Nick OGS20 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 PJ's argument basically 'omg we're not bankrupt yet, they're not all bad!' \O/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 eh even if the "rules of economics" are all simple and being followed here.. why does that mean it shouldnt be f**king annoying does Jordan even have a point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick OGS20 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 nah, i think he likes to try and seem intellectually superior without ever actually making one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjburrage Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">not having a penny to spend on transfers, </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes that is an apparent problem, but very few teams apart from Chelsea are spending significantly more on players than receiving on players, and some of those clubs are in worse debt conditions than we are in regard to turnover. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> season ticket prices going up, </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes that is evidence of problems, but could be also seen from a business point of view of years of under inflationary increases so brining up to 'true' value. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">hardcore fans being alienated, </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Have they just alienated them by buying the club? Yes the loyalty pot going is alienating the traditional support, but business sense indicates you should attract new 'customers' aswell, maybe this should have been done differently. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">club staff being laid off (leading to the current ticket office fiascos) </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Maybe that was the removing of unnecessary costs. I'm sure if SU had achieved their goal they would probably have had to streamline costs somehow. Remember I am answering from a business point of view, not the United fan point of view, in order to give what is likely to be the same answer given if I was an independent business advisor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 low blows sires. my point is that Man Utd, via its public offering, commoditized itself and that the Glazers' actions are to be expected. again, if you're willing to pay for the more expensive season tickets, they'll charge you at that price. vote with your wallets and stop whining, they'll never respect you as long as they have your money if that's all they really want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Jimlad Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gonch19: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Go-Go: Right gotta go and take back a road sign vigilante style, when I look again tommorow I want in-depth answer's to my question. 2000 words should be enough mark. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> pfft mark is so 2005. jimlad's your man tbh </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Mark might want to rekindle some of the old school magic though! And as UOTY he has first dibs... Anyway, what was his original hypothetical again? I'm pretty sure its got lost in the absurdity of the Glazers = inevitable treble notion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick OGS20 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 again, completely missing the point. wp tbf i'd expect little else from an american barca fan exdee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 sire, once again I must say that I didn't miss a point, given that I was the one that stated it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 yeah not quite referring to what I'm saying - I dont actually care too much about the price of my (non existent) ticket right now. it's the complete disregard for the fans with a pure, short-sighted, outlook for the here-and-now revenue that has p*ssed me off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 here's my point condensed into a tiny glistening nugget of truth Manchester United "supporters" are nothing more than consumers to the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
14AlanSmithifb Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andy Jordan: here's my point condensed into a tiny glistening nugget of truth Manchester United "supporters" are nothing more than consumers to the club. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> As apposed to the rest of the big teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 14AlanSmithifb: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andy Jordan: here's my point condensed into a tiny glistening nugget of truth Manchester United "supporters" are nothing more than consumers to the club. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> As apposed to the rest of the big teams </div></BLOCKQUOTE>yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjburrage Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nick OGS20: PJ's argument basically 'omg we're not bankrupt yet, they're not all bad!' \O/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE> That's as constructive as a Private Frazer inspired 'We're Doomed' tbh. No long term evidence to identify that either are the direction we are heading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick OGS20 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pjburrage: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">not having a penny to spend on transfers, </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes that is an apparent problem, but very few teams apart from Chelsea are spending significantly more on players than receiving on players, and some of those clubs are in worse debt conditions than we are in regard to turnover. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> utterly utterly irrelevant. only worthwhile comparison you can make is to us pre-takeover. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> season ticket prices going up, </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes that is evidence of problems, but could be also seen from a business point of view of years of under inflationary increases so brining up to 'true' value. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> under inflation? tell that to the people who renewed in the north/south stands last season. 'true' value? a.k.a the most the glazers think they can rip us off by? great. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">hardcore fans being alienated, </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Have they just alienated them by buying the club? Yes the loyalty pot going is alienating the traditional support, but business sense indicates you should attract new 'customers' aswell, maybe this should have been done differently. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> complete rot. the very fact you're talking about 'business sense' is the crux of the matter here. we're a football club - apologies for having the nerve to think like that, but we are. you can bang on about it being good business sense all you like, it's a **** way to treat loyal fans and believe it or not, that's what's uppermost in my thoughts. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">club staff being laid off (leading to the current ticket office fiascos) </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Maybe that was the removing of unnecessary costs. I'm sure if SU had achieved their goal they would probably have had to streamline costs somehow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> providing a decent service is an unnecessary cost? that doesn't sound like good business sense to me... <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Remember I am answering from a business point of view, not the United fan point of view, in order to give what is likely to be the same answer given if I was an independent business advisor. