Sussex Hammer Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 I'm sure this has been mentioned before but the search facility doesn't work so well these days so I thought I would ask the question again. For as long as I can remember Arsenal always seem to become over powered in FM considering IRL they haven't won anything for 8 years, their defence is fairly poor and they are no more than a 3rd or 4th placed side. Certainly compared to Man United and Chelsea who seem to fade rapidly in the game. In my game which I have run for four seasons the Top Four are like this : I'm West Ham BTW. 12/13..........Man United..........Man City..........Chelsea..........Spurs 13/14..........Arsenal...............Man City..........West Ham.......Spurs 14/15..........Arsenal...............Man United......West Ham........Spurs 15/16..........Arsenal...............Spurs..............Man City..........West Ham (with one game to play) I'm praying!! Anyway, looking at that you could say the same about Spurs!! Whereas Chelsea have gone 8th, 7th, 7th since the first season and Man United go 5th, 2nd,5th. Certainly I find it far easier to get a result against Man United and Chelsea than I do Arsenal where they are always very good at the back, totally the opposite from real life!! I'm just intrigued. Is there a North London conspiracy at SI Towers? Are they all closet Arsenal or Spurs fans? There must be a coding where the AI buys the best players so is it swayed towards North London rather than further north where as I say Man United struggle to make the top four, Liverpool are always mid table and Everton invariably get relegated within 5 years?! Also I find some of Arsenal and Spurs players are far better in the game than they are IRL.. Giroud for example always seems to be better than Van Persie or Rooney in the scoring stakes and possibly the fact that players go downhill far quicker after 30 in FM may deplete the likes of Man United quicker where the likes of Ferdinand and Giggs seem to fade far quicker in the game. So any rhyme or reason for it or is it just happening like this in the games I play? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert Fandel Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 I think it is just in the games you play. In my EPL save Man City won every league until 2018, then Liverpool and Tottenham won one each. I think it is just all really random, and perhaps you, through absolute coincedence, didn't get such a wide spread of the randomness in your experiences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share Posted May 24, 2013 I think it is just in the games you play.In my EPL save Man City won every league until 2018, then Liverpool and Tottenham won one each. I think it is just all really random, and perhaps you, through absolute coincedence, didn't get such a wide spread of the randomness in your experiences. That's well interesting. I do wonder if we actually have a major impact on that as well. Bar one season the title race has been very close so considering I struggle against Arsenal they will probably take 4 to 6 points off me whereas I invariably take 4 to 6 points of Man United each season which makes a difference at the end of the year. Do you lose to Man City but win against others? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 I had them compete on the old database, because they got a sugerdaddy on my current Man Utd save they finished 7th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 I've reached 2098 so far, and Arsenal have won the Premiership nine times. So hardly dominant. And this is whilst being the richest club in the World for a long spell of time. Man City have pretty much dominated in the past - 15 out of the past 19 seasons, and plenty before that. I don't think I've ever seen Arsenal really dominate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Arsenal took until 2029 to win the Premier League on my current save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albion Rover Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 It's the 2028 / 9 season in my save, and Arsenal are going for 5 in a row, and from the way the season has started, they will do it. They also have a few Champions league wins in there too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Spiral Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 In 2018 atm, Arsenal have yet to break the top 3. They have finished as low as 8th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevMaaan Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 I'm sure this has been mentioned before but the search facility doesn't work so well these days so I thought I would ask the question again. For as long as I can remember Arsenal always seem to become over powered in FM considering IRL they haven't won anything for 8 years, their defence is fairly poor and they are no more than a 3rd or 4th placed side. Certainly compared to Man United and Chelsea who seem to fade rapidly in the game. In my game which I have run for four seasons the Top Four are like this : I'm West Ham BTW. Yesm they haven't won anything for years, but you could assume in the game you have played long enough for them to have finally paid off their stadium and now have cash to burn, they have a great youth setup, they have top scouts, and they (assumingly) still have wenger in charge, that alone imo is a winning formula. With man utd one could argue that their squad isnt actually an amazing squad player for player, its the fact that SAF knows how to get the absolute best out of them, and im not sure how FM can accomodate that. With chelsea they buy good players for an extremely high price, adding pressure to said player to achieve. How many different managers have chelsea also had in your save as the chopping and changing of tactics is sure to have a detrimental effect on their player performances. Lets be honest, without mata, hazard, cech and luiz they are not an overly amazing side, they have great players, but they are not exactly world class yet. They WILL be once they develop and mature, but in my honest opinion they are not at this moment in time. The fact you have already mentioned that you can't seem to beat arsenal could also be a major factor as they would gain 2 to 6 points from you per season. Yuo could also put it down to the fact giroud and chamakh always seem to score floods of goals in fm for no apparent reason. Im not an arsenal fan either, just thought i would get in before the floods of people thinking im a biased fan come in to comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 They've won the league twice and I'm in 2020 now. Champions league runners-up twice too. Think the league been shared between Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham. Despite winning the Champions League all the time, I dont think United have won the Premier League on my save. So no-one dominating yet, Arsenal have always been top 4 I think, guessing a bit because I aint on the game. More worried about England's dominance in the Champions League, only Real Madrid in the first season have won it from outside England. Man United x4, Man City and Tottenham won it during the next six years. Presently 5th in January 2020. Seems quite realistic to me but who knows whats going to happen in the next 7 years... