The Manchester United thread 2006/2007 - featuring BBB leaving early

BBB · July 3, 2006

hahahaha, ******** tbh

alilaw · July 6, 2006

Gah

mark g · July 14, 2006

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nick OGS20?:

Because without the takeover, what was spent in January wouldn't have impacted on what we had to spend this summer because we spent **** all last summer.

Again, for the ****ing nth time, I reiterate that Fergie isn't blameless... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Come on Nick, last summers money was spent on Rooney the summer before, under the PLC's leadership.

Do you really think that as long as we spend the money in a certain month, it doesn't impact what we have to spend later in the year?

You know i'm no fan of the Glazers, but i have no doubt there's at least the money earmarked for Carrick to spend. If we hadn't strengthened the defence in january, that's getting on for Â£30m we'd have had this summer. Is that really so much less than we used to spend under the PLC?

You say Fergie isn't blameless, but you seem to be laying the lions share of the blame if we don't get someone this summer at the Glazers door.

olipepper · July 16, 2006

so is everyone majorly opposed to vieira then?

BBB · July 24, 2006

I wish Sir Alex Ferguson or Gill would come out and be honest with us and say "och aye we've nae got a pot to pish in" instead of stringing us along, Fergie would probably get sacked but he'd go down as a legend instead of a liar, Gill just a complete twat "yeah we'll get it done before the World Cup" and still people won't think "wow, these Yanks aren't actually good for us" but no he'll come out with

"och we tried signing a few players but sadly I was away sunning myself and David was giving Malcom a blowjob so we ran out of time"

same, tired excuses.

I swear I will go on the rampage if we get the usual "hit the ground running/can't afford to lose more than X amount of games"

ARGH

Razzler · July 26, 2006

I felt i should point at that Andy Cole is "unsettled" that's all !

RedBlood · July 27, 2006

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Manchester United: Glazers turn transition into decline by Antony Melvin

The Glazer family has owned Manchester United for around fourteen months now, and finally the reality of that purchase is starting to be felt by even the most optimistic of the 'wait-and-see' fans. The majority of match going fans were concerned about the purchase but somewhat reassured by the business-as-usual stance at the club. The management team largely remained and Sir Bobby Charlton urged people to be guided by results and not emotion.

2005/6 was a mixed season - with a good league finish of second (Chelsea were always going to win it last season), and a League Cup win balanced by an early Champions' League exit and an insipid FA Cup exit at Anfield. This was probably around the level that was expected for a team that had ceded its right to be considered the best in the land and was deep (if not lost) in transition.

But 2006/7 is barely three weeks away and transition is now being replaced by decline.

As we approach the end of the third transfer window of the Glazer reign, it is clear that the club is being squeezed so hard that decline is now inevitable.

Firstly the Glazers have dumped much of their personal debt arising from the takeover onto the club, the rearrangement of the finances last week rolled Â£63m interest into the debt - but cunningly - the same amount was additionally secured against the football club. In simple terms all the interest that was piling up on the Glazers has simply been pushed onto the club. Anyone with the glib argument of 'why would they sink so much of their own money into the club only to run it into the ground' needn't bother repeating it, it won't be long before the Glazers will have no financial risk attached to this deal.

Secondly as a result of annual interest payments now reduced to, reportedly, 'just' Â£42m per season the squad cost cutting is rampant. As many reserves as possible are being farmed out on loan, and fringe players are being sold or released. There are fewer professionals at Old Trafford than there have been for the length of Sir Alex Ferguson's stewardship. Increasingly Ferguson is being forced to draw the wagons around his first team squad and (very much like the dog-days of Ron Atkinson) to hell with the rest.

Revenues have been driven remorselessly up with a few million extra from sponsorship, plenty more from TV - and a big increase in ticket prices (up 25% in two seasons), so the cost cutting is a policy not a reaction to falling revenues.

The cost cutting and penny-pinching is indicative of a structure that is short of cash. I've always believed that The Glazers bought the club with the intention of selling it within three years for a big profit - and the abject transfer market dealings this summer simply support this theory.

With Liverpool spending Â£20m and Chelsea another Â£50m, Manchester United have actually become nett sellers. A team that so obviously needs two high quality central midfielders has spent the summer not buying anyone. To my knowledge only one bid has been made all summer - around Â£10m for Michael Carrick - with United spending more energy in trying to flog Ruud van Nistelrooy than in trying to buy in anyone. It certainly seems that the orders from on high are 'sell-before-you-can-buy' - hardly what you expect from a billionaire and his boys, and not a policy designed to improve the club.

