ACou2000 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 ahaha. worst wind up ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericcantona7 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 you're kidding right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjburrage Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Mart itching to bite. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB: t's just a shame that a hell of a lot of the fanbase doesn't gaf about the Glazers and are blinded that the fact we are top of the league. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Something from the Liverpool when discussing their impending takeover. The opposite is also true though, a minority of the fanbase will not listen to anything on the other side of the 'divide', blinded by their pure hatred of the Glazer's and what they have done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Go-Go: Grrr I knew you would fence-sit, go wild, be hypothetical. Hmmm I'm not so sure you won't win it you know, Glazer's have made such an impact already, if they keep investing at the curent rate another treble would seem imminent. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> What investment would that be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go-Go Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Clearly, I'm still in shock your doing so well seeing as your transfer activity consisted of Carrick in and RVN out, I well wanted Torres to come to the Premiership, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE £25 MILLION EH. But yeh, can understand how you hate Glazer's, their clearly bad for the club, but I think all the "their *****" etc is a bit harsh - it's just a business for them, nothing personal. I know why you hate them - because you love the club so much but think the personal vitriol (sp?) is a bit OTT at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go-Go Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Haha guys I was clearly joking for feck sake, I'm a regular thread lurker! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 why is it? We went from being the richest club in the world to having a monster debt attatched to us, we went from buying the likes of Rooney, Van Nistelrooy, Ferdinand to getting a 35 year old in on loan. They've said in the past that the fans are important and how many times have they, not their "spokespeople" spoken to the fans? Just once, a **** poor MUTV interview with Joel Glazer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 well I've already had enough of the utter farce that getting tickets has become.. and I fully blame them for that so yea - they are massive massive twats Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 haha the MUTV interview Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go-Go Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Meh still don't think the personal hate can be justified but doubt I will change your mind. Pfft, Larsoon is AWESOME. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 It really riled me last week when not ONE person hurled abuse at the gimps as they left OT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I hurled abuse when they showed them in their comfy seats on TV Doubt they heard though :*( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go-Go Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Right gotta go and take back a road sign vigilante style, when I look again tommorow I want in-depth answer's to my question. 2000 words should be enough mark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ACou2000: oh and as I'm not in the North, we will definitely win fact </div></BLOCKQUOTE> And I'm going :*) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ACou2000: oh and as I'm not in the North, we will definitely win fact </div></BLOCKQUOTE> And I'm going :*) </div></BLOCKQUOTE> what a special day :*) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjburrage Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ACou2000: oh and as I'm not in the North, we will definitely win fact </div></BLOCKQUOTE> And I'm going :*) </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Rain And Mart if not ONE person hurled abuse at them, are you riled at yourself aswell? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 fo, I shouted abuse at them, noone else did, sickened me tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 it was always gonna rain ffs.. match day, mid December, Manchester. Mika going is irrelevant to that forecast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjburrage Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB: fo, I shouted abuse at them, noone else did, sickened me tbh </div></BLOCKQUOTE> what did everyone else do? stay quiet, or carry them out on their shoulders? Did you have a go at Johnny and other OTFers who were there who didn't join in with your vocal protest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 stayed quiet, did nothing. Nick was fuming, ditto Jonny but didn't join in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick OGS20 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pjburrage: Mart itching to bite. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB: t's just a shame that a hell of a lot of the fanbase doesn't gaf about the Glazers and are blinded that the fact we are top of the league. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Something from the Liverpool when discussing their impending takeover. The opposite is also true though, a minority of the fanbase will not listen to anything on the other side of the 'divide', blinded by their pure hatred of the Glazer's and what they have done. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> what's to listen to on the other side of this divide then? the Glazers are nothing but bad news Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Jimlad Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ACou2000: well I've already had enough of the utter farce that getting tickets has become.. and I fully blame them for that so yea - they are massive massive twats </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Agreed. Someone want to give Go-Go the spending balance on the team post-Glazer? And if that wasn't bad enough the ****ing massive loans they've attached to the club shows that they are **** businessmen. In a lot of ways I think that unless Fergie goes rapidly psycho I don't want him to leave or think that we should be very actively looking for a successor. At least with him in charge if things go so bad that the club begins to go tits up (mass sales of key assets etc. & actually thinking about that phrase I'm not sure when a higher breast line has ever been worse than a sagging one...sorry back on topic) if he decided to stay I at least think we'd keep our heads above water in the Prem. The other side of it is has anyone produced a hypothetical where or when the debts will hit their ceiling mark of manageability (sp?) for the club even if we maintain CL qualification and QF performances + top 3 Prem every year? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick OGS20 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 eh, f**k off mart you made your displeasure no more vocal than me and jonny did, stfu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alilaw Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ericcantona7: I've got one for louis, in true Alan Partridge style. Scoring one Scoring two Saha! </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Stealing from Redcafe? The lowest of the low my friend... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Will be the third time that I've seen us play Wigan in 12 months and it was 4-0 the other two times, so mon a hat-trick please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I shouted **** off glazers, not quite a protest but still, tbf Jonny was more interested in getting Richardsons autograph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick OGS20 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 shouted you were too scared of getting manhandled by the meathead steward. hardly the one-man protest you're making it out to be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Jimlad Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Sorry, unfinished post...meant to say that any major financial problems could be at a point where its definitely going to be post-Fergie anyway. The point is I trust Fergie not to let the club go completely to the dogs while the playing side buck stops at his desk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjburrage Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nick OGS20: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pjburrage: Mart itching to bite. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB: t's just a shame that a hell of a lot of the fanbase doesn't gaf about the Glazers and are blinded that the fact we are top of the league. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Something from the Liverpool when discussing their impending takeover. The opposite is also true though, a minority of the fanbase will not listen to anything on the other side of the 'divide', blinded by their pure hatred of the Glazer's and what they have done. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> what's to listen to on the other side of this divide then? the Glazers are nothing but bad news </div></BLOCKQUOTE> So if things change for the better (financially) under them in the future (even though that is unbelievable) are you still going to say they are bad for us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 and that will happen how? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 The only thing you should have been getting off Richardson is an unjustified sense of smugness. And maybe his wallet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick OGS20 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 yep. they've still put my ST price up, they've still not delivered on promises (arf) about transfer spending, they've already proven themselves to be c**ts with no time for the fans. basically you're using a situation not just hypothetical but near-enough impossible, which is pointless. may as well ask me if i'd still hate robbie fowler if he gave me a million quid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 you would still hate him wouldnt you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I'd use part of the money to have him killed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjburrage Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And if that wasn't bad enough the ****ing massive loans they've attached to the club shows that they are **** businessmen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I know I'll get my head bitten off for this but actually that is the normal step for a new business cycle, obviously they've gone to extreme in that aspect which is way too much, and whether it was necessary is questionable. tbh the Glazers borrowing £600m from Rothschild/Morgan to buy the club is no different than MUST considering to borrow a similar amount from Nomura, but where is the annoyance at that proposal? I said it at the time, the ideal solution would be a DIC led takeover like what may happen down the East Lancs Road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjburrage Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">basically you're using a situation not just hypothetical but near-enough impossible, </div></BLOCKQUOTE> it's as hypothetical as the opposite doom scenario. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonch19 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Go-Go: Right gotta go and take back a road sign vigilante style, when I look again tommorow I want in-depth answer's to my question. 2000 words should be enough mark. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> pfft mark is so 2005. jimlad's your man tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick OGS20 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pjburrage: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">basically you're using a situation not just hypothetical but near-enough impossible, </div></BLOCKQUOTE> it's as hypothetical as the opposite doom scenario. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> what? run that one by me then, because as far as i can see, the opposite doom scenario is already in full swing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alilaw Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 The Glazer's are worse for our club than Kieron Richardson, which is a damning statement to make. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick OGS20 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pjburrage: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And if that wasn't bad enough the ****ing massive loans they've attached to the club shows that they are **** businessmen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I know I'll get my head bitten off for this but actually that is the normal step for a new business cycle, obviously they've gone to extreme in that aspect which is way too much, and whether it was necessary is questionable. tbh the Glazers borrowing £600m from Rothschild/Morgan to buy the club is no different than MUST considering to borrow a similar amount from Nomura, but where is the annoyance at that proposal? I said it at the time, the ideal solution would be a DIC led takeover like what may happen down the East Lancs Road. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> that isn't the ideal solution at all. and of course the must/nomura thing is different - it may be similar levels of debt but at least they'd have a) some idea how to run the club, and b) some consideration for the supporters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 iirc the gimps are long time supporters of the club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjburrage Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nick OGS20: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pjburrage: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">basically you're using a situation not just hypothetical but near-enough impossible, </div></BLOCKQUOTE> it's as hypothetical as the opposite doom scenario. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> what? run that one by me then, because as far as i can see, the opposite doom scenario is already in full swing? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> oh sorry Nick, must have missed the news of receivers being called into OT to recover creditors money. That is the doom scenario, and there is no evidence that we are anywhere near that, or even if that is evidence in the long run there is a trend towards that as they have not been there long enough for such a trend to be spotted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 the fact they seem to use the fact that Fergie almost has a job for life, as an example of them being in touch with the fans sums it up really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 whoring the tickets out like a cheap hooker is a sign, you can't deny that. Letting half the reserve team go out on loan so we don't have to pay their wages. desperate emails all the bloody time for tickets/season tickets. the signs are there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 haha Man Utd supporters so hurt by the simple rules of economics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 putting those 50 quid VIP tickets in to the main ballot /o\/o\/o\ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 if I want cushioning on my seat I'll bring a frigging pillow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjburrage Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nick OGS20: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pjburrage: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And if that wasn't bad enough the ****ing massive loans they've attached to the club shows that they are **** businessmen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I know I'll get my head bitten off for this but actually that is the normal step for a new business cycle, obviously they've gone to extreme in that aspect which is way too much, and whether it was necessary is questionable. tbh the Glazers borrowing £600m from Rothschild/Morgan to buy the club is no different than MUST considering to borrow a similar amount from Nomura, but where is the annoyance at that proposal? I said it at the time, the ideal solution would be a DIC led takeover like what may happen down the East Lancs Road. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> that isn't the ideal solution at all. and of course the must/nomura thing is different - it may be similar levels of debt but at least they'd have a) some idea how to run the club, and b) some consideration for the supporters </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes because Nomura will not act the same way as Rothschild/Morgan if circumstance are the same. As for the running of the club, yes fans will have the clubs best interests at heart, but I feel personally that it could result in ridiculous power struggles within the club (akin to the Presidential Elections at Spanish Clubs), which could hurt the club in the long run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick OGS20 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 that's part of the doom scenario, a much more realistic part than the 'omgz they've made us financially secure' is. not having a penny to spend on transfers, season ticket prices going up, hardcore fans being alienated, club staff being laid off (leading to the current ticket office fiascos) - all parts of the 'doom scenario'. if you can counter that with evidence in the glazers' favour, be my guest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick OGS20 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andy Jordan: haha Man Utd supporters so hurt by the simple rules of economics </div></BLOCKQUOTE> haha jordan so completely out of his depth amongst actual football supporters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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