mikelfc8 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I've brought Heiko Westermann, as well as a couple of others, to my Liverpool squad as both backup and tutor but there seems to be a problem. E.g. Why can't he tutor Flanagan? The option is absent from both of their screens but other tutors and tutees are available. Westermann is available as a tutor to others; Lloyd Jones for example and Skrtel can tutor Flanagan. Westerman - age 30 - rotation - continental rep Flannagan - age 21 - backup - national rep Neither are injured nor is any preferred move training getting in the way. Have I forgotten something? Or has there been a change I've missed? Hope you all can help. Cheers folks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdsoul Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 http://www.guidetofootballmanager.com/squad/player-development/player-tutoring the list is about half way down. squad status? maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 There hasn't been any changed, it still works as the same as always. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scaramanga Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Ive also got some issues with the tutoring this year. Im trying to tutor Thauvin at Olympique Marseille. But i get the message that this player is already having a senior role within the team so therefore cannot be tutored. Even when i change his squad status to youngster i get the same message. But according to the requirements age, rep, position and squad status there would be at least 3 suitable tutors in my squad. (Barrada, Ayew and Payet) Am i missing something? (Imbula who is of the same age + plus rep doesnt have this problem.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelfc8 Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 http://www.guidetofootballmanager.com/squad/player-development/player-tutoringthe list is about half way down. squad status? maybe? Thanks for the replies everyone. As far as I can tell Westermann fulfills all of the requirements to tutor Flanagan, including squad status. Could this be a bug perhaps? Should I post it in the bug section? Scaramanga, I also have a few players - Balanta, Moreno, Sterling, Coutinho - who already have a senior role within the team so therefore cannot be tutored. As this seems to be a new status (don't remember it from previous FMs) I just assumed they were so talented as to be somehow beyond tutoring. It just seems odd that Sterling/Coutinho can't be tutored by Gerrard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scaramanga Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 @Mikelfc8 Depending on your transfers maybe sterling and moreno (both continental reputation) dont have a player playing in a similiar position with a higher rep? Ive got this problem with Doria. But Coutinho should be able to be tutored by Gerrard. And Balanta should probably also have a tutor available with a better rep. I for one, would like to know if this is a bug or if there are other variables that come into play why some players cant be tutored withour obvious reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormenDK Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Something is definitely screwy with tutoring and personalities in the current version [15.1.1]. I have a player (Frankie Artus) who can tutor on youngster in my team. If I release that youngster on a Free transfer, then the Training page says that Artus is too young to tutor (he is 25). Also I have young players in my team (ages 22-23) who can't be tutored because the 'have a senior role in the team' (No idea what that might be), but one of my other 23 year olds can be tutored even though he is also in the senior team and have higher squad status than the others. There are currently no negative personalities to be found anywhere. Anything that would have been a negative personality is shown as 'Balanced'. One of my players have AMB = 3 and LOY = 10 which should make him 'Unambitious'. He also has DET = 3 and AMB < 10 which would be 'Low Determination'. But as can be seen he is 'Balanced'. I did actually manage to find a 'Low Determination' personality in one save. It was a youth player generated at the beginning of the game, after I selected to fill out playable teams with players. When I looked him over in the editor, he did have DET = 3 and AMB = 7. But he also had PRO = 17, which should have made him 'Fairly Professional'. It has been impossible for me to edit any player to have a negative personality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Luc Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I have the impression that player's characters play a much bigger role in tutoring now? I had lots of answers "I have better use of my time" from potential tutors and lots of "I don't want to work closely with XY" from tutees. Are these hidden messages that the conditions don't fit - or are they exactly what they say: That the players are unwilling to follow my suggestions, due to very personal reasons? (And btw, my coach had rather high stats in motivating, etc.). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelfc8 Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 Still no answers as to why Westermann can't tutor Flannagan. I'll try the bug forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivandrago Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I'm also having trouble with tutoring on Athletic, Bilbao and Baskonia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelfc8 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 I'm waiting on a response from the bug people here - http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/407752-Tutoring-bug It might be worth letting them know it's not just me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelfc8 Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 Hi, seems I must have missed something with Westermann - http://community.sigames.com/showthr...2-Tutoring-bug - but I still have some unanswered questions. I have been asking about possible tutoring bugs in the bugs forum and got the following as part of the reply - Players that can't be tutored due to them having a "senior role in the team"... don't need tutoring as they are already at a certain level of ability Now, I find this very interesting. I was/am asking about players who have suitable tutors available and meet all of the understood crtieria for tutees - Players share accomplished ability in a position Tutor has higher rep Tutor has at least equivalent squad status Tutor is older than 23 Tutee is younger than 23 No PPM training for the tutor I have encountered this problem with many players with status' varying from key player to rotation - Balanta, Moreno, Sterling, Coutinho, Lucas Romero, Jonathan Silva, Suso etc. - I could tutor Suso and Romero until their status' were upped to rotation but that should not, as I understand it, stop them from being tutored if there are still suitable tutors of a higher rep. So what, in-game, is dertemining that "this player already has a senior role in the team and cannot be tutored"? Has rotation status become a bar to tutoring? As Cleon states above, nothing has changed regarding tutoring requirements, so can anybody explain what I am finding? Thanks folks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelfc8 Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 Well, I now know that rotation status is not the answer due to the following example - Here is Divock Origi on 16 Nov 2015 Squad status - http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/mikem8634/media/DivockOrigi_OverviewProfile.png.html?sort=3&o=2 Training - http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/mikem8634/media/DivockOrigi_DevelopmentTraining-3.png.html?sort=3&o=3 Despite the lack of available tutors it is clear to see that he can be tutored at this point and here he is on 11 Jan 2016 Squad status - http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/mikem8634/media/DivockOrigi_OverviewProfile-2.png.html?sort=3&o=0 Training - http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/mikem8634/media/DivockOrigi_DevelopmentTraining.png.html?sort=3&o=1 Now the training page states that he has a senior role in the team and cannot be tutored. His squad status shows he is still 20, still a hot prospect and still has a continental rep, but he now wants a new contract due to becoming a first team-player. He has played but his official status has not changed. So what has? His ability? His perception of himself? And does it represent a new requirement for tutoring? Clearly something under the hood is determining whether or not he can be tutored and it does not seem to relate to the current criteria as I understand them. Or, as is quite often the case, have I missed something? Any ideas? Please help before I lose more hair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelfc8 Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 And now he has gone back to being available to tutor - 14 jan 2016 - http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/mikem8634/media/DivockOrigi_DevelopmentTraining-2.png.html Bug? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I think its because he was a regular in the side, in just over a month you gave him 6 starts then the following month not as many, hence why now there isn't an important role message popping up. So he was classed as a first teamer rather than rotation even if he had that squad status. Maybe/just a thought. It might be worth bringing it up in the bugs forum to see if thats the case though as I'm not aware of any public changes. So if the mechanics have changed then they've not told anyone.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelfc8 Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 I think its because he was a regular in the side, in just over a month you gave him 6 starts then the following month not as many, hence why now there isn't an important role message popping up. So he was classed as a first teamer rather than rotation even if he had that squad status. Maybe/just a thought.It might be worth bringing it up in the bugs forum to see if thats the case though as I'm not aware of any public changes. So if the mechanics have changed then they've not told anyone.... You could be right there, I'll keep an eye on similar runs in the first team. I'll also give it a go in the bug section. Hope I'm not driving them mad. Thanks Cleon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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