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> and i'm talking from a united fan point of view and couldn't give a flying f**k about what an independent business advisor would say. i'm talking about how things affect me and my fellow fans, not how things look to some faceless bean-counters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBlood Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">which could hurt the club in the long run. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> The Glazers want to make money personal wealth for thme is that good in the long run Stop buying tickets and you stop the Glazers simple as Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjburrage Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 But the crux of the matter is that we are a business, and have been for quite some time Nick, yes you can moan about the way the club is ran, and tbh as a fan I feel the same. But you asked me what is to listen to from the other side of the divide, and I presented such an argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Jimlad Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 14AlanSmithifb: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andy Jordan: here's my point condensed into a tiny glistening nugget of truth Manchester United "supporters" are nothing more than consumers to the club. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> As apposed to the rest of the big teams </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Don't stop at the big teams, when have supporters of professional football clubs ever been anything other than consumers. For all their community ties, local tradition etc. supporters have never been given a free ride, regardless of the time period being talked about. It may be more noticeable in this era of massive capital investment for the big teams but don't pretend there's anything more than a relative difference between fans as consumers of Manchester United as opposed to Torquay based on their respective fan-bases. Everyone tries to maximise their income and to say otherwise is pretty much incorrect. Now if you'd said something related to a club having a responsibility to respect its primary consumer, i.e. the fan, and the Glazers not displaying this aspect with regards to managing a vital area of the club resources - again the fan - regardless of broad success generating broader support, local generational ties are vital over the longer term, then maybe your nugget would have a point AJ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonch19 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 haha mourinho's attempts at mind games intensifying :**) nice try jose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick OGS20 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pjburrage: But the crux of the matter is that we are a business, and have been for quite some time Nick, yes you can moan about the way the club is ran, and tbh as a fan I feel the same. But you asked me what is to listen to from the other side of the divide, and I presented such an argument. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> yes, and i've listened, i've seen the reasoning from a business side of view, and it hasn't improved my view of the Glazers one iota. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjburrage Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nick OGS20: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pjburrage: But the crux of the matter is that we are a business, and have been for quite some time Nick, yes you can moan about the way the club is ran, and tbh as a fan I feel the same. But you asked me what is to listen to from the other side of the divide, and I presented such an argument. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> yes, and i've listened, i've seen the reasoning from a business side of view, and it hasn't improved my view of the Glazers one iota. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> and that is exactly the same as what Martin said when he mentioned the ones who don't give a flying about the Glazers despite being told the details. So lets end it there. I've had enough anger today over the Trident story, I don't want any more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazz22 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 The way I see it is that we've went from the richest club in world-football to being in millions of debt and having to tread on egg-shells or we go bye-bye. There is NOTHING good about the takeover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go-Go Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Young Jimlad: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gonch19: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Go-Go: Right gotta go and take back a road sign vigilante style, when I look again tommorow I want in-depth answer's to my question. 2000 words should be enough mark. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> pfft mark is so 2005. jimlad's your man tbh </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Mark might want to rekindle some of the old school magic though! And as UOTY he has first dibs... Anyway, what was his original hypothetical again? I'm pretty sure its got lost in the absurdity of the Glazers = inevitable treble notion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I WAS CLEARLY JOKING, surely being able to write would mean I was intelligent enough not to believe the Glazer's 'investment' would lead to an 'inevitable treble' <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Young Jimlad: Someone want to give Go-Go the spending balance on the team post-Glazer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Grrr I'm angry because of the cricket so going to bite - all I said was that obviously the Glazer's are bad for the club, but personally I don't think that justifies the personal hate. But yeah just re-stating what I've already said because it seems anything over than "GLAZER IS DEVIL" sends you all into an all-consuming rage. Oh, and answer the Fergie question! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipersdream Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Go-Go: Oh, and answer the Fergie question! </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Ok then. If Fergie leads our ameoba-thin squad to the Premiership title over that monstrous shower from west London, then yes, it will be definitely be his greatest achievement (particularly as several of us expected we'd barely scrape into the UEFA Cup spot this year.) Similarly, if Allen & Overy ring me up today and offer me a £35k a year job, with Eva Green as my PA, then that will be MY greatest achievement. The latter is more likely to take place tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James07? Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Christ, you can tell who has the GCSE in business studies can't you.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipersdream Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 SWOT Analysis of the Glazer's ownership ftw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scatter Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 so... we've resuscitated last years thread then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James07? Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pjburrage: years of under inflationary increases </div></BLOCKQUOTE> hahahahahahahahahahahahaha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjburrage Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by James07?: Christ, you can tell who has the GCSE in business studies can't you.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE> If that's aimed at me, yes I do have a GCSE in Business Studies, but I also have a degree in the field. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scatter Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snipersdream: particularly as several of us expected we'd barely scrape into the UEFA Cup spot this year. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> speak for yourself. a lot of people in this thread have long stated there isn't too much wrong with the first xi, it's the depth of the squad that is the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipersdream Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Scatter: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snipersdream: particularly as several of us expected we'd barely scrape into the UEFA Cup spot this year. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> speak for yourself. a lot of people in this thread have long stated there isn't too much wrong with the first xi, it's the depth of the squad that is the problem. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> You might want to skip back the thread to about the time the transfer window closed then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scatter Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 ...and darren fletcher ifffffffffffffffffffb btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scatter Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snipersdream: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Scatter: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snipersdream: particularly as several of us expected we'd barely scrape into the UEFA Cup spot this year. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> speak for yourself. a lot of people in this thread have long stated there isn't too much wrong with the first xi, it's the depth of the squad that is the problem. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> You might want to skip back the thread to about the time the transfer window closed then. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipersdream Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Scatter: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snipersdream: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Scatter: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snipersdream: particularly as several of us expected we'd barely scrape into the UEFA Cup spot this year. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> speak for yourself. a lot of people in this thread have long stated there isn't too much wrong with the first xi, it's the depth of the squad that is the problem. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> You might want to skip back the thread to about the time the transfer window closed then. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I could do this all day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James07? Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pjburrage: If that's aimed at me, yes I do have a GCSE in Business Studies, but I also have a degree in the field. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> A desmond from the bury institute of catering? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipersdream Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 People a little tense today? Look! Puppies! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saha Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 haha snipers we should all just except that we drew the short straw with foreign investors and move on to scatter's next point, which is that darren fletcher ifb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I have a GNVQ(Now BTech) in Business Studies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James07? Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 exactly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldberg Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Martin making up what happened the other night when getting autographs I see. Anyone would think we were holding him back whilst he pelted them with anything he could get his hands on. In reality he stood there like everyone else then went on & on about how easy it would have been to take them out if he had a gun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saha Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 closet scouser? I've always said that I could make a billion dollars in the software and learn to talk to girls. I'm...still working on step 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Jimlad Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Mr. Mahmet you have a call... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 naff Angel quotage again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saha Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 there appears to be a word missing. full blame must go to the website i copied it off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I have a GCSE and an A-level in Business Studies, get me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldberg Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 My new phone came an hour or so ago. Anyone important enough can get it when they come to the wall tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scatter Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snipersdream: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Scatter: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snipersdream: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Scatter: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snipersdream: particularly as several of us expected we'd barely scrape into the UEFA Cup spot this year. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> speak for yourself. a lot of people in this thread have long stated there isn't too much wrong with the first xi, it's the depth of the squad that is the problem. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> You might want to skip back the thread to about the time the transfer window closed then. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I could do this all day. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> oh christ the point - all in bold and patently obvious - is that nobody is claiming the first xi is perfect and can't be strengthened by a hargreaves/torres/whoever, but there really isn't too much wrong with the first team. i don't think there'd have been many complaints at the end of august if we'd bought a few squad players for the wing/up front/another four left backs/in midfield, put it that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saha Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Coldberg: My new phone came an hour or so ago. Anyone important enough can get it when they come to the wall tomorrow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> been playing with my w850 since i got it, it's possibly the greatest thing ever invented major hugs and kisses to ratinho if he wanders in here too, have videos of rooney/ronaldo/ole/ruud and the last six minutes of the cl final on it now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldberg Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Well my phone came pre loaded with some wallpapers. Problem is it goes off the time zone & obviously being in England it's London. So I have two wallpapers on my phone containing Drogba & Crespo celebrating Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saha Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 haha, i have sgt. peppers :*) buffy one didn't want to fit. also have a program that tells me the time in every major city in the world Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldberg Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Still getting to grips with mine. Menu system is a bit different from my old D500 so I kepe ending up going to menus I don't want. Defualt wallpaper is cool though. Sky turns to night when it's night time, I am so easily amused Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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