Picked up a knock.

[ademac]

My star midfielder just "picked up a knock", in a pre-season friendly. He was at 77% condition when this happened. I substituted him and his condition went back up to 86%. Then post match I get a message saying he is out for 5 to 6 months with a broken leg. Picked up a knock? I'm struggling to deal with alot of issues regarding this game. Everyday I seem to spot unrealistic or patently ridiculous situations. Still love the game but whilst these stupid scenarios hit me day in day out it leaves me with a few questions....Very frustrating:/

[casdelo]

Adrenaline can do amazing things. That being said a broken leg may not mean the gruesome injury that comes to mind first. It could be that he go an impact injury that manifested as a contusion On the pitch. Upon subbing him off the xrays showed a severe hairline fracture which would be a broken leg.

It isn't a perfect system by any means, but sometimes with a little bit of imagination it can make sense.

[Puni]

Although it may seem annoying, it's not that unlikely. I remember Fabregas slotting home a penalty kick against Barcelona with Arsenal while suffering from a broken foot. And I myself have played 75 minutes of football with what later appeared to be a broken ankle. Adrenaline makes up for a lot.

[Domus Clamantium]

On the other hand:

http://imageshack.us/f/11/nearlydead.jpg/

He nearly died.

[podunkboy]

On the other hand:

http://imageshack.us/f/11/nearlydead.jpg/

He nearly died.

wow, never saw a 1% before, worst I've had is a 17% requiring replacement, and he was fine to play 6 days later.

[Domus Clamantium]

wow, never saw a 1% before, worst I've had is a 17% requiring replacement, and he was fine to play 6 days later.

Yep, the game throws all kinds of weird stuff at you. Like my newgen keeper. Weighs 16 stone and is 6'8". He's 19 years old. Or this newgen player I found in Nigeria called ThankGod. That was his first name, and it was displayed exactly, ThankGod.

[MichaelBrown]

On the other hand:

http://imageshack.us/f/11/nearlydead.jpg/

He nearly died.

Injured for five years then?

[soccer.joel]

Injured for five years then?

More like career ending

[Herbert Fandel]

I strongly reject when people claim there are too many injuries in the game, but I do think SI need to work on linking the ME events to the injury suffered better.

I'm not 100% but I think they have acknowledged this themselves

[ademac]

On the other hand:

http://imageshack.us/f/11/nearlydead.jpg/

He nearly died.

Haha, where is the like button on these forums

[BiggusD]

Adrenaline can do amazing things. That being said a broken leg may not mean the gruesome injury that comes to mind first. It could be that he go an impact injury that manifested as a contusion On the pitch. Upon subbing him off the xrays showed a severe hairline fracture which would be a broken leg.

It isn't a perfect system by any means, but sometimes with a little bit of imagination it can make sense.

Although it may seem annoying, it's not that unlikely. I remember Fabregas slotting home a penalty kick against Barcelona with Arsenal while suffering from a broken foot. And I myself have played 75 minutes of football with what later appeared to be a broken ankle. Adrenaline makes up for a lot.

I know you are trying to "roleplay" explaining things to soothe yourselves here, but this is the kind of thing that annoys me on this forum.

The event that causes a cross-worthy incident in-match and the resulting injury is not linked at all. 100% randomly selected from an XML sheet or something, and the same sheet is used for both light and game-ending injuries but there's a higher chance of the dice roll ending on -none- . There's nothing more to it. The dice roll landed on broken foot and that's a severe injury, so he is out for half a year. If the "explanation" requires SI to have added several weeks worth of coding to get a rare event logical, it is better to assume that it is unintentional.

Another example is when there's a throw-in and the taker launches it into the air like a bullet at a 90 degree angle, and 20 seconds later it lands in the area. You could tell yourselves that maybe a gust of wind took it or that the player really took a sumersault throw-in but the graphics don't show that, or that the player invented a new technique that enables the ball to linger longer in the air, or that Kung-Fu Master is a hidden PPM... but what really transpired was something unintenional.

[casdelo]

Is it so bad to roleplay on a roleplaying game?

[Herbert Fandel]

Is it so bad to roleplay on a roleplaying game?

I don't think there is, within reason.

As in, it's OK to make the stories up so the game still seems real to you, but not to defend the developers' intentions.

So you can make up a story about adrenaline, which isn't even that far-fetched and indeed I do a lot of internal justification too, but the developer's can't really latch on to your story, unless they can show the game does actually involved such considerations.

At present, with injuries, the evidence suggests it is like BiggusD says, where injuries are just picked of a list by virtue of their "common-ness" rating with no regard to the ME event.

