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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Keyser:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The theory is that he will be OK with Wayne Rooney, Louis Saha, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, Alan Smith and Giuseppe Rossi. Which is fine, apart from the fact that Rooney's got a dodgy temperament, Saha's injury prone, Solskjaer's played seven league games in the past three years, Smith has never been a natural goalscorer and Rossi's not ready. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

so painfully correct </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rooney's 'dodgy temprement' is a far overstated problem. And if we actually got the midfield sorted, Smith's lack of goals would be less of an issue. Sparky was never a natural goalscorer either, but the combination of him, Cantona and a far better midfield scored enough to win back to back titles.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JulesMUFC:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by James M:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JulesMUFC:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cesc Fabregas the Phenom:

Carrick and Senna to cost about £25m icon_biggrin.gif

Would you lot be happy with a midfield of those two? Senna seemed good in the CL semis, had a guff WC though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He only started in the first game iirc? Then was replaced by Cesc? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He started twice and appeared as sub in another </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

kk, i was just wondering how many appearances he actually made to be considered guff. Didnt make an impact perhaps, maybe not guff.

Anyway, what time is kick off today? MUTV (its pikied before someone has a go) says its 2:30 program starts, sky TV guide says 6... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought it was a 3pm kick off? I will double check online icon_smile.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by James07?:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by alilaw:

It's just one step from here to Gerrard </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ian Rush as our RvN replacement. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> FC United of Manchester - One Year On and Thriving

"FC United of Manchester have celebrated their first birthday. The anti-Glazer breakaway club played their first fixture on 16th July 2005 and since then the new club has been a roaring success."

FC United of Manchester have celebrated their first birthday. The anti-Glazer breakaway club played their first fixture on 16th July 2005 and since then the new club has been a roaring success. This year they are in a higher division and enter their first national cup competition.

It’s a common enough reaction among football fans to threaten to tear up the season ticket and stop going to games, so when FC United was mooted there were many who thought the move would never happen. The club has not only survived but thrived and hopes are high for another promotion.

This is still North-West Counties Division One football we’re talking about but when FC lifted the 2ND Division title last term they pulled in a massive 6,023 fans for the match against Great Harwood. There’s every reason to think that the club can average 4,000 for home games this campaign.

This is new territory because unlike AFC Wimbledon, the Old Trafford club still exists in the same stadium with minimal changes in personnel. What has been surprising is the reserve of goodwill FC have been able to draw on from those who continue to follow Manchester United. In very rough terms, Man United fans break down into five categories after the Glazer upheaval;

The Loyalists

A large group who view any attempt to break with the parent club and cut ties to Old Trafford with huge suspicion. To this section, the FC United revolution is at best wrong-headed and at worst traitorous. Will not be attending games at Gigg Lane under any circumstances.

The Indifferent

Manchester United are a huge club and it’s fair to say that many of the supporters don’t relate to non-league soccer in any way. For much of this group, FC United have no impact- many don’t even know where they play or how they are progressing. Others in this camp know of FC ‘s efforts and bear them no ill will; they just don’t see what the fuss is about.

The Straddlers

It was uncertain what relationship the revolutionaries would have with any Old Trafford regulars. In fact, a surprising number have chosen to give support to both clubs. One factor in this is the unusual pleasure of being able to watch a side at 3.00 on any given Saturday. Manchester United fans have suffered more than most from modern match scheduling. These fans represent a certain feeling against the Premiership in general, although not enough to make them want to abandon old allegiances.

The Disillusioned

Not just fed up with Manchester United but like many fans at other clubs, driven away by the excesses of the Premiership of which the Glazer takeover was one example. Still consider themselves Man U fans, although increasing numbers may not be able to afford to see games at Old Trafford. FC United offers a chance to keep the faith but at the same time connect with a more down to earth game.

The Revolutionaries

Hard core anti-Glazer fans who believe that the Glazer regime is wholly bad for the club and that still attending Old Trafford only digs the club into a bigger hole. Not prepared to go to Old Trafford under the present regime and broadly sick of many aspects of the modern game. A minority among Man U fans but their efforts have impressed many who still attend Old Trafford.

If FC keep winning they will draw more interest and might even create a 6th category of fan- the person who supports the new club and holds no allegiance, current or former, to Old Trafford. The club’s new youth set up will contribute to this goal.

By keeping the rhetoric anti-Glazer rather than anti- Man U, FC United have the potential to draw support from all but the first of the above groups and as their success grows the impact on the second group will greatly increase.

