SJ234 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 13-14 was good defensively ignoring the big game collapse. City away was down to a midfield incapable of protecting the defence (defensive structure + Flamini). Liverpool and Chelsea was destruction by pressing on the most part. We couldn't get the ball out, lose it near to our goal and they are outnumbered. Woj finished with the most clean sheets alongside Cech. So whilst structural flaws were prevalent in those big defeats it wasn't like the team was defending awfully otherwise or that the whole season was marred by bad defensive structure. The flaw which held us back the most, inability to beat a press and the subsequent counter, isn't even close to the difficulties we faced against Carroll. 12-13 we had the second best defensive record in the league. I have been told many times on twitter that in 10-11 we had the best open play defensive record, no idea if it is accurate. My point is that to say that the coaching methods have been outdated doesn't tally up with the performances. There are defensive issues but not those which correlate with Carroll scoring a hattrick. Our biggest issue is we don't defend counter attacks well at all because we don't press well when we lose the ball nor do we have a midfield that good at stopping counters. These issues however haven't been troubling Gabriel, he is struggling with balls over the top or basic defending in his own box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I think our defense in the league is fine for the most part for the same reason our attack is fine in the league for the most part: We have better players than most teams. Even when we look disjointed, one of our attackers usually come up with something. I don't think our defense is that well organized, but individually they're good enough to hold their own and bail each other out against weaker teams. That's why we sometimes have massive collapse against big teams, like a few years ago. That's why in the UCL, where better organization is needed, we never look solid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vynal Seven Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Not sure what else Kante brings apart from added energy and ball winning. How about turning up in April? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Like Kante is going to change anything in that regard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Pretty sure Arsenal's problem this season was not turning up in January, February and March rather than April. Last season it was September and October Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Wonder what happens when Wilshere is fit, who plays where especially with Ramsey back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 Well, Coquelin shouldn't be starting matches for us, but Wenger will persist with him for at least the rest of the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Probably he thinks Wilshere-Coquelin is best as a 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/15/arsene-wenger-arsenal-transfer-market-tottenham-hotspur-premier-league?CMP=share_btn_tw I really don't want this guy anywhere near this club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/15/arsene-wenger-arsenal-transfer-market-tottenham-hotspur-premier-league?CMP=share_btn_twI really don't want this guy anywhere near this club To be fair, he didn't say it'll be limited. He's just saying that it's not easy to get the player we want even if we have the money (the old no better striker available argument of last summer.) I do take offense with this quote though "The team is going the right way" Like....WTF? Seriously? The team is not going in the right way. There is something fundamentally wrong with the team that is preventing us from going in the right way. I have no idea what he's talking about here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 The headline isn't what I took issue with. It was the comment you highlighted. Ridiculous from him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 Cech's back, but Wenger persists with Gabriel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFootballManager Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Chambers is just going to rot away isn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggaeBwoy Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Cech's back, but Wenger persists with Gabriel TBH, that is the right thing. He needs them to get as much games together so they get that connection with each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr1s Lawson Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 TBH, that is the right thing. He needs them to get as much games together so they get that connection with each other. So he has an excuse to not buy a better Cb in the summer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggaeBwoy Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 So he has an excuse to not buy a better Cb in the summer! I am hearing you lot are also in for Manolas which I hope is not true as I want him at us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 I am hearing you lot are also in for Manolas which I hope is not true as I want him at us. Trust me, we're not going to spend that much on a defender - he'll be all yours Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr1s Lawson Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 I am hearing you lot are also in for Manolas which I hope is not true as I want him at us. You being in for the same player is also an excuse for us not to have to sign one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jisntdaman Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 So predictable. So boring. So Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.O.V.I Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Everything about this club is so god damn stale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Embarrassing to drop points yet again. How he can come out with the "the team is going in the right way" is pathetic. The only way we're going is down. We'll be lucky to make top four - the thing is I'm not even sure I care if we make it, won't change much next year if we've still got Wenger in charge anyway. Be pretty funny to see Wenger's outrage if Liverpool win Europa, City win the CL and despite finishing 4th we don't get CL. Although doubtful that we beat City and put them in a position where they won't finish 3rd now anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 Please please please will Arsene Wenger ****ing **** off. Sick of his ****. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 TBH, that is the right thing. He needs them to get as much games together so they get that connection with each other. It's the right thing to play a dreadful CB consistently? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Does Walcott have an absolutely massive unused substitute fee clause in that iron clad contract? Don't see why else Wenger's still persisting with that useless **** instead of Campbell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 Theo and Campbell are both the same. Neither are good enough. But focusing on Theo misses the point somewhat. Our wonderful manager made 3 dreadful subs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 I don't think Campbell's good enough either but he's definitely looked less **** than Walcott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 It was a needless sub anyway. Or if you want to go attacking take off Coquelin who is a massive waste of space in games like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Taking off Elneny was stupid in any situation today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 Taking off Elneny was stupid in any situation today. Elneny, Iwobi and Welbeck should have stayed on the pitch. The first sub should have been Ramsey on for Coquelin at half time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggaeBwoy Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 You being in for the same player is also an excuse for us not to have to sign one. Surely he has got to go out and buy a CB? He knows that all the other teams around you lot will be doing business. Koscielny picks up the odd injury from time to time to so I think he has to. Theo and Campbell are both the same. Neither are good enough.But focusing on Theo misses the point somewhat. Our wonderful manager made 3 dreadful subs. Giroud coming on was understandable. All of them were actually imo. Walcott was bad when he came on but what other choice would you have done? Giroud was always going to come on. Ramsey too. Walcott/Campbell was always going to be the other one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 It wasn't so much the players coming on, it was who he took off. We lost all shape and balance with those subs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggaeBwoy Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr1s Lawson Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Surely he has got to go out and buy a CB? He knows that all the other teams around you lot will be doing business. Koscielny picks up the odd injury from time to time to so I think he has to. You know that, we know that but there's a massive stumbling block!