[themadsheep2001]

I strongly reject when people claim there are too many injuries in the game, but I do think SI need to work on linking the ME events to the injury suffered better.

I'm not 100% but I think they have acknowledged this themselves

Here is Neil's quote:

No plans for any future updates for FM13.

In regards to the injuries, I'd agree that perhaps to an extent the type of injuries isn't quite perfect and that's something which would require a rather huge overhaul of the entire system, which won't happen now for FM13 but could happen for a future version. However the problem with injuries is there's so much unpredictability in it in regards to the type and length in real life it's very difficult to replicate this realistically in the game. There is also an issue regarding news and the match engine linking up with certain injuries - that's a separate bug and one we're aware of.

In terms of the actual injury numbers compared to real life data from the last half a dozen seasons, it pretty much replicates it, so in quantity at least, there is no issue.

Thanks for taking the time to bring this up, but as said it has been discussed a lot in the past and there will be no future updates for this version of FM.

Biggus, they are linked, just not as well as it should be.

[BiggusD]

Here is Neil's quote:

Biggus, they are linked, just not as well as it should be.

He refers to a news bug, not to a link between what happens in the match engine (including knocks vs injuries) and the injury.

And casdelo - if I want a roleplaying experience I'd rather just launch Skyrim.

[themadsheep2001]

He refers to a news bug, not to a link between what happens in the match engine (including knocks vs injuries) and the injury.

And casdelo - if I want a roleplaying experience I'd rather just launch Skyrim.

He refers to two separate issues.

In regards to the injuries, I'd agree that perhaps to an extent the type of injuries isn't quite perfect and that's something which would require a rather huge overhaul of the entire system, which won't happen now for FM13 but could happen for a future version. However the problem with injuries is there's so much unpredictability in it in regards to the type and length in real life it's very difficult to replicate this realistically in the game.

And then.

There is also an issue regarding news and the match engine linking up with certain injuries - that's a separate bug and one we're aware of.

[MichaelBrown]

I strongly reject when people claim there are too many injuries in the game, but I do think SI need to work on linking the ME events to the injury suffered better.

I'm not 100% but I think they have acknowledged this themselves

Injuries maybe not, but I find that, if you make two or three subs in a game there's a very probable chance that you will get another injury rendering you to ten players. You might say it's my fault, but I shouldn't be punished with an injury just because I'm chasing a game.

[Herbert Fandel]

Injuries maybe not, but I find that, if you make two or three subs in a game there's a very probable chance that you will get another injury rendering you to ten players. You might say it's my fault, but I shouldn't be punished with an injury just because I'm chasing a game.

I'm sorry but this is total nonsense, there is no greater or lesser chance than IRL, you aren't punished with an injury, an injury happens if it happens.

Towards the end of a game players will be tired and at greater risk of injury, if you make three subs then that's your fault.

[MichaelBrown]

I'm sorry but this is total nonsense, there is no greater or lesser chance than IRL, you aren't punished with an injury, an injury happens if it happens.

Towards the end of a game players will be tired and at greater risk of injury, if you make three subs then that's your fault.

I'm afraid it isn't total nonsense. It's my opinion. I find that, more often than not, injuries will occur if you have made two or three subs. Like it or not, that's what I find.

[Herbert Fandel]

I'm afraid it isn't total nonsense. It's my opinion. I find that, more often than not, injuries will occur if you have made two or three subs. Like it or not, that's what I find.

It isn't an opinion though. An opinion is something which you have on an analogue subject. This is digital, it either happens or it doesn't, and it doesn't. Injuries are more likely to happen towards the end of a game when players are tired, the amount of subs you have made has no bearing

You just remember the times it happens and concoct silly theories.

[MichaelBrown]

It isn't an opinion though. An opinion is something which you have on an analogue subject. This is digital, it either happens or it doesn't, and it doesn't. Injuries are more likely to happen towards the end of a game when players are tired, the amount of subs you have made has no bearing

You just remember the times it happens and concoct silly theories.

Wait, so your opinion is definitely right? Haha, okay pal.

You talk about dreaming things up and you've somehow managed to work out that I make my subs at the end of the game. I don't recall mentioning that. Quote me where I have. Of course, you know what happens in every game so you just made that assumption.

[Herbert Fandel]

Wait, so your opinion is definitely right? Haha, okay pal.

You talk about dreaming things up and you've somehow managed to work out that I make my subs at the end of the game. I don't recall mentioning that. Quote me where I have. Of course, you know what happens in every game so you just made that assumption.

Well your logic weakens you argument further. If you are making all your subs early then of course you are likely to get injuries after, given that it will be a larger period of time.

