darcyburt222 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Hi guys, Don't know if anyone else has had problems with their board getting carried away with a little success. So I started off playing in the championship and done a decent job with Forest & Blackpool before getting offered the Burnley job in 2018. 2017/2018 Season - Offered the Burnley Job, they were sat rock bottom of the Premier league 9 points adrift, saved the club from the drop by 10 points. 2018/2019 Season expectation - Avoid relegation Final Position - 12th 2019/2020 Season expectation - Avoid relegation Final Position - 10th 2020/2021 Season expectation - Avoid relegation Final Position - 7th 2021/2022 Season expectation - Mid Table Position Final Position - 6th (Got into Europe) 2022/2023 Season expectation - Mid Table Position Final Position - 4th (Got into Champions League) 2023/2024 Season expectation - Win League or Title Challenge Final Position - Currently playing Now I understand that the board will want to push for more but come on seriously? Win the league?! They won't increase the ground capacity which only stands at 21k due to support and I am struggling now to keep bringing in new talent on a low wage. I am not sure whether anyone else has come across this before and how they dealt with it? There is no way I am going to win the league due to Man Utd , Man City and Chelsea spending 50-100m each season on new players and big wages. Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jibby123 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I think you can get away with a 3rd (definitely a 2nd place) if you go for "title challenge". But does seem bit ambitiously harsh, some chairmen are dicks though. I look on it as, if he's that much a dick then it's "goodbye, I'll be off then. Your loss" like any relationship. ....but that's not for all. You've done well to get that steady progress, I'd go for "title challenge" and see how it pans out. You might be pleasantly surprised? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajj 7 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I suppose they have based it on your progression, you've gone 12th -> 10th -> 7th -> 6th -> 4th -> so the next one would be 2nd/3rd which is a title challenge, so maybe you are a victim of your own success. I highly doubt though that even if you don't achieve this they will sack you as you must be like a Burnley legend. One thing you could do is ask for more stuff i.e. stadium expansion, facilities, more wage budget etc. If they say no, use the response that questions their ambition as you clearly have an ambitious chairmen, they will probably then say yes. (if you have the money). I do this with Cortese (Saints chairmen) all the time as he's very ambitious and it literally gets him to change his mind everytime he says no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darcyburt222 Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 I did select title challenge but I am worried as I only have a small squad due to small budgets and I am now in champions league along with everything else so my players will become very tired. It seems like this could be my last year with them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darcyburt222 Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 I suppose they have based it on your progression, you've gone 12th -> 10th -> 7th -> 6th -> 4th -> so the next one would be 2nd/3rd which is a title challenge, so maybe you are a victim of your own success. I highly doubt though that even if you don't achieve this they will sack you as you must be like a Burnley legend. One thing you could do is ask for more stuff i.e. stadium expansion, facilities, more wage budget etc. If they say no, use the response that questions their ambition as you clearly have an ambitious chairmen, they will probably then say yes. (if you have the money). I do this with Cortese (Saints chairmen) all the time as he's very ambitious and it literally gets him to change his mind everytime he says no. I have asked for expanding the stadium but they won't due to fan base but we sold 90% of our capacity in season tickets? We now own the stadium but not sure how this will help? I have around 30m in the bank due to selling a key player each year to balance the books, we are not losing money but each year I am having to strengthen in certain area's which is costing a fair few quid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QWERTYOP Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 A victim of your own success. It does happen sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajj 7 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I have asked for expanding the stadium but they won't due to fan base but we sold 90% of our capacity in season tickets? We now own the stadium but not sure how this will help? I have around 30m in the bank due to selling a key player each year to balance the books, we are not losing money but each year I am having to strengthen in certain area's which is costing a fair few quid Have you questioned the decision when they say no? like I said if the Chairmen has high ambition ratings and you question the decision for lack of ambition they might say yes if you have enough balance for the expansion. I wouldn't worry about it though I doubt you will get sacked if you finish 4th or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Title challenge is a realistic expectation after your steady progress. I'm guessing they won't expect much from you in the Champions League, so you can use your fringe/youth players in this so you can concentrate on the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darcyburt222 Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 Title challenge is a realistic expectation after your steady progress.I'm guessing they won't expect much from you in the Champions League, so you can use your fringe/youth players in this so you can concentrate on the league. I doubt I will even get into the group stages as I have drawn PSG in the final round! Does anyone know if i don't make it past them if I go into Europa? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadijk van Kaarhandel Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I doubt I will even get into the group stages as I have drawn PSG in the final round! Does anyone know if i don't make it past them if I go into Europa? Yeah if you lost in the CL Play-Off you go into the Europa League Groups. If you lost in the previous round of the CL you go into the EL play-off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jibby123 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Yes, you'll go to the Europa League if PSG knock you out (happened to Everton irl in 2005/6). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazza Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Mine have gone the other way. Im with Hull in season 6. Season 1 Championship - Mid table position - finished 1st Season 2 Premiership - Stay clear of relegation - finished 7th Season 3 Premiership - Respectble league position - finished 4th Season 4 Premiership - Euro Qualification - finished 8th - I changed board expectation to Champions league qualification did not achieve my objectives of Euro Qualification This is where it gets strange Season 5 Premiership - Respectable league finish - I changed expectation to Euro qualification - finished 8th did not achieve my objectives of Euro Qualification Season 6 Premiership - Respectable league finish - I changed expecatation to Euro quailifacion - season ongoing. What I found strange was in the last two seasons the board instead of sacking me lowered there own expecations even though I had grossly overachieved in my first few seasons in the Premiership Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jibby123 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I think a lot might depend on the chairman/board hidden stats (or least hope they do!). They have a 1-20 attribute of patience, loyalty, ambition etc, so the expectations and price of not meeting them should vary quite a bit from club to club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_123 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 nothing worse than over achieving the board want to much from you, with my hartlepool save i got 7th first season in the prem, really dont know how then next season they want euro qualification with a team that shouldnt have finished 7th and then i get the sack and 4 seasons later i am top of the german league while hartlepool are on there way to league 1 kind of enjoyed seeing them fall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darcyburt222 Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 I am glad its not just me that is having these issues, I will see how the season goes and will post an update. Hopefully I can finish in top 4 again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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