In this regard a match on 23rd September at Brodsworth Miners Welfare is crucial. This is the new club’s debut in the FA Vase and a chance to enter a national competition- one that was won last season by Nantwich Town, a team from the same division as FC will play in this year. Winning the Vase might be a long shot but a decent Cup run could raise the profile, alongside what is certain to be another push for promotion.

For the moment FC United can try to attract most Manchester United fans without those supporters felling a conflict of interest. Only if the breakaway club soars up the Pyramid structure can that happen. At the moment they can call on a core support and wider community that can make FC United the envy of every other non-league team. Year two should be another exciting prospect. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So what are you?

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Sir Alex Ferguson has confirmed that Manchester United are trying to sign Owen Hargreaves from Bayern Munich.

The England international midfielder, 25, is believed to be on the verge of a move to Old Trafford - if the two clubs can agree a deal.

"We have been trying to negotiate with Bayern Munich for quite a while now," said United boss Ferguson.

"And of course the boy has said he would like to join United. We would like to have him here."

Hargreaves starred for England last Wednesday as he helped the team to a 4-0 win in a friendly against Greece.

Bayern are reluctant to let Hargreaves go but he has made it clear he wants to join United and £13m could seal it.

Ferguson said the move was now in the "capable" hands of chief executive David Gill and added: "He's doing his best.

"You can never be confident but we are hopeful. We are dealing with a big club in Bayern Munich.

"The relationship between the two clubs has always been good.

"We would have preferred Ruud van Nistelrooy to join them because that may have helped us with the Hargreaves situation.

"That wasn't to be. But hopefully we can get something done."

Hargreaves returned to Bayern on Thursday where he was expected to reiterate his desire to move.

He is already understood to have had meetings with the Bayern hierarchy where he has stated his intentions.

And Hargreaves publicly signalled his intent for the transfer to go through when he said: "To play (for Manchester United) is a great opportunity and I would be happy if I got that chance.

"Particularly as an England international, it's of interest and you never know if such an opportunity will arise again.

"Now is the time to take the next step to develop even further."

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Foster 'can be world's best'

Watford boss Aidy Boothroyd says United's Ben Foster has the potential to become the world's finest goalkeeper.

The 24-year-old recently rejoined the Hornets for a second successive loan season at Vicarage Road, and Boothroyd feels it is the right move to cultivate Foster's promise.

"I believe Ben has the potential to be England's number one - and to be the best 'keeper on the planet," he said.

"We've had him for a year, and we will have him for next year. Sir Alex Ferguson knows he likes it here, and that he is learning and getting better."

Boothroyd believes a year of Premiership football with the Hornets will provide Foster with the only quality he currently lacks - top level experience.

"He has personality, presence and hunger," said Boothroyd. "He is willing to come back every day to improve and develop himself, and he can cope with the big occasions he has had so far.

"It didn't faze him, either, that he went to train with England. And I don't know many goalkeepers who can kick the ball as far as he can with either foot.

"The only thing he lacks is experience, and he will get that here." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Those scores haven't updated with today's results btw elmonzo, so all is not lost yet.

Two goals for my captain Rooney, an assist for Wes and a goal for that chav cunner Terry should put me nicely near the top though icon_cool.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JulesMUFC:

fancy picking me up too? Surrey on the way to manchester shirely. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Get to MK by 07.30 and you've got a lift.

I'll certainly be going more often now I know how damn easy it is to get a ticket. Whether it's planned before or otherwise.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Coldberg:

If he manages to continue his early season form I may have to jump on the CRIFB bandwagon. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is a CRIFB bandwagon?

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nick OGS20:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ajw10:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nick OGS20:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ajw10:

I don't see this as a bad thing tbh. At least this way you will see if the kids you have in your squad are good enough. Jones being a prime example. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jonah's really the only youngster we've kept, and his best position is the one we're arguably best stocked in. Rossi, Bardsley, Simpson, Martin, Gibson could all arguably have staked a claim in weaker positions had they stayed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

fair point, but you must have a recall option on these players surely? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Possibly in some cases. Probably not in others. They'll only be activated in the event of injuries anyway, so it's not really relevant. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I suppose, I didn't actually realise that you let so many youngsters out on loan.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snipersdream:

From BBC's rumour page:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">John O'Shea is a Liverpool fan, according to Reading's Stephen Hunt, who grew up with the Manchester United star in Waterford, Ireland. "Now I've dropped him in it," added Hunt. (Daily Mail) </div></BLOCKQUOTE> icon_biggrin.gif

There you have it, folks. It's an inside job. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nistelrooy_uk_10:

but but but john curtis has a CL winners medal?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I knew Johnathan Greening did, but does Curtis???