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Commentators are right that the crowd doesn't help in moaning at every mistake tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 Commentators are right that the crowd doesn't help in moaning at every mistake tbh The club doesn't help by making the same ****ing mistakes all the time. It's not the fans fault. The level of frustration has built up over the years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Commentators are right that the crowd doesn't help in moaning at every mistake tbh The crowd are free to show their displeasure, no reason that their support should be unwavering & never negative. If clubs stop looking at fans as a resource to be exploited (as a means of financial income) then maybe those fans would not be so vocal if the product they are being sold is consistently disappointing, that's not to say fans wouldn't complain if everything was free but that's the deal the club have entered into by charging so much on the basis that they are providing an entertainment product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Commentators are right that the crowd doesn't help in moaning at every mistake tbh Such a lazy thing for commentators to say, fans have been really supportive of the team, things only turn when it all turns to **** in games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 Newcastle have scored more league goals at home than we have this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Looking at the table you're not alone, goal count doesn't look good for a lot of teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 the football we've played this season is the worst I have ever seen under Arsene Wenger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Shaking up the front 4 worked for two and a half games then. Not sure what else Wenger can try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 He can try not playing two holding midfielders at home to Palace? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 I just had that feeling today, after about 10 minutes that it was a game we weren't going to win. It was just that oh-so-familiar pattern of pass, pass, pass, moving the ball back deep and inside, recycling it again - and just not enough pace. We don't take people on enough, we don't force gaps, we don't move the ball quickly enough, we don't shut down the danger quickly enough. Pressing is haphazard and inconsistent - try looking at Atletico for how to defend. I admire their combative and abrasive style - they defend with such organisation and commitment. It's their organisation which is the most outstanding. It doesn't matter who is in goal, who plays in defence - they are unbelievable week in week out. We play the ball with so little pace, it leaves an aerial threat like Giroud with no real crosses to attack, and when he does, they are hung up too much and easy pickings for any organised keeper and centre backs. Look at Carroll last week - he peeled off and isolated a full back, because West Ham had men over to occupy the defenders. The crosses were quick enough and he got plenty of job. Welbeck works hard, adds good balance but has to improve his finishing - having said that, if we gave him chances to put away he might just do that. I have nothing to blame Cech for today - he was a touch slow to react, but not much he could do with a shot that good. He's saved us more than enough points this season already. I was annoyed at the subs today - Giroud for Welbeck just slowed the game up. All of a sudden Giroud doesn't fit us much anymore, and I think it's time to consider him at best a squad option now. He's served us well for a few years now, but it's time to move us along. Ramsey is good when he keeps it simply, he could learn from Elneny in that regard actually, but while he never hides when the going gets tough, he just wasn't the right player at that point in the game. We already had the right pair on in central midfield. Walcott's Arsenal career is over, and I am absolutely certain he gets sold in the summer, because he won't displace any of our right midfielders or strikers in the pecking order. Think it's harsh on Campbell, a player who is clearly not world class, but has been a hard worker, and made a difference this season when we've been really short of options, to sit on the bench and not get a chance because Walcott is here. I'm just really really angry tonight. It's just the same defensive deficiences - whoever he plays or buys. It's the same ineffective attacking style of slow possession that has been there for years. It's the same errors from a manager who I had idolized for years, but now just resembles a stubborn man - the very epitome of Einstein's definition of insanity "repeating the same thing expecting different results". I am angry the board have just let this malaise fester in the club, as well as the fact the football soul of our club is gone from the club - Wenger is the last we have left. We have lost Dein, Fiszman, Hill-Wood, Carr, Bracewell-Smith and the others that just oozed the spirit and class of our club. Angry that the fans are split into "pro" and "anti" Wenger and not simply all Arsenal supporters. I am angry that we have no excuse for not spending money on players that can improve us, despite sitting on exorbitant amounts of money - not billionaire money, but everyday people like us for whom a season ticket, or matchday tickets and travel are actually really expensive. I'm angry that we are 7 points worse off than this time last year - a year when everyone has been dropping points for fun and a title was a realistic ambition. I'm angry that I stay up for late kick offs here and watch us at stupid times, and then get up for work knackered the next morning because I don't want to miss the games still - and it is only just dawning on me that frankly the club really don't deserve the following it gets right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Apparently we've won just 3 of our last 12 games in all competitions. Shocking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Apparently we've won just 3 of our last 12 games in all competitions. Shocking. This resembles the 10-11 season run-in. We had 2 wins then, against Blackpool away and Man utd at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Don't fancy our chances of getting 4th as things stand. Luckily West Ham have fallen away, but ManUtd are only 4 behind, Liverpool a bit further back but they have a **** easy run in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 The only bottle this team has is for a 4th place scrap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggaeBwoy Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Who does Walcott go to though if he leaves? I don't see who is going to pay big money for him unless it is from China. Maybe West Ham... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Ermmm, we are far too inconsistent and will be rotating the kids judging by today's lineup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.O.V.I Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 the football we've played this season is the worst I have ever seen under Arsene Wenger. Not quite 2006/2007 levels but it's not far off for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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