adidastar Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I complained bitterly about this in FM 13 and it seems nothing has been done. In my 1st season with Everton, i managed to rack up over 19M pounds in non-football ball. What the hell is going on? That figure is more than half my players wage for the entire year. SI had better fix this cos this can't be right. What exactly does non-football costs compose of, its high time we all know. 19M in my 1st season, what's going to happen over the next couple of years. In my FM 13 save i was forced to making ridiculous amounts of profit by selling players to keep my bank balance from going in the red. Most times, my net transfer was +90M but the non-footballing cost kept eating away all that profit. I attached a screen shot of this years finances. :thdn::thdn: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Dave Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Take a look at Everton's actual accounts. "Other Operating Costs" was about £22m in the last report that I saw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macshimmy Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 What exactly does non-football costs compose of, its high time we all know. Tony Hibbert's rare collection of 1920's shoes don't polish themselves you know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 £22.724m for the 2012 accounts, Arsenal booked £56.716m against the 'other operate charges' column on their 2012 accounts & Spurs came in at £34.438m. Getting a hair stylist for Wenger isn't cheap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurferJames Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 you can sort finances out in the editor, nothing is wrong with the finances anyhow, it bases itself on real terms from previous year such as what alex crawford just started Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagnusOpium Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I don't see why there should be both "non-football costs" and "other" categories. Really I don't see why there should be either. If money's going somewhere it's worth actually saying where. But there's certainly no need to have both incredibly vague categories... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auqakuh Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Isn't "non-football costs" things like wages for non-football staff? IE, the board, the tea lady... Presumably mostly the board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auqakuh Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I don't see why there should be both "non-football costs" and "other" categories. Really I don't see why there should be either. If money's going somewhere it's worth actually saying where. But there's certainly no need to have both incredibly vague categories... Pretty sure "other" is things like expense accounts for staff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chao Yang Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Yeah, having "other" in your costs is realistic book-keeping, I don't see much of a problem with that. Stuff like non-footballing staff wages, cleanup costs after games, expense accounts, travel costs, office upgrades, etc. still has to come out from revenue that is, by-and-large, all modeled in the game's finances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I'd love to be able to see the full balance sheet in-game but that's just me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmattb28 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Non-footballing costs are stuff like travel and accommodation, staff wages are incorporated in the wage budget. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters76 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 £22.724m for the 2012 accounts, Arsenal booked £56.716m against the 'other operate charges' column on their 2012 accounts & Spurs came in at £34.438m. Guess interest on loans are under other costs. And Arsenal do all kinds of charity stuff. They even have a school for kids with troubles on Emirates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chao Yang Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 An interesting thought just came to me, how does FM model tax-deductible charitable donations? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizza Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Take a look at Everton's actual accounts. "Other Operating Costs" was about £22m in the last report that I saw. Yeah, but that's because they're prepared under UK GAAP so are able to take advantage of certain disclosure exemptions. There's a danger of taking realism too far! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima92 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I think finances are fine.. as long as there is no bug like last years italian club finances problem i dont see anything wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korleone Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Yeah, i understand that exists non-football costs but i want to control them too.. try to find a cheap hotel, cheap food, cheap hairstilists.. I play with Cardiff anf my budged wages is 46 mil , and non-football costs is 42 mil.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chao Yang Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 While that would be a fun thing to add for LLM (especially WAAAY down the ladder), I doubt the manager at top level teams handle travel logistics on their own. Getting us to negotiate contract and dictate transfer prices is already a stretch. But can you imagine? "To save costs, Manager Korelone has decided to drive the team around in his parents' beat-up RV rather than spend 500 quid a game renting a coach." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eple Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Non-footballing costs are stuff like travel and accommodation, staff wages are incorporated in the wage budget. That would 'Travel Cost', surly? As far as I know it is wages paid out to non-footballing staff. Which makes sense since it's under the salary column now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 While that would be a fun thing to add for LLM (especially WAAAY down the ladder), I doubt the manager at top level teams handle travel logistics on their own. Getting us to negotiate contract and dictate transfer prices is already a stretch.But can you imagine? "To save costs, Manager Korelone has decided to drive the team around in his parents' beat-up RV rather than spend 500 quid a game renting a coach." Manager Korelone has also asked everyone to chip in a tenner for fuel .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonForever Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Getting a hair stylist for Wenger isn't cheap I always thought that was a hat... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Riz Remes Posted November 11, 2013 SI Staff Share Posted November 11, 2013 Non-Footballing Costs cover the wages of non-footballing staff at the club. This includes the board of directors, stewards, office staff, trainers, club shop staff, marketing staff, ball boys etc. that are not modeled individually in the game. The "Other Costs" category similarly includes miscellaneous material costs that don't come under the other separate accounts. These include for example insurances, gas/electrical bills, office supplies, training kits and such. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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