That's shocking if so. He was on that Cantona painting with Becks, Scholes, Butt et al wasn't he?

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The United Thread Stat-tacular 2006-7: Post-Vermin Vanquishing

Appearances:

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EPL ECL FAC CC Total

1. Edwin VAN DER SAR 8 3 11

2. Gary NEVILLE 6 2 8

3. Patrice EVRA 5/2 1 6/2

4. Gabriel HEINZE 2 1 3

5. Rio FERDINAND 9 2 11

6. Wes BROWN 6/1 2 8/1

7. Cristiano RONALDO 7 2 9

8. Wayne ROONEY 6 3 9

9. Louis SAHA 7/1 3 10/1

11. Ryan GIGGS 5/1 1 6/1

13. PARK Ji-Sung 1/3 1/3

14. Alan SMITH 0/2 0/2

15. Nemanja VIDIC 4 2 6

16. Michael CARRICK 6/1 3 9/1

18. Paul SCHOLES 6 3 9

20. Ole Gunnar SOLSKJAER 3/4 0/2 3/6

22. John O'SHEA 6/2 2/1 8/3

23. Kieran RICHARDSON 2/1 0/2 2/3

24. Darren FLETCHER 6/1 2/1 8/2

25. David JONES

27. Mikael SILVESTRE 3/2 1 4/2

29. Tomasz KUSZCZAK 1 1

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Goalscorers:

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EPL ECL FAC CC Total

9. Louis SAHA 3 3 6

20. Ole Gunnar SOLSKJAER 4 1 5

7. Cristiano RONALDO 2 2

8. Wayne ROONEY 2 2

11. Ryan GIGGS 2 2

18. Paul SCHOLES 1 1 2

5. Rio FERDINAND 1 1

15. Nemanja VIDIC 1 1

22. John O'SHEA 1 1

23. Kieran RICHARDSON 1 1

24. Darren FLETCHER 1 1

27. Mikael SILVESTRE 1 1

Own Goals 1 1

Totals 19 7 26

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Penalties:

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9. Louis SAHA 1/1

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Assists:

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9. Louis SAHA 5

11. Ryan GIGGS 4

8. Wayne ROONEY 3

7. Cristiano RONALDO 3

6. Wes BROWN 2

13. PARK Ji-Sung 1

18. Paul SCHOLES 1

15. Nemanja VIDIC 1

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At Fault For Goal:

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27. Mikael SILVESTRE 1

2. Gary NEVILLE 1

6. Rio FERDINAND 1

7. Cristiano RONALDO 1

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Clean Sheets:

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Charlton away (EPL)

Tottenham home (EPL)

Benfica away (CL)

Newcastle home (EPL)

FC Kobenhavn home (CL)

Liverpool home (EPL)

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Yellow Cards:

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EPL ECL FAC CC Total

18. Paul SCHOLES 2 1 3

3. Patrice EVRA 1 1 2

6. Wes BROWN 2 2

4. Gabriel HEINZE 1 1

5. Rio FERDINAND 1 1

11. Ryan GIGGS 1 1

15. Nemanja VIDIC 1 1

16. Michael CARRICK 1 1

22. John O'SHEA 1 1

23. Kieran RICHARDSON 1 1

27. Mikael SILVESTRE 1 1

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Average Goals Per Game: 2.75 (33 in 12)

Average Goals Scored Per Game: 2.17 (26 in 12)

Average Goals Conceded Per Game: 0.58 (7 in 12)

Games Won When Scoring First Goal: 8/8 (100%)

Games Drawn When Scoring First Goal: 0/8

Games Lost When Scoring First Goal: 0/8

Games Won When Conceding First Goal: 2/4 (50%)

Games Drawn When Conceding First Goal: 1/4 (25%)

Games Lost When Conceding First Goal: 1/4 (25%)

Games Won When Leading At Half-Time: 5/5 (100%)

Games Drawn When Leading At Half-Time: 0/5

Games Lost When Leading At Half-Time: 0/5

Games Won When Drawing At Half-Time: 4/6 (66.66%)

Games Drawn When Drawing At Half-Time: 1/6 (16.66%)

Games Lost When Drawing At Half-Time: 1/6 (16.66%)

Games Won When Losing At Half-Time: 1/1 (100%)

Games Drawn When Losing At Half-Time: 0/1

Games Lost When Losing At Half-Time: 0/1

Form

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Last Six (All comps): DWWWWW