You are now using silly reductio ad absurdum, I never claim to know what happens in every game. But, I am TELLING you that you are just falsely perceiving that the amount of subs you makes somehow induces injuries by virtue of you making subs alone, which is false.

[Veg1ta]

i find that if you make mistakes then the computer will punish you, so if your making all your subs early on then theres no surprise that on occasion you will get injuries you can no longer sub, your only asking for trouble anyway which such rash decisions early on, try keep 1 sub for 80 mins and beyond if your that paranoid about it.

[themadsheep2001]

Herb's right though, there is nothing aribitrary in the game that will make you suddenly get an injury, if you make 2 or 3 subs.

[casdelo]

He refers to a news bug, not to a link between what happens in the match engine (including knocks vs injuries) and the injury.

And casdelo - if I want a roleplaying experience I'd rather just launch Skyrim.

Obviously the system can always be improved. I'm just saying it is pretty good. You will always find flaws.

FM is a roleplaying game. You play the role how you choose, I just shared how I play mine to enjoy the game for myself. I find that this style lets me enjoy the downturns in form my team may have.

[MichaelBrown]

Well your logic weakens you argument further. If you are making all your subs early then of course you are likely to get injuries after, given that it will be a larger period of time.

You are now using silly reductio ad absurdum, I never claim to know what happens in every game. But, I am TELLING you that you are just falsely perceiving that the amount of subs you makes somehow induces injuries by virtue of you making subs alone, which is false.

Read again. I said that you are somehow assuming that I do. Maybe I do, maybe I don't. The fact is that you are reading things that you want to read to make your argument.

We're on a forum mate, leave the latin. I take it you never quoted me though. My last post on this, after all, I don't want you to tell me anything else with that superior intelligence of yours.

[Herbert Fandel]

The fact is my argument doesn't need to rely on your games at what you are and aren't saying, nor does faux-intelligence come into it.

The fact is that making subs does not of itself induce injuries. What you have noticed is nothing more than a superstition. Fact.

[johnhughthom]

I agree with Herbert. I've had the injury after 3 subs a few times, and it is frustrating, but it's my fault. It does happen to the opposition too, probably more than it happens to me if I'm honest.

As for the Latin, a lot of Latin phrases are in common use, and there is often no English alternative that doesn't come across as clunky. You may not like it, but people have every right to use it.

[Stewart91]

Read again. I said that you are somehow assuming that I do. Maybe I do, maybe I don't. The fact is that you are reading things that you want to read to make your argument.

We're on a forum mate, leave the latin. I take it you never quoted me though. My last post on this, after all, I don't want you to tell me anything else with that superior intelligence of yours.

I hear where you are coming from and agree with you fwiw.

Just ignore the dogmatic pretentious posts.

Podex perfectus es.

[BiggusD]

I am afraid that Herbert Fandel is right. We just notice more easily when we get an injury after having used all the substitutes. Confirmation bias. It doesn't happen every time we use all the subs. I use all my subs nearly every game and I can't remember the last time I had to play with 10 men because of injuries.

As for the "targeted injuries" I often feel that it happens to me, but truth to be told I don't often get more than 1-2 injuries at a time. Mostly, my squad is near injury-free. I had 4-5 injuries at the same time once last season, but it was spread over the whole squad so I didn't really notice. This season, all 3 of my right wingers were injured for 3-6 weeks at the same time. THAT I noticed, obviously. Probably confirmation bias too.

[OxfordUnitedFC]

I'm afraid it isn't total nonsense. It's my opinion. I find that, more often than not, injuries will occur if you have made two or three subs. Like it or not, that's what I find.

I've probably played about 13 seasons and it is very rare that i have found myself down to 10 men because i have a player injured after making all 3 subs. I do usually wait until the last 10 mins or so to make my final sub but that's just common sense to me.

[Puni]

I am afraid that Herbert Fandel is right. We just notice more easily when we get an injury after having used all the substitutes. Confirmation bias. It doesn't happen every time we use all the subs. I use all my subs nearly every game and I can't remember the last time I had to play with 10 men because of injuries.

As for the "targeted injuries" I often feel that it happens to me, but truth to be told I don't often get more than 1-2 injuries at a time. Mostly, my squad is near injury-free. I had 4-5 injuries at the same time once last season, but it was spread over the whole squad so I didn't really notice. This season, all 3 of my right wingers were injured for 3-6 weeks at the same time. THAT I noticed, obviously. Probably confirmation bias too.

Same here. Only one I can remember was my EL final against Getafe, 2-1 for them and a central defender who had to go off with ten minutes to go. Still edged the game though, equalised in the 89th and slotted home a penalty kick in the 119th minute. Best game ever.