oneronaldo Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Basically speaking, I have set up three tactics for my United save. I've been well, quite successful with it so I'm not moaning about the game being broken etc. My tactics work well enough but lately I very occasionally find it tough to break down another team, my team will score eventually but at the cost of my strikers playing a 6.0 or something like that. So yeah, I reckon my tactics, while successful may have a few flaws in the system/shape and I don't want it to be a regular occurrence. So I was hoping the experts here can help point out some unseen flaws in my system and help me to correct it. The 4-2-4 The Idea: To overwhelm the opposition with endless wave of attacks, Much Higher Tempo to move the ball around quickly, Direct passing. --------------GK(d)------------- FB(s)----CD(d)----CD(d)----FB(s) --------------------------------- --------BWM(d)---DLP(s)-------- W(s)-----------------------IF(a) --------AF(a)-----DLF(s)-------- Attacking, Fluid Team Instructions: More Direct Passing, Pass Into Space, Work Ball into Box, Drill Crosses, Exploit the Flanks, Hassle Opponents, Mark Tighter, Get Stuck In, Much Higher Tempo, Be More Disciplined. Problems Encountered: As you would expect from a midfield duo, they might be overworked trying to control the middle. But thats negligible as I attack through the wings anyway. A bigger problem is my strikers sometimes play like the best duo to ever exist, the next game they play like absolute strangers. I have had those 2 men (CR7 and RVP) playing together since CR7 arrived in the second season (alot of unsettling, and a MASSIVE wage) for 4 seasons, I reckon thats more than enough time to learn how to play with each other? And the strangest thing is, they play **** against **** teams. The 4-5-1 The Idea: To gain better control of the midfield than the 4-2-4, to exploit CR7's talents in his position as an AML(IFa) as he isn't great as a lone striker. --------------GK(d)------------- FB(s)----CD(d)----CD(d)----FB(s) ---------------A(d)-------------- ---------CM(s)---AP(a)---------- W(s)-----------------------IF(a) --------------F9(s)------------- Attacking, Fluid Team Instructions: More Direct Passing, Pass Into Space, Work Ball into Box, Drill Crosses, Exploit the Flanks, Push Higher Up, Hassle Opponents, Mark Tighter, Get Stuck In, Much Higher Tempo. Problems Encountered: This tactic does its intended job (control the midfield better) well enough, but just doesn't score enough goals to justify being my main tactic. I typically only use this in European games or away games where the opposition want to pack the midfield. The 4-2-3-1 The Idea: The AMC is supposedly the key player in this tactic of mine, he is expected to create and score abit himself. --------------GK(d)------------- FB(s)----CD(d)----CD(d)----FB(s) ---------A(d)-----DLP(s)-------- -------------------------------- W(s)---------SS(a)/AP(a)---------W(s) --------------AF(a)------------- Attacking, Fluid Team Instructions: More Direct Passing, Pass Into Space, Work Ball into Box, Drill Crosses, Push Higher Up, Hassle Opponents, Mark Tighter, Get Stuck In, Much Higher Tempo. Problems Encountered: The AMC is not involved in play enough, I've tried AP(s) but if so he doesn't try to get into the box to support my striker. Trequartista was given a trial run in friendlies, but I wasn't convinced by the defensive work (or the lack of it) as that could leave my DMCs exposed. The Squad (at start of 2017/2018) GK: David de Gea, Ron Robert Zieler DR: Rafael, Danilo CB: Phil Jones, Eder Alvarez Balanta, Chris Smalling, Michael Keane DL: Luke Shaw, Fabio DM: Sven Bender, Marouane Fellaini, *regen* CM: same as above + James Ward-Prowse AMR: Erik Lamela, Wilfried Zaha, Danny Welbeck AMC: Shinji Kagawa, Adnan Januzaj, *regen* AML: CR7, Adnan Januzaj, Danny Welbeck ST: CR7, Timo Werner, RVP(retiring), *regen* Thanks in advance to anyone who can help out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Odom Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 The fact you want to overwhelm the opposition with waves of attacks, this will mean your strikers will get marked and will make their performances suffer because of it. I believe your problem is not 'ironing out some flaws' because the base premisse of your tactical setup is at fault here. You can get away with it, but it will not be easy. You can however be attacking while still probing the opposition and creating better chances as a whole. My guess would be, if you look it up in your analysis tab, that you get a lot of shots blocked centrally or put wide from narrow angles. That is probably the issue with your setup here. What I woudl change is, using one 'control' tactic where you will be creating a lot of space and having a more attacking version when you need it because you're chasing a goal. Personally, I don't like overly attacking formations and seem to thrive from more defensive setups where the good chances come my way, while the opposition will have to make due with what they get from mistakes in my defence. This results in a lot of clear chances for my strikers to score from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torskus77 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I agree, I have had some success with defensive tactics, or defensively stable tactics, if you can soak up what the opposition throw at you, you will create chances with the space they leave. Some of my best wins have come by exploiting teams that have attacked me from the off. It's teams that come to defend I have more problems with. I think the standard mentality is overlooked a lot too, I hardly ever see anyone say they use it, I played a whole season using that alone, just adjusting various shouts as and roles as needed, was always stable, and created plenty of clear chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneronaldo Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share Posted January 4, 2014 Interesting, I could change the 4-2-3-1 to Control. But would you suggest ditching the Much Higher Tempo shout with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I agree that there is just too much attacking going on here. Lots of people fail to realise that this isn't the only way to beat lesser sides. If you play the bottom team in the league, they are likely to play a deep, narrow, defensive game. It totally negates space for players stationed high up the pitch, so a chance of approach is often the key to these games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneronaldo Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share Posted January 4, 2014 Made some modifications to my 4-2-3-1, heres what I ended up with after some experimenting. So far nothing much wrong except my striker who is kind of isolated from build up play, but I need someone to run the channels/spring the offside trap so I'm not too concerned by that if he can still score. I'm open to suggestions, even though I'm currently quite pleased with this current set up, always willing to learn --------------GK(d)------------- FB(s)----CD(d)----CD(d)----FB(s) ---------A(d)-----DLP(s)-------- -------------------------------- W(s)---------AP(a)---------W(s) --------------AF(a)------------- Control, Very Fluid Instructions: Retain Possession, Pass Into Space, Work Ball into Box, Drill Crosses, Push Higher Up, Hassle Opponents, Mark Tighter, Get Stuck In Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooner4ever Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I'm not a tactical expert myself, but looking at your tactic, you might have too many specialist roles for Very Fluid philosophy. You should have no more than just one (for example you AMC). But if that works for you, go ahead and have fun! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneronaldo Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share Posted January 4, 2014 I'm not a tactical expert myself, but looking at your tactic, you might have too many specialist roles for Very Fluid philosophy. You should have no more than just one (for example you AMC). But if that works for you, go ahead and have fun! I do realise that, I actually tested out Rigid and Balanced philosophy but realised my team looked abit disjointed when pressing opponents/transition from defense to attack. So I switched it to Very Fluid as I want the whole team on the same wavelength when we attack/defend. Working so far, so I'm not complaining. Wonder how long before the wheels comes off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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