timbone Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 My thread got closed. I really do not know why, this is getting ridiculous. Whenever I provide information to get the help that I need my thread gets closed or goes cold. This will be my last time asking. I am a novice at this game but I am winning for some weird reason but I get an empty feeling because it doesnt feel like I deserved it. What are the most important attributes in purchasing a defender Some have said Pace and Marking Others said Positioning and Anticipation. Neither seems to be working. It would be nice if I could get fullbacks that can actually defend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Forget attributes, we'd need to see the system to u derstand why you feel your full backs can't defend. We need to know that stuff (it says so on a stickied thread). If your threads are being closed, it will be because of that probably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbone Posted November 16, 2014 Author Share Posted November 16, 2014 I am using this formation http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/391909-Steaton-s-Total-Annihilation-4231-v14.3.1-Finally-Nailed-It-Plug-and-Play/page5 So the problem has to be buying the wrong players for the right roles. I have read a lot of guides but still seem to be getting it wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 But based on the closed thread, you're winning so I've no idea what you want? http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/408743-5-seasons-undefeated-and-I-dont-know-how-to-play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
19MiRkO91 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 It's more than Plug and Play tactics. Let me tell I can't achieve anything, but if there's a thing I know is that there's no tactic that works perfectly, especially if it's not suited to your players. About that, you might want to know what your players are supposed to do. Pace isn't very useful if you're playing a very deep line (this means you can get a very quick defender, but you might want to focus on different things, depending on what they need to do). If your fullbacks aren't defending it's probably due to their roles/duties, but again you should post them here, like RTHerringbone said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbone Posted November 16, 2014 Author Share Posted November 16, 2014 It's more than Plug and Play tactics. Let me tell I can't achieve anything, but if there's a thing I know is that there's no tactic that works perfectly, especially if it's not suited to your players. About that, you might want to know what your players are supposed to do. Pace isn't very useful if you're playing a very deep line (this means you can get a very quick defender, but you might want to focus on different things, depending on what they need to do).If your fullbacks aren't defending it's probably due to their roles/duties, but again you should post them here, like RTHerringbone said. The tactics are exactly like the link I posted, I did not change anything Here are all my other info: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0C6zV4zCw41SGJzeWU5UHM2emc&usp=sharing I was asked to provide matches, I did but got no response in an earlier thread Having a striker with 9 jumping reach and height 181cm jumping over a 190cm defender proves that I am doing something wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 I still don't get it? You're really not clear. If you're buying the wring players for the Roles, then you're getting away with it. Buying the right players isn't hard as you can use attribute filters based on the required Roles when scouting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbone Posted November 16, 2014 Author Share Posted November 16, 2014 I still don't get it? You're really not clear. If you're buying the wring players for the Roles, then you're getting away with it. Buying the right players isn't hard as you can use attribute filters based on the required Roles when scouting. My problem is that perfect players dont exist or I cant afford them. I do win but it seems more like a lottery with a lot of retries than me actually doing something right. I uploaded my matches in the link above. I read in the guidetofootballmanager website about the attributes for defending passing shooting etc but when I play against the AI a player with 5 long shots and 5 flair is scoring screamers. Seems inconsistent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
19MiRkO91 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 To me, the tactics in the link you just provided are completely different compared to the tactic you downloaded, at least for your fullbacks! I have seen a lot of players being much shorter than their opponents and still scoring a lot from corner kicks. What's the problem with that? I think you just want to know how to improve and you don't know what the tactic does, so you assume you're doing something wrong. Is that it? If you're winning, you're not doing anything wrong, you can either be lucky or have much better players than the opposite teams. Please forgive me if I don't understand what you're asking for, but since I am not the only one I don't think it's because of me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbone Posted November 16, 2014 Author Share Posted November 16, 2014 To me, the tactics in the link you just provided are completely different compared to the tactic you downloaded, at least for your fullbacks!I have seen a lot of players being much shorter than their opponents and still scoring a lot from corner kicks. What's the problem with that? I think you just want to know how to improve and you don't know what the tactic does, so you assume you're doing something wrong. Is that it? If you're winning, you're not doing anything wrong, you can either be lucky or have much better players than the opposite teams. Please forgive me if I don't understand what you're asking for, but since I am not the only one I don't think it's because of me. Haha Here is the problem: I need to play most matches more than twice. So it feels more like a lottery than me actually understanding how the game works. This is my first game in the series so I am a complete novice. Too many conflicting advice out there. Some say Pace Marking are the two most important attributes for defenders. Others say Anticipation and Positioning. I just need someone to tell me straight. The goals are not from corners. I have found a way to defend corners just from regular crosses. I tried reduce my mentality but I sometimes lose 8-0 and then replay the match or go on vacation. So I maybe winning but its more like cheating or avoiding whats wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Replaying matches again and again until you get a win teaches you nothing. Now I understand how you went "unbeaten" for five seasons! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbone Posted November 16, 2014 Author Share Posted November 16, 2014 Replaying matches again and again until you get a win teaches you nothing. Now I understand how you went "unbeaten" for five seasons! I would think otherwise. Since spending time studying the matches by replaying them was the whole point. All I think it does is show that I am a perfectionist lol. Why dont you teach me. Thats the reason I am here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
voy1d Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 When you say your fullbacks aren't doing their job, what do you mean? Are they letting opposition players in to make crosses? Something I've found is before the match and when you are setting opposition instructions see what formation they are using. For example I played a game against Chelsea using a 4-1-3-1-1 tactic and Jose used 4-2-3-1 in reply with two wingers. In response I set OI for the AMR and AML to Closing Down, Hard Tackling and Show on Weaker Foot. The AMC had just Closing Down and Show on Weaker Foot and the ST had Man Mark, Closing Down and Show on Weaker Foot. I lost the game 2-1 as West Ham and that was because the ST (Schurlee) got off to a blinder, but else wise Hazard and Wellington Nems were completely neutralised. What I'm trying to say is look at the opposition instructions because you can isolate threats that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Ok lets make this easier for everyone: Tim - please post your current team, formation, roles, duties, instructions up here - then explain why your team is struggling. With details as to how you are conceding goals, what your team is not doing well. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbone Posted November 16, 2014 Author Share Posted November 16, 2014 Ok lets make this easier for everyone:Tim - please post your current team, formation, roles, duties, instructions up here - then explain why your team is struggling. With details as to how you are conceding goals, what your team is not doing well. Thanks. Ok thanks will do that. My team was great in the second division and the first couple of seasons but I dont know how to strengthen my team Here is my team My fullbacks get shown the heels of my opponents. I could strengthen them since I won the league but dont know how to buy defenders, tried everything but still conceeding easy soft goals. I can lose matches 5-4. I didnt have good tackling defense midfielders so I got some but defense is still lacking and I dont know how to change that. I got a 36 year old Matt Hummels but a 181cm striker worth 58million is jumping over him. I got a younger faster defender and the same thing. Completely out of ideas. I came here for help and got none, so decided to wig it for a few seasons and maybe I can learn something but this is my first game in the series its no surprise that I dont understand it. I think I need two things. 1 To buy a defensive midfielder to break up attacks 2 Buy good fullbacks and defenders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbone Posted November 16, 2014 Author Share Posted November 16, 2014 When you say your fullbacks aren't doing their job, what do you mean? Are they letting opposition players in to make crosses?Something I've found is before the match and when you are setting opposition instructions see what formation they are using. For example I played a game against Chelsea using a 4-1-3-1-1 tactic and Jose used 4-2-3-1 in reply with two wingers. In response I set OI for the AMR and AML to Closing Down, Hard Tackling and Show on Weaker Foot. The AMC had just Closing Down and Show on Weaker Foot and the ST had Man Mark, Closing Down and Show on Weaker Foot. I lost the game 2-1 as West Ham and that was because the ST (Schurlee) got off to a blinder, but else wise Hazard and Wellington Nems were completely neutralised. What I'm trying to say is look at the opposition instructions because you can isolate threats that way. I have tried that and I also read up somewhere that setting OI is bad, so many confusing information out there. I dont know how to buy players. It seems to be a secret that only the wizards here are privy to. I discovered that whenever I beat Bayern they buy new players sometimes close to $200 million spent a season. I got some youth wonderkids and sold them for huge profits but I dont know who to buy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Is it the St. Pauli team tactics page? If so - you are playing with a system that offers space on the flanks (behind your wingers), with no holding midfielder! Someone who simply sits and defends and moves the ball around. A CM(D) is the best bet. An AP(S) is also a very poor choice for the position. I recommend you read wwfan's 12 step guide again, then read pairs & combinations, because all the information you need is in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imabearlol Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Look, you are playing with 2 CWBs on a Balanced Fluidity. Of course they are going to leave space behind defensively! You need one more defensive role in your team. Change your AP(s) to a CM(d), and your BBM to a CM(s). Change one of your CWB to a WB(s) and change the other to a WB(a). Why are you using Contain and why are you using Drop Deeper? Why are you using More Expressive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbone Posted November 18, 2014 Author Share Posted November 18, 2014 The two formations Danilo Tight and TA3 are plug and play formations from here and another site. I switched to contain when I conceeded 9 goals in