The Manchester United thread 2006/2007 - featuring BBB leaving early

[Saha]

Yeah I'm just putting the finishing touches on my Hugo Viana effigy now Fran.

[McMaster#28]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Yeah I'm just putting the finishing touches on my Hugo Viana effigy now Fran </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let me know how you get along

[McMaster#28]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Yeah I'm just putting the finishing touches on my Hugo Viana effigy now Fran </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let me know how you get along

[James07?]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika:

1993 - 2000 The Jim Henson Company

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, we’re literally employed a Muppet?

[Mika]

So now you're admitting that your post was provocative, that's a start

[Nick OGS20]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Francis Cole:

haha, DJ*2, someone you lot hated so much says Ronaldo will stay and he's praised. Viana says Ronaldo should go to Spain and he's the new hate figure.

To quote you lot when you want to belittle someone:

Bless </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

did they remove your brain when they removed the blue badge :/

a) i don't think anyone ever hated Djembax2, we just (entirely understandably) thought he was nowhere near good enough for us. we're hardly falling over ourselves to kiss his feet upon these latest comments either, just a bit of banter in jest (possibly hard for a Leeds fan to understand humour ).

b) Viana the new hate figure 'bless' indeed. he's clearly got a chip on his shoulder about english football, and he's sticking his nose in where it's not wanted and trying to unsettle one of our star players. but hell, let's applaud that lest Fran finds any 'hate' offensive

[Mika]

Re: The charity match:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> United manager Alex Ferguson has promised to play a full-strength side in the match. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yippee :/

[James07?]

double d was always a bit of a cult.

[Nick OGS20]

great stuff :/

surprised Benitez has let the two scousers play. betcha there'll be no Chelsea players in action.

[Saha]

He's lying.

*rocks back and forth*

[gonch19]

its tough, because influential refers to their impact on the team as a whole / the ferguson era itself. so you could feasibly have mark robins as number 3 or somewhere equally as high. as well as that, an influence is someone who is a driving force, more often than not vocal, so you could even have people like ince in there ahead of other more obvious candidates

[pjburrage]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika:

Re: The charity match:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> United manager Alex Ferguson has promised to play a full-strength side in the match. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yippee :/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

tbh Full Strength to him means Richardson and O'Shea

[McMaster#28]

Winding you lot up is the only fun I get

[gonch19]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika:

Re: The charity match:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> United manager Alex Ferguson has promised to play a full-strength side in the match. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yippee :/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i swear, if anyone gets injured in that match

[James07?]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gonch19:

its tough, because influential refers to their impact on the team as a whole / the ferguson era itself. so you could feasibly have mark robins as number 3 or somewhere equally as high. as well as that, an influence is someone who is a driving force, more often than not vocal, so you could even have people like ince in there ahead of other more obvious candidates </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed, that's why I thought it was an interesting question.

It'll be fun to see what justifaction Ruudboy Mika uses to explain horsey at one.

[Mika]

Don't you start James

[Nick OGS20]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Francis Cole:

Winding you lot up is the only fun I get </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

hmm, fair enough. it does make you look a bit daft, but if you aspire to be a more verbose pires then that's ultimately your call

[pjburrage]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Francis Cole:

Winding you lot up is the only fun I get </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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not surprised that's the case.

[alilaw]

Tricksy....

My top 3 could really be in any order. Should be that combination in everyone's top 3 really.

1) Roy Keane - OVERALL influence, he played such a huge part in so many of those 8 titles. Just look at what his absence did to us in 98, to an extent in 02, and where we've been since his powers have waned. Mostly longevity - Juve apart I can't think of any hugely important specific events. Just a case of being at such a high level so consistently.

2) Eric Cantona - catalyst, pushed a good team over the top into a great one. As for individual moments, well - the two cup finals, the 1-0 over Newcastle etc etc.

3) Schmikes - More so in the early and mid 90's than towards the end of his career. But as has often been pointed out, he won us so many points over the years. Plus his save from Bergkamp in the FA Semi replay was crucial.