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nie jem frytek Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Arsenal has a lot of money and is actually spending it in FM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevMaaan Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 They've won the league twice and I'm in 2020 now. Champions league runners-up twice too.Think the league been shared between Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham. Despite winning the Champions League all the time, I dont think United have won the Premier League on my save. So no-one dominating yet, Arsenal have always been top 4 I think, guessing a bit because I aint on the game. More worried about England's dominance in the Champions League, only Real Madrid in the first season have won it from outside England. Man United x4, Man City and Tottenham won it during the next six years. Presently 5th in January 2020. Seems quite realistic to me but who knows whats going to happen in the next 7 years... What leagues do you have active? If you only have the english leagues active that could be a major factor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinkerer Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 actually the top sides in my FM13 is Tottenham, they are now fighting against Man City for the titles Arsenal superior in my FM12 saves, for 8 season, the only challanger is Man City, meanwhile Man United seems found trouble after SAF retired Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelBrown Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Didn't win the league until 2024 on mine. Think they won 1 cup before that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furai Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 If you look it, Arsenal are perfectly placed to become big, especially in Football Manager terms. They have a very big stadium which they own, and very small amount of debt which they have nearly paid off. This gives them huge financial clout. In my current save, Man Utd are dominating the EPL at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.U.F.C....TSVR Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 I've really never seen an Arsenal side dominate on my games. It seems more city utd chelsea. Then pool arsenal spurs. At 1 interesting point in a utd save, wolves made it to 7th. Then 5th, 3rd and never really managed to affect city or united's fighting for the title. Wolves never even got took over either! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sthptngomad76 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Anyone remember how overpowered they were in FM09? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 What leagues do you have active? If you only have the english leagues active that could be a major factor. England, France, Italy, Holland, Germany, Spain. All as far down as the game allows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
css_matt Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 As said above, Arsenal are a well poised club in terms of finance and stadium. Also. Oliver Giroud. Absolutely over-powered. Whenever I play Arsenal he often gets at least 3 goals. Its ridiculous. Never seen anything like it with any other individual player in all my time playing FM games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Hopefully the Arsenal researcher will knock him down a bit, tbh Arsenal have always been a strong side in FM terms due to the financial reasons mentioned in this thread & imo some player ratings that are subjectively a little generous, add in the over-rated French research & Arsenal are very well positioned to be significantly better in FM than they are irl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccer.joel Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 As said above, Arsenal are a well poised club in terms of finance and stadium.Also. Oliver Giroud. Absolutely over-powered. Whenever I play Arsenal he often gets at least 3 goals. Its ridiculous. Never seen anything like it with any other individual player in all my time playing FM games. Giroud got 42 goals for me in season one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liamgannon Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Irl arsenal have the 2nd best defence in the league, they also have loads of talented youth players - everything about the club is geared up for success, just need a few experienced signings and they'll go from strength to strength. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liamgannon Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Oh and giroud out scored rooney this season in real life too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vector Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Hopefully the Arsenal researcher will knock him down a bit, tbh Arsenal have always been a strong side in FM terms due to the financial reasons mentioned in this thread & imo some player ratings that are subjectively a little generous, add in the over-rated French research & Arsenal are very well positioned to be significantly better in FM than they are irl. If it was for the Over-rated French research then shouldn't that affect Newcastle's performance too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Giroud is banging in goals because he is big and strong. That's the type of striker you want in FM13. The ones that move well and are first on crosses all the time because they have a "forcefield" around them that prevents tackles. City have Dzeko, he is the same kind of striker and in my save he became top goalscorer both seasons so far (2017-2019). Manchester United got tiny, quick strikers and Rooney. He is strong but not big enough and he drops deep so he isn't that often at the end of crosses on counter-attacks. The same with Chelsea. No target men and they don't use Lukaku. If you want to win the league, buy Llorente. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevio36 Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 I am playing as Arsenal and won the league in my second season. They make a lot of money during the season hence why I was getting transfer budgets of 30-40 million.we were also on telly a lot which is nearly a million a match and my D.O.F got some good players in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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