Home (All comps): WWLWWW

Away (All comps): WWDWW

Games Unbeaten: 6

Consecutive Wins: 5

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Attendances:

Highest - 75,828, vs Liverpool (Premiership, 22/10/06)

Lowest - 72,020, vs FC Kobenhavn (Champions League, 18/10/06)

Total - 523,706 (6 games)

Average - 74,815

Rooney goalwatch, in association with the mongy British media

No goals in - omgz - 8 United games

Mart Leaving Early:

Sevilla home

Forthcoming Fixtures

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25.10.06 Crewe Alexandra (A) Carling Cup Round 3

28.10.06 Bolton Wanderers (A) Premiership

01.11.06 FC Kobenhavn (A) CL Matchday 4

04.11.06 Portsmouth (H) Premiership

11.11.06 Blackburn Rovers (A) Premiership

18.11.06 Sheffield United (A) Premiership

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Assists and at-fault-for's up for debate ofc. Suggestions for further stats welcome.

Added - goals for Scholes and Ferdinand, assist on Scholes' goal for Giggs, no assist for the second goal (convince me otherwise if you like), booking for Vidic, clean sheet, various other gubbins, huzzah

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snipersdream:

Isn't she just 14 or something? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

if she's old enough to bleed she's old enough to breed icon_razz.gif

15 anyway i think

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And today in the Mirror...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">TORRES UP FOR £25M

MANCHESTER UNITED boss Sir Alex Ferguson has made a new move for Atletico Madrid striker Fernando Torres - but has been told the price is a stunning £25million.

Now the Old Trafford money men are deciding whether to meet the valuation in January.

Fergie has resumed a quest to sign the Spain star, 22, as he realises they need more firepower to win the title.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No ****, Alex...

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika:

Would any of our defenders in the last 20 years have a case for being world class? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm going to stick my neck out and say no.

None of them has come close to Maldini in his pomp who's probably got the most legitimate claim on that sort of title in the time span you suggest.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by James M:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika:

Larsson can't play on Jan 1st, paperwork etc.

I assume he'll rest Scholes/Giggs against Wigan at least. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I presumed all the paperwork and the like is sorted, is it confirmed that he can't play? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>yes

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RedBlood:

Probably spent his last pennies on the match brief

Did anyone get the new RI either the other day or today? Is it good? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah but I haven't had chance to read it, Coldberg took it home with him icon_biggrin.gif

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Larsson wasn't marked if he passes early. only by the time he's been forced wide and has clearly made his mind up is Larsson marked.

frankly i'd query the 'has the ability to score from there' part too, he's possibly the worst striker i've ever seen when clean through on goal with time to think and i had no confidence whatsoever in him tucking that away, especially on his right foot.

i stand by everything i've said about him. lazy, moody, mentally fragile, needs a slap. he's a passenger atm

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mark g:

That would leave us ridiculously short of experience at centre back. Silvestre can gtf, but Wes should be 1st choice as back up centre back in case Vidic or Rio get an injury. Otherwise we're left with Heinze, who has never convinced me he could cut it as a premiership CB, O'Shea (enough said), and the two kids who are untried at this level (i believe Pique is generally playing centre mid in Spain?). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i wouldn't sell silvertire either tbh. chelsea proof this season of the dangers of only carrying three centre backs - although we have more players that are capable of playing there if needed than chelsea do tbf.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by matt_e:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by www2:

Dont understand why you guys are now attacking half of your players.

Now, I am not a ManU fan (infact I am AC Milan fan) but these kind of games come atleast once a year (for any club)where you are totally outplayed and your players look like a bunch of cr@p......but than next couple of games everything comes in order and you will see that they will all preform great.....including VDS and Giggs and everyone you just attacked </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thing is, those games all seem to congregate when we play a decent side away from home in Europe. There's something more deeper lying than us simply having a poor game tonight. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah what a terrible season we've had. mass clear out IMO.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LibLibertibe

Anyone else thinks it stinks a little bit knowing that at the start of this season Milan weren't even in the European Cup </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tbh I agree with that. I know it might just be a typical 'bitterness' quote from Man Utd fans, but in all honesty it was a joke when Milan were let in at the start of the season.

They obviously have since earnt the right to be in the final and in all fairness totally outclassed Man Utd even with the mighty Pippo up front. Fair play to them, but a bit of a soft one from UEFA (no surprise there then)

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Parker is nothing like Carrick. icon_biggrin.gif

And whenever I've seen Newcastle play this season Parker has been outplayed by a certain Nicky Butt. His passing has been shoddy and he looks no-where near his Charlton form.

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