4) Ryan Giggs

5) Paul Scholes

6) Ole Solskjaer

7) Mark Hughes

8) David Beckham

9) Steve Bruce

10) Ruud Van Nistelrooy

Rooney and Ronaldo don't get anything until we win the league. Honorable mentions to Mark Robins, Lee Martin, Bryan Robson, Teddy Sheringham, Rio Ferdinand and Jaap Stam.

[Mika]

I'll have a good think and do the list later. Right, work.

[McMaster#28]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Nick OGS20 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was trying to offer advice 3 pages ago and you seemed to ignore me.

pjburrage:

Indeed

Anyway I'm off to be taught how to not run over people whilst in a car.. laters!

[gonch19]

robson HAS to be in there imo.

eric cantona runner up to roy keane, the rest is up to debate really.

[pjburrage]

Schmikes my no.1 by a mile.

[Weststandred]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pjburrage:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Francis Cole:

Winding you lot up is the only fun I get </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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not surprised that's the case. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=leedsnf9.jpg

[gonch19]

oh and i dont think there is any way ruud should be in the top 10 in terms of influence on the ferguson era. you could argue he hindered it almost to the point of no return thanks to the unsuccessful change in system that saw us go from three times consecutive title winners to a team 'not playing the united way'

[Mika]

Just give it up gonch. Seriously.

[Nick OGS20]

mine's basically ali's list, although i might have Dwight Yorke in there (maybe even ahead of Ruud) purely for the impact he made in the defining season of the period we're looking at. might have Ole higher as well, just because of the ridiculous number of crucial goals, again especially in THAT season.

[Nick OGS20]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gonch19:

oh and i dont think there is any way ruud should be in the top 10 in terms of influence on the ferguson era. you could argue he hindered it almost to the point of no return thanks to the unsuccessful change in system that saw us go from three times consecutive title winners to a team 'not playing the united way' </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Veron was far more the cause of that.

[Mika]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nick OGS20:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gonch19:

oh and i dont think there is any way ruud should be in the top 10 in terms of influence on the ferguson era. you could argue he hindered it almost to the point of no return thanks to the unsuccessful change in system that saw us go from three times consecutive title winners to a team 'not playing the united way' </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Veron was far more the cause of that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly.

[Mika]

Though I still loved Seba :*)

[alilaw]

Yeah, Ruud and Scholes basically won us the 03 title, he deserves to be in there.

[gonch19]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika:

Just give it up gonch. Seriously. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ahahah i thought you had gone to work

i couldnt resist, though i do think its a fair enough point for discussion. i agree though, veron can be held just as accountable. though the ruud upfront on his own thing is based around the fact he can play that role so well so i dont think you can argue that hes exempt from any such discussion.

ruud's main argument in favour, as far as im concerned, is his excellent record in the 2002/2003 season. that aside i dont really think hes been that influential.

yorke, cole, solskjaer and hughes certainly higher than him in terms of influential strikers for me, despite their poorer goal ratios

[gonch19]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by alilaw:

Yeah, Ruud and Scholes basically won us the 03 title, he deserves to be in there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

beckham got about 18 assists, you cannot discount him.

[Nick OGS20]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gonch19:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by alilaw:

Yeah, Ruud and Scholes basically won us the 03 title, he deserves to be in there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

beckham got about 18 assists, you cannot discount him. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

probably his worst season for us, regardless of those numbers.

[gonch19]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nick OGS20:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gonch19:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by alilaw:

Yeah, Ruud and Scholes basically won us the 03 title, he deserves to be in there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

beckham got about 18 assists, you cannot discount him. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

probably his worst season for us, regardless of those numbers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

maybe so, but you can't discount that many assists when analysing a title winning season as far as im concerned.

[Mika]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gonch19:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika:

Just give it up gonch. Seriously. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ahahah i thought you had gone to work

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm doing Uni work...on the PC

[Nick OGS20]

you can when he probably got nowhere near that number, and when he spent periods of the season out of the team on merit (and the team looked much better without him).

[alilaw]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gonch19:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by alilaw:

Yeah, Ruud and Scholes basically won us the 03 title, he deserves to be in there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

beckham got about 18 assists, you cannot discount him. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was paraphrasing. Of course others played their part - Rio was outstanding, it was Keane's last hurrah etc. On the Beckham point though, I think it's important to note that in those crunch games towards the end of the season - the ones where the title was essentially decided - Ole was playing on the right.