United stand on the cusp of the season likely to lose their serial top scorer - without replacing him - and without a midfield to dominate anyone but the relegation candidates. Looking dispassionately at the midfield only Ronaldo is international or world class - the rest are solid Premiership quality players, but hardly world beating. Chelsea can choose from Essien, Makelele, Robben, Lampard, Ballack, Wright-Phillips, Mikel and Cole - any three of which could stroll into the United midfield.

Last summer two small purchases (van der Sar, Park) were offset by similar sales (Neville, Kleberson); in January the gaping defensive holes were iffily plugged with Vidic and Evra costing around Â£12m.

This summer the sales of Mikel, Spector and probably van Nistelrooy, balanced by the probable purchase of Carrick, will leave United with a nett transfer budget of nothing since the arrival of the Glazers. At a time when United need completely rebuild the midfield, Ferguson is expected to fund it from sales. Can anyone seriously expect Ferguson to compete with Chelsea or Liverpool on that basis?

Most Premiership clubs spend millions and even tens of millions oper season (Chelsea are an exception); while United stroll everyone else is sprinting - extrapolate this for a couple of seasons and Manchester United will be in mid-table.

The number of United fans who believed in some mythical Â£25m annual transfer budget must now be falling daily. The reality is that United are being run at about break even in their transfer dealings regardless of the need. This would explain the reason that Ferguson is refusing to countenance Ronaldo leaving. Despite the winger's obvious difficulties with English football, Ferguson knows that he will probably not be allowed to use the proceeds of a sale to replace him.

Next summer when ticket prices go up Â£100 for the third season running, with a team in decline and every penny from a support that is being soaked remorselessy going to pay off debt hoisted on to the club by their 'owners' everyone can draw their own conclusions. A club that was self-reliant, debt-free and funded by its fan-base two years ago is now a debt-driven monster.

As Ferguson's hands are tied in the transfer market it may be unfair, but expect the 'Fergie out' chants to start ringing round the stadium as soon as he has celebrated twenty years in charge - with the nasty songs about the Glazers expected to be resumed somewhat sooner. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nick OGS20 · July 29, 2006

Yeah, I heard that. Fair enough, as long as he gets some time on Monday or in Amsterdam

Father Senegal · August 3, 2006

I went to Liverpool on Monday and it was horrible.

Nick OGS20 · August 16, 2006

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gary Toner:

Bardsley any good? Apparently at Murray park just now to finalise a loan move to Rangers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He could be, hasn't really played week-in week-out for ages now but the potential's there. Bit of a flash bastard though, thinks he's made it already by all accounts.

Move could be good for him, surprised we're sanctioning it though with doubts over Neville and Simpson off to Antwerp, and I'm a bit surprised you're in for him, not sure how much if an improvement he is over Hutton in the short-term.

mark g · August 23, 2006

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gonch19:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mark g:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gonch19:

Keane - 10

Best - 9

Cantona - 8

Giggs - 7

Scholes - 6

Yorke - 5

Solskjaer - 4

Beckham - 3

Van Nistelrooij - 2

Cole - 1

man thats tough, so many good players to think of, blatantly missed someone out </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only players you watched, Gonch. And seeing Bestie ****ed up on Wogan doesn't count. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

gah, you're even 1 step ahead of my own train of thought

watched live or tv allowed? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think the simplest and fairest definition would be that you followed the team during a season in which they played.

But it's James' survey, so you'll have to ask him.

Saha · August 24, 2006

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tarbanrael:

Fletcher is a ******! He really does not have much going for him (except that Fergie is a Scott too). Sell him to Celtic and get Malbranque instead! WE'd even make a profit... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ngngngngnngg

BBB · August 24, 2006

He called me fat, I'm knocking a fiver off the bet.

Saha · August 25, 2006

Well Mickalus Carrickmundo would be there to do the intercepting and breaking play up stuff, not Dazzle.

theis · August 31, 2006

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mrgrapefruits:

Right lads we need re-inforcements. Cleary even Bauer isn't strong enough on his own to get past David Gill's evilness.

Any chance President Palmer isn't dead. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wheres John McClane?

