundee....apart from the shorts again.....but that’s no big deal.

So does same colour shorts trigger a change of kit?

[Lawlore]

What’s the logic by which a change of kit is triggered?

An annoying one for me is when my Aberdeen are playing at Dundee.

Dundee wear Navy Shirts, White Shorts, Navy Socks.

Aberdeen normal kit is Red Shirts, White Shorts, Red Socks. There’s no clash there apart from with the shorts – not enough to warrant a change – but Aberdeen then play in a (mainly) black kit which clashes horrendously with the navy of Dundee. Aberdeen also have an all-white third kit which wouldn’t clash with Dundee....apart from the shorts again.....but that’s no big deal.

So does same colour shorts trigger a change of kit?

It would at least be interesting to know how the game chooses which kit to use, whether it's done by grouping colours, by tones, shade, or what. I can see no explanation for the example you've given, but it sounds easily replicable.

[mentalist123]

Fix this for Juventus please...

Juventus's home uniform is considered as black color uniform in the game.

Their opponent's wear white color uniform in Juventus stadium.

Adding reverse color option or main color option to database might be a solution.

[soccer.joel]

Try it in 2D just for that game

[Cadijk van Kaarhandel]

It would at least be interesting to know how the game chooses which kit to use, whether it's done by grouping colours, by tones, shade, or what. I can see no explanation for the example you've given, but it sounds easily replicable.

It can only be the shorts.

Dundee: Dark Navy – White – Dark Navy

Aberdeen 1: Red – White – Red

Aberdeen 2: Black – Black – Yellow

Aberdeen 3: White – White – White

The only thing that clashes is the White Shorts in Aberdeen 1st and 3rd kits. Its similar with Celtic, they’re in White/Green – White – Black and we wear the 2nd Kit when playing at Celtic Park. No need for that whatsoever.

I’d like to know what is set up in the game for Man U. They seem to be able to mix and match their kit. They play in their Red Shirts with White Shorts, with Black Shorts, with White Socks/Red Socks/Black Socks and any combination of such.

[Lawlore]

So, the game decides white shorts is a clash, and chooses the kit without them- leading to an unrecognised clash between the navy and black shirts, which is actually much worse. Got it. Sounds like they'd have to mix and match in real life, presumably putting Aberdeen in white shirts and black shorts or, failing that, red shirts with black shorts?

My issue stems mostly from striped/hooped kits, where white or black is one of two main colours, with a clash caused by the secondary colour. I've posted examples of a team in a QPR-style blue/white hoops playing at a team with plain blue shirts, and of a team in an Ajax-style red and white playing against a side in red/sky-blue hoops. In both cases, both teams are in their home strips, and the away side has a more suitable away strip. However, no clash is picked up.

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[Cadijk van Kaarhandel]

So, the game decides white shorts is a clash, and chooses the kit without them- leading to an unrecognised clash between the navy and black shirts, which is actually much worse. Got it. Sounds like they'd have to mix and match in real life, presumably putting Aberdeen in white shirts and black shorts or, failing that, red shirts with black shorts?

Nah, there's no clash. Shorts shouldn't (don't) matter. Nobody looks solely at the shorts when watching, picking out a team-mate, or deciding whether it's a foul or not.

[Lawlore]

Fair enough. Although what's odd is that, if you compare that with my examples, in both cases the teams have matching shorts.

In the blue case, both teams have white shorts with the home kit, and blue for the away- but both are wearing their home kit.

In the red case, although the team in red and white have red shorts set home AND away, the team in red/sky blue hoops do have white shorts with their away kit. Again, both are wearing their home kit.

Perhaps, if we're not going to be allowed to select which kit a team wears, the game just needs to be able to mix-and-match between kits a bit more itself, especially with shorts?

[Herbert Fandel]

Playing as both Derby and St. Johnstone my team regularly alternate shorts with the home kit.

At Derby sometimes all white, sometimes white with black shorts. I have a 3d kitpack installed but wouldn't expect it to be controlling the decision what to wear, or is it?

It all seem quite inconsistent based on your experiences