[Nick OGS20]

indeed. arsenal away, newcastle away, liverpool at home.

becks probably not even top 5 in terms of influence that season.

[Mika]

Ruud carried us for his first three seasons, his contribution was massive. As it happens I still don't think he would make my top 10 in this, what is a very specific list. During 2001-2004 though he was out of this world.

[Nick OGS20]

changing the subject significantly - Claudio Ranieri has taken over at Parma. hopefully this won't affect the number of games Beppe gets over there.

[Rage1999]

was top 5 definatly

dont be stupid

[gonch19]

btw lads, who are your 2 players of the season so far? i saw a poll of united fans on this recently, scholes and ronaldo were tied.

for me:

1) Paul Scholes - (sometimes overshadowed by more prominent team members in the past maybe because of the very quiet way he goes about things, but for me it has been impossible to ignore just how good the lad is, this season more than any. would be thrilled if he won player of the year, not sure he would though)

2) Cristiano Ronaldo - pretty self explanatory, the year he came of age as a consistent and genuine threat. hard to separate the two really but scholes edges it for me.

Most Improved so far:

1) Cristiano Ronaldo

2) Patrice Evra

[Nick OGS20]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rage1999:

was top 5 definatly

dont be stupid </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well that's me shot down

he wasn't. it's an opinion. make a case against it or stfu, ta

[Mika]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gonch19:

btw lads, who are your 2 players of the season so far? i saw a poll of united fans on this recently, scholes and ronaldo were tied.

for me:

1) Paul Scholes - (sometimes overshadowed by more prominent team members in the past maybe because of the very quiet way he goes about things, but for me it has been impossible to ignore just how good the lad is, this season more than any. would be thrilled if he won player of the year, not sure he would though)

2) Cristiano Ronaldo - pretty self explanatory, the year he came of age as a consistent and genuine threat. hard to separate the two really but scholes edges it for me.

Most Improved so far:

1) Cristiano Ronaldo

2) Patrice Evra </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Blimey, we agree on something

[alilaw]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika:

Ruud carried us for his first three seasons, his contribution was massive. As it happens I still don't think he would make my top 10 in this, what is a very specific list. During 2001-2004 though he was out of this world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I agree with this. He was unbelievable. As has been pointed out, his quality at this time coupled with Fergie's insistence on including Veron because we weren't 'European' enough prompted a switch to a style that just didn't suit us. But that's not Ruud's fault, he was immense.

Agreeing with Mika. About Ruud. SHOCKING

[gonch19]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gonch19:

btw lads, who are your 2 players of the season so far? i saw a poll of united fans on this recently, scholes and ronaldo were tied.

for me:

1) Paul Scholes - (sometimes overshadowed by more prominent team members in the past maybe because of the very quiet way he goes about things, but for me it has been impossible to ignore just how good the lad is, this season more than any. would be thrilled if he won player of the year, not sure he would though)

2) Cristiano Ronaldo - pretty self explanatory, the year he came of age as a consistent and genuine threat. hard to separate the two really but scholes edges it for me.

Most Improved so far:

1) Cristiano Ronaldo

2) Patrice Evra </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Blimey, we agree on something </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha tbh i think bar ruud we actually agree on quite a lot of things mate

[Mika]

expanding on your list, I'd have Evra and Vidic in at 3 & 4 with probably Saha rounding out the top 5...if Giggs had been able to maintain his early form then it would have been him.

[gonch19]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika:

expanding on your list, I'd have Evra and Vidic in at 3 & 4 with probably Saha rounding out the top 5...if Giggs had been able to maintain his early form then it would have been him. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

same, vidic deserves a mention. i would have had saha as 5 but he has been so very poor since basically the manchester derby that even i as a staunch supporter of him and struggling to back him right now. rio would be 5th for me, hes been immense, every bit as influential as vidic

[Mika]

Good point really, I pretty much put Saha there by default to be honest, but Rio over the course of the season would probably be a better shout.