Smartie Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Currently begining 3rd season with Villa and in UEFA cup. In desperate need for a left back and just need to confirm which of the two, Kolarov or Guilherme I want. Kolarov will cost me 15m and Guilherme 8.5m. Does Guilherme improve a lot as he is only 21 or should i buy Kolarov due to his great technical stats? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres_Is_God Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 I've got Kolarov on my Ipswich game, hes been very dependable for me so far. Havn't tried Guilherme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rugby1991 Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Guilherme can be a liability in defence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theincrediblehulk Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Use the Should I Buy/Sell thread mate. And Kolarov is the better of the two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purefun Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=30682 : Villa thread or Buy / Sell thread mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahno6 Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Kolarov is superb. One of the best LB's imo, only behind Evra, Bale and Traore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherica- Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 further more Kolarov are blessed with good set piece talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben5903 Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 You could probably get Bale for £15M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
killface Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Kolarov is one of my favorites, very very very good. Jeremy Mathieu is another good cheap one to check out. Criscito might be able to be had for a decent price too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theincrediblehulk Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Kolarov is superb. One of the best LB's imo, only behind Evra, Bale and Traore. Clichy, Chiellini, Maxwell, A.Cole??? :confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahno6 Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Knew would come in and say Clichy. I admit, I forgot Chiellini. Maxwell is on the same level as Kolarov imo. But Kolarov is a much better defender then Clichy. He is better in marking, heading, jumping, anticipation and decisions. Not too mention he is better going foward. http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=08172008210100lu7.png Kolarov compared with Cole. He is about equal in terms of defending, but cacks all other him going foward. http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=08172008210625tw7.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theincrediblehulk Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Ok, I know everybody has their own opinion and you're more than entitled to yours. But I would still like to point out a few things: 1. Just to correct you - he's hardly better at anticipation and is equal at decisions in that screenshot. 2. If you develop Clichy on your own, he becomes wayyy better than what he is in that screenie. Unfortunately I'm not playing an Arsenal save atm so cant show you. Its well known that if the AI trains a player, he doesnt become as good. That being said, Kolarov has got the same handicap in that picture I guess. But I know how good Clichy gets because of the number of times I've used him at Arsenal. Cant say the same for Kolarov as I've only had him a few times. My point is - screenshots are not a fair comparison unless you train both players yourself. 3. You forget the hidden stats the players have as well. They contribute a lot to how a player plays. Two important ones are "consistency" and "important matches". Clichy goes to high levels in both. Kolarov "important match" stat is very poor (consistency is about the same at the start). Combine that with another important hidden stat "pressure", Kolarov is poor there too. Combine all of that with his low determination, and Kolarov is prone to buckling under pressure. 4. Kolarov is better at crossing and long shots than Clichy. And Clichy doesnt reach that level in both departments (although crossing goes to 16 quite easily). Combine that with Kolarov having slightly better passing and creativity as well, you can be forgiven for saying Kolarov is better going forward (but read below). As far as defending goes, yes, he's better in the air than Clichy again. However, Clichy's marking easily goes to 17 and tackling to 18 by the time he hits full potential. But the most important stats that make Clichy a better defender he has better "off the ball" movement than Kolarov which btw, is extremely important for a full back. Add that to Clichy's much higher teamwork, work rate, positioning, pace and acceleration, Clichy is quite easily the better defender. Not to mention, that he can run all day without getting tired. And coming back to the point about getting forward, Kolarov is better at the technical side of it mostly. But Clichy's "off the ball" movement gives him quite an advantage over Kolarov because he's more likely to be in the right place at the right time than Kolarov is. Whats the point of having good technical stats if you're easy to mark? So as far as I'm concerned, Clichy is just as good going forward just because of that. I'm not trying to convince you about how good Clichy is. And I'm not being biased either even though I'm an Arsenal fan. But to say that Kolarov is better because he is better in the air than Clichy is not really a fair assessment. Anyway, to each his own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purefun Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Now thats what i call defending your point of view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahno6 Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Good post and good points. Let's just say Clichy = Kolarov. EDIT - Also , Kolarov's CA is 158 (175PA) in that screenshot, whereas Clichy's(178PA) is 171. So on second view, Kolarov could easily improve and get the upperhand on Clichy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theincrediblehulk Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 purefun Nobody belittles my Arsenal players and gets away with it easy! jonahno6 Thats only because Wenger has gone senile and has forgotten how to develop players! But trust me on Gael. Those stats are not close to what he becomes when I start an Arsenal save atleast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibabastyle2007 Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 I agree with Hulk. He is a really good player. The only time he wouldn't get into my team is if I had Chiellini or if Armand Traore reached his full potential ability Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartie Posted August 18, 2008 Author Share Posted August 18, 2008 Well I went with Kolarov and he's been doing well. I would of went for Bale but for some reason he left spurs for 16th placed Bolton! Thanks all for the help One thing Hulk, does Armand Traore become better than Clichy? He's one of those players I want but I can never get lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theincrediblehulk Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 Smartie I'll answer that question with a screenshot: That's him at full potential. And in case you didnt notice, I've retrained him to play left midfield too. If you dont do that, you can probably increase his defensive stats a little more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evon Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 Kolarov's mental stats are sadly lacking and though they do improve I'd rather have the likes of Clichy, Traore, Chiellini etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahno6 Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 Wow, I knew he become great, but he looks godly on the screenshot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theincrediblehulk Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 Yeah, thats the best I've ever got him though. Never reached those heights again even though he still becomes awesome. He looks like a left sided version of Daniel Alves on that screenie. I remember on that save I had Marvin Angulo and he too became VERY good. All of his stats were immense. I saved a screenie of his but cant find it. Will put it up if I do. But with him and Traore bombing down my flanks, I never really needed wingers. It was sheer joy seeing the two play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeCOYR Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 Kolarov (Ten Letter Rule) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartie Posted August 18, 2008 Author Share Posted August 18, 2008 I've got Angulo too aswell hulk and thought i'd found a right gem! Would be great if you could get that screenie up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wstussyb1 Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 What about Taye Taiwo? Have you ever tried him? and Hulk seeing how good you developed these players, good job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibabastyle2007 Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Taiwo is good but not as good as Hulk's traore. When I saw the screenie, my eyeballs popped 3 cm's out of their sockets lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherica- Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Armand Traore is on -9 so it actually takes some luck and careful development to let him turn out so good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam.1 Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Guilerme defenetly, he gets amazing, i had him in my game at real madrid an he was top dolla:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theincrediblehulk Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Sorry guys. Cant find the screenie of Marvin Angulo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goofus Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 I've had the undistinguished honor of having both, but at different teams. Guilherme came to me at Tottenham as an unproven left back at Vasco(i was at 8.01 then, and as far as i know, he hasn't changed). He slowly developed and was challenging Marcell Jansen for the left back spot soon. He was given a first-team place and flourished. I then moved to Barcelona, and in my 3rd season there, signed Kolarov as a 2nd choice left back. He was good, not excellent, but his free kick skills were uncanny, same as Guilherme. Guilherme's penalty taking and free kicks are excellent too. IMO, for an overall defensive left back, go for Kolarov. For a bit of brazillian flair, go Guilherme. Btw, Guilherme went on to earn many Brazil caps, but when he earned his first, he attributed it to me. The proudest moment of my life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jams1234 Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 I'm playing as Benfica and have signed both, Kolarov being the more expensive. Like he did for Goofus, Guilherme also attributed his Brazilian cap to me. Guilherme has me on favoured personel and I will let you know who performs better for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherica- Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 the distinct different of Kolarov is his set pieces ability. developed correctly his no. assists just get ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoopyPants Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 Who is a good right back for around the same price? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moaner Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 giulherme is my top scoring striker? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazza Pee Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 And a LB from South America Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahno6 Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 There is two. A left back and a AM/FC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
killface Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 Sorry guys. Cant find the screenie of Marvin Angulo. Marvin Angulo's only problem is the extremely variable physical stats. When I get home I'll post one of the best I've ever had him. I know he has around 17 in all the right places. However, I'm playing him as an AMR in that game, because I have too many good RB's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoopyPants Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I can never sign him Fails his WP every time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman10 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I can never sign angulo i hear so much and can nevery try him:( Does Kolarov go to lower prem teams? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahno6 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I can never sign him Fails his WP every time Angulo? Offer him a better role in the team, that should do it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman10 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Angulo?Offer him a better role in the team, that should do it? How can his WP be decided by his role in the team i offer Key player every time?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoopyPants Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I'll try - thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moaner Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 There is two. A left back and a AM/FC "I See", says the blind man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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