**** terrorism. We're deep in it here and he's the only person strong enough to save us now.

No Longer Bling · September 1, 2006

city centre is lovely tonight, i like coldberg will be venturing out without a jacket shortly

No Longer Bling · September 2, 2006

going down the village for a lads birthday tonight bbb so ill look out for an angry manc dancing on tables singing the alan shearer song

ACou2000 · September 5, 2006

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by theis:

Basically the best quotes to with football. EVER. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That truly is pure comedy gold.

Keyser · September 7, 2006

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JulesMUFC:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB:

Nothing will happen on Saturday, the majority don't care and will still sing "Every single one of us" he's sold out big time, he could have stood down when he was "opposed" to the takeover and gone down as a hero, instead he stayed and is killing his legacy/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

your deluded if you think that ever crossed his mind. thats utter ********, its non senseica if you think that was the best thing for the club. The club would've turned into complete turmoil if he had resigned and come out and said what?

There are similaritys to this about when we floated on the stock market? Would you have expected him to resign then? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

TESTIFY BROTHER

JulesMUFC · October 5, 2006

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by James07?:

ah, no. But I'm looking forward to hearing it.

(was trying to work out which players have GA as their initials) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i did the same thing, then i realise martin was a colossus homo and it pointed in only two directions, GA or LA.

BBB · November 18, 2006

yeah me too, ones with English commentary are better \o/

Taz & The Devil · November 18, 2006

Todays Match Stats

Sheffield United Team Name Manchester United

1 Goals 2

2 Shots on target 10

2 Shots off Target 7

1 Blocked Shots 5

0 Corners Won 14

19 Total Fouls 13

0 Offsides 0

1 Yellow Cards 1

0 Red Cards 0

38% Possession 62%

</pre>

Nick OGS20 · December 4, 2006

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andy Jordan:

haha Man Utd supporters so hurt by the simple rules of economics </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha jordan so completely out of his depth amongst actual football supporters

mark g · December 6, 2006

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hairwad:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ACou2000:

Do you see where the mistake is in threatening aforementioned qualification by playing a formation that has proven to be sh*te on numerous occasions? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I remember 442 being sh*te until 1999. It's very easy to hide behind tactics. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What?

James07? · December 10, 2006

Christiano Ronaldo has been spotted with Hernan Crespo and Peter Crouch at a seal sanctuary in the Fens - staff there have named the latest addition after the well-groomed Manchester United winger. (The People)

Taz & The Devil · December 14, 2006

So Fergie has come out and named 5 world class players he managed at United. Those being Schmeichel, Keane, Cantona, Giggs and Rooney.

He also said Cristiano will become world class and maybe there is a case for Scholes.

AllStar4 · December 22, 2006

How long will the papers keep printing this Â£25 million per year garbage despite it clearly being false? It ****es me off almost as much as the periodic statements by Ferguson and Gill defending the Glazers or mentioning how things work so much better now that the club is not a PLC. There is no good way to spin Â£600+ million of debt.

Wilbie · December 23, 2006

i'm watching this live - we are sh*te but can see us knicking it as Villa have no bottle.

Gazz22 · December 30, 2006

What's the latest on Saha? Is he injured? It seems he has been missing for a good while.

Maverick · January 5, 2007

Channel M has Andy Crane, which automatically makes it awesome.

Not that I ever actually watch it, mind.

Mika · January 7, 2007

Blanc 36/37

Mika · January 8, 2007

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> FERGUSON LOOKING FOR DOUBLE TREBLE

Sir Alex Ferguson has admitted he is setting his sights on a remarkable treble - eight years after he last led Manchester United to the feat.

United are still in with a chance of glory in the Champions League and the Barclays Premiership and completed a 3-1 win over Aston Villa on Sunday to reach the fourth round of the FA Cup.

United famously won all three competitions in 1999 and many pundits predicted it would be a once-in-lifetime achievement for the Scot.

But with a six-point lead over Chelsea in the league and a two-leg clash with unfancied Lille standing between them and a place in the last eight of the Champions League, Ferguson is ready to try again.

Ferguson said: "We must have a go at it (the treble).

"There is no point in being negative, let's enjoy it.

"We have a good squad of players and are playing some terrific football."

Domestically, Ferguson is pleased to have maintained his side's lead over the reigning champions and expects United to improve even more in the second part of the season.

"We need to achieve consistency over the second half of the campaign," he added

"Historically we do okay at this point. In the past, even if we have been erratic earlier in the season, we seem to have drawn a second wind.

"I am sure our present position will drive us on even more. We are pleased to be where we are.

"We are here for the long haul plus we have youth and strength on our side. We are fully capable of winning the championship."

