EvanPrevett Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Why are players never sent off for DOGSO? Can anyone provide any examples of DOGSO offences where the guy was binned? I've not had a single DOGSO red card yet in my save, yet I'm six months into the season and have had five instances where, as a referee myself, I would have dismissed for DOGSO yet the player received no card or a yellow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Have you got screenshots or videos of these incidents? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanPrevett Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 I can upload some happily to the bugs forum if I can establish whether or not this is actually a bug. I'm more intrigued as to whether DOGSO red cards actually happen or not, seeing as I always look at red cards in the match reports for all the leagues I have on now and very rarely see a red card for anything other than a bad foul in the middle of the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 There are two sending-off offences that deal with denying an opponent an obvious opportunity to score a goal: If a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball. If a player denies an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick (direct or indirect) or a penalty kick Criteria for deciding when to penalise for denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity: The direction of the play. The location of the foul. The proximity of the player to the ball. The probability of controlling the ball. The location and number of opponents. The opportunity for the attempt on goal. With all that under consideration - it's probably listed as "Professional Foul". If it's a rough tackle denying a goal then it's probably listed as "Violent Conduct". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanPrevett Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 No. Rough tackle is Serious Foul Play... not that the reasons are listed with reds on FM (not that I see anywhere anyway). You're right that the correct term for DOGSO is professional foul, but is there actually any red cards for professional fouls/DOGSO offences within FM? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikker Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I don't think I've seen a professional foul in FM15 yet. But in FM14 it did happen. Rarely though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 It comes up in the disciplinary action when issuing a player a warning or a fine. For a red card it will either say "professional foul" or "violent conduct" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanPrevett Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 Then I would say that FM15 deems a professional foul in fact as serious foul play and not denial of a goalscoring opportunity. Very sad to see that such a big part of football is missing from the game (DOGSO red cards), especially seeing as we see 4-5 DOGSO red cards across the top four leagues in England every week without fail!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 If it's flagged as someone being sent off for a professional foul it could well be a DOGSO. It's just not specific. Like when saying things like "violent behaviour" it doesn't say "does a flying kick into the crowd". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanPrevett Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 But it's not DOGSO. I have just been through 30 different clips with sendings off marked professional fouls and they are all serious foul play sending offs. It just doesn't look like DOGSO is ever considered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleaner475 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I had one a few matches ago, I'd say they aren't that common but they are in the game. Although I have no idea of the RL ration of DOGSO red cards to other red cards though so I don't know if it's massively mis-represented or not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanPrevett Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 I would say DOGSO is more common at lower league levels than at a higher standard, but is still present. To give some figures, last year in the Conference across 555 total fixtures being played (including play-off semi final & final), the disciplinary sanctions were as follows: 3,159 cautions 227 dismissals Of the 227 dismissals: S1 - 39 dismissals S2 - 25 dismissals S3 - 2 dismissals S4 & S5 - 105 dismissals S6 - 4 dismissals S7 - 52 dismissals As you can see, almost half of all red cards issued were for DOGSO. (I would've done this for the PL or FL, but could only find misconduct stats for the Conference) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanPrevett Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 This is what I am talking about mikenevo, I get penalties, soft sometimes albeit but then I think that if the referee has decided it's a penalty there's no way he can't send the player off for stopping my guy from scoring. I don't know, meh. I'll try to go back and get some of my highlights into the bugs forum I guess. PS: I'm surprised that there was an average of 1 red card every two games in the conference last season! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Here you go, I posted it in the feedback thread as well. [video=youtube;TWuWkf8nhtI] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Just for the record, the ref first warns another player for having a go at the ref and then he red cards the other player, the message at the bottom was "He was the last man". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejawilson Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Have noticed this a lot, I had 3 pens in one match for my striker or winger being brought down and no red cards when they were clearly last man. Also very rarely see yellows for penalties of any sort. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanPrevett Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 Here you go, I posted it in the feedback thread as well.[video=youtube;TWuWkf8nhtI] It's a miracle! First DOGSO red card I've seen in FM15 well at least we now know it's not completely bugged Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleaner475 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Here's my one, Coentrao takes the Everton players legs away, he accepted his two week fine though <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/r8LMMqWSmL0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pazzmon92 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Wouldn't say the ARSvEVE game is a DOGSO as Arsenal do still have two players inbetween the ball and the goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brawla123 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I've never seen one either. The player usually gets a yellow card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanPrevett Posted December 5, 2014 Author Share Posted December 5, 2014 Wouldn't say the ARSvEVE game is a DOGSO as Arsenal do still have two players inbetween the ball and the goal. DOGSO as he was about to shoot clear on goal basically. Well, at least we can see DOGSOs are given, even if they are rare. Thanks for sharing guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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