one match and could not fathom how that could happen. I decided to make formations based on the twelve step guide and combinations This are the three 3 5 2 4 5 1 4 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imabearlol Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 You have far too many Team Instructions that it's hard to make out what each tactic actually does. Can you provide a brief summary of what you are aiming for in each of the tactics? I actually think you need to sit down and look at each individual Instruction and work out why you are using it. You have many instructions which contradict each other for one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbone Posted November 18, 2014 Author Share Posted November 18, 2014 You have far too many Team Instructions that it's hard to make out what each tactic actually does. Can you provide a brief summary of what you are aiming for in each of the tactics?I actually think you need to sit down and look at each individual Instruction and work out why you are using it. You have many instructions which contradict each other for one. The 3 5 2 Team instructions was just an experiment for me going crazy. For the other formations, I followed the instructions from guidetofootball manager on the instructions needed for Counter attacking. I will take your advice and lose most of the instructions and use only "one route and be more disciplined". I switched to very rigid and my defense seems to be much better ***Also I cant play without Defensive wingers since my fullbacks are always leaking holes even with a 4 2 2 2 formation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 The two formations Danilo Tight and TA3 are plug and play formations from here and another site. I switched to contain when I conceeded 9 goals in one match and could not fathom how that could happen.I decided to make formations based on the twelve step guide and combinations This are the three 3 5 2 4 5 1 4 4 2 Now tim - if you followed those guides closely - you should not have come up with those systems. Your roles are ok, but your duty allocation is horrific. You need more movement. This means, getting some players who play deep, busting a gut to get forward (i.e. a CM(A) in your central midfield trio/diamond), you have a 4-4-2 diamond with an Enganche at the tip - he is a specifically central point in a system whose weakness is the AMC being marked out of the game. Maybe a Trequartista is better, offers same game, but moves into lateral space. If you have a strike pair - having 2 support duties is a really poor idea. So basically you have a single focal point to creating changes (Enganche), who is likely to be marked out of the game, then the 2 strikers are both coming deep, into the Enganche's already precious space - with nobody for the Enganche to play in goal (the Enganche's primary focus). Do you understand the problem now? You leak goals because your attack is so ineffective, it cannot keep up pressure on your opponents, so your defence is under extra pressure. The comments regarding team instructions being too many is correct. You should have about 4-5 key instructions that define your team's style. Then adjust the others on a situational basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbone Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 Now tim - if you followed those guides closely - you should not have come up with those systems. Your roles are ok, but your duty allocation is horrific. You need more movement. This means, getting some players who play deep, busting a gut to get forward (i.e. a CM(A) in your central midfield trio/diamond), you have a 4-4-2 diamond with an Enganche at the tip - he is a specifically central point in a system whose weakness is the AMC being marked out of the game. Maybe a Trequartista is better, offers same game, but moves into lateral space. If you have a strike pair - having 2 support duties is a really poor idea. So basically you have a single focal point to creating changes (Enganche), who is likely to be marked out of the game, then the 2 strikers are both coming deep, into the Enganche's already precious space - with nobody for the Enganche to play in goal (the Enganche's primary focus). Do you understand the problem now? You leak goals because your attack is so ineffective, it cannot keep up pressure on your opponents, so your defence is under extra pressure. The comments regarding team instructions being too many is correct. You should have about 4-5 key instructions that define your team's style. Then adjust the others on a situational basis. Thanks I did have a midfield with one support one defend and one attack like the guide but was still leaking goals, switching to very rigid seemed to have helped. About the strike partnership, I was thinking support duties will make them more difficult to mark. Thanks I did read in another guy not to shy away from two Defend duty in midfield but this is what I think I should do following your advice Change instructions to : Go one route only Change midfield roles: one attack, one support, one defend and then a Triq About the mentality, does switching to very rigid help with defending that much or did I just strike lucky? Also I want to buy defenders/defensive midfielders that could win me the Champions League, any tips? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Very rigid works best with more specialist roles. As for team instructions - route one is proper long ball stuff. For good aerial strikers, go more direct for swift counter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamianJMcGrath Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Tim why are you asking for help when you just replay games over and over until you win? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbone Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 Very rigid works best with more specialist roles. As for team instructions - route one is proper long ball stuff. For good aerial strikers, go more direct for swift counter. I understand the minimalist idea for the team instructions, my defense seems to do better with very rigid. I want your opinion on this goal I conceeded Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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