Despite his confidence, Ferguson is already awaiting the Chelsea backlash.

"Chelsea will come back at us. The key is our own form and what we do ourselves.

"If we do it right, we do not need to keep looking over our shoulder."

Striker Louis Saha is expected to return to training this week following a groin strain and could come into contention at the weekend as Villa face United for the second time in a week.

Goalkeeper Edwin Van der Sar and Paul Scholes look certain to return to the side after being rested for the FA Cup game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's us screwed then

James M · January 9, 2007

holding midfielder. and, errr, if flamini can...

Nick OGS20 · January 22, 2007

jings, just noticed in the 'british players abroad' thread someone talking about Kenny Cooper - seems he made his debut for the US (and scored) on Saturday

either the US are very short on strikers or he's improved immensely since he left us a year or so ago

McMaster#28 · January 27, 2007

Has Dong even played a reserve game for you since his work-permit came through?

ACou2000 · February 10, 2007

Blatantly Fletcher right, Park/Scholes centre, Rooney left and Giggs up front

gonch19 · February 13, 2007

ferdinand out, jonny evans in in a 95'esque style shocker

alilaw · February 15, 2007

See, this thread's well boring without Ruud related mongery.

Let's have a sweepstake - who will finish as United's top goalscorer in all competitions at the end of the season, and how many goals will he have?

I'm backing King Louis to get 22, overtaking a clearly Barca-bound Ronaldo

BBB · February 27, 2007

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by James07?:

Stop it!

Stop it! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

Bagpuss · April 15, 2007

Bugger

the youth cups on telly tomorrow not when i'm bloody working

what times KO??

might try and sneak a half shift or is it a two legger anyway

deanb291186 · April 25, 2007

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nick OGS20:

hmm, only two miles from station to stadium according to their website, that's doable in half an hour. might have to go on a recce over the summer if this definitely happens.

where did you hear about it dean btw? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heard about it on the FC forum, its been a rumour for a while apparently, Ive heard from some at FC who have heard from Hyde they arnt too impressed with us at their place and would welcome FCUM with open arms.

Im from just round the corner from Northwich, and it is really a long walk, and Ive been there with FC and to Wittons ground, which is practically next door, getting off at Lostock which is a request only stop most of the time is probably the closest walking

James07? · April 26, 2007

If I'm stood in Athens at 11pm on the 23rd watching Gary Neville lifting the trophy I'm not sure I'll really care what happened in the two weeks before...though it'll be bloody painful getting to that position if we've lost both the league and the cup.

ACou2000 · April 30, 2007

heh going back to last summer is hugely entertaining

for the record...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ACou2000:

Don'tsellRonaldo.Don'tsellRonaldo.Don'tsellRonaldo.Don'tsellRonaldo.Don'tsellRonaldo.Don'tsellRonaldo. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ACou2000:

One thing that seems a bit stupid is the 'kick him out ASAP' b*llocks.. who the hell do you plan to replace him with? .. Unless of course you dont care if we get a replacement at all, in which case I feel the Ronaldo hate is clouding your judgement as to what's best for the team. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ACou2000:

tbh I think with the good midfield partner we STILL need to buy.. Scholes could still offer a fair bit </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rb · May 6, 2007

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSS!

the_cote_kid · May 9, 2007

Fergie proving his senility with his 'absolute certainty' that AC Milan will win the Champions League Final coming just three days after this;

Fergie, as befits a cautious Scot and a diplomatic one, is sitting on the fence. 'Liverpool are hard to beat,' he said. 'They will set out to be hard to beat in the final. Milan have got fantastic quality and in Kaka and Seedorf they have a couple of special players, but there's two teams with different styles and it's a very difficult game to call. I wouldn't put a penny on it.'

pjburrage · May 25, 2007

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JulesMUFC:

you're the only one that ever mentions klose ever pj, ergo he is ****. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed 4* quality, probably even 5*.

Nick OGS20 · May 26, 2007

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB:

I'd nominate Nick but he'll be employed.

ah well we can wait a week </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

you can do it when you decide you cba to go in and do all this overtime you've been getting giddy about.

Nick OGS20 · May 31, 2007

sharing second place are nobody and that bird off big brother. how apt. poor Mickey So Fine also joins them in the shadow of a near unanimous winner.

your winner needs no introduction, and as such won't get one. congratulations Kieran Richardson, quite possibly the only award you will ever win, SAVOUR it.

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