Pangaea Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 That was a disgusting performance. Did absolutely nothing, barely even attempted to play football. Slow and non penetrating passing even made Newcastle look good. If anybody had delusions about this tit not being a troll (sorry for quoting it, was too tempted to see what it had written) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheps. Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 We were dreadful in the final third. Just like we have been every league game so far. Really disappointed in our performance after the way we started, but 7 points from the first 3 games isn't too bad, especially with all the other title challengers dropping points in previous weeks (apart from City). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 20 - 7 attempts and 8 - 0 on target says otherwise I'd say. Some of those were pretty big too, and Newcastle must have had about 50 blocked shots or crosses No it doesn't. Those stats don't tell us anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 No tempo, no pace, no football. we saw absolutely nothing against one of the worst teams in the league and playing at home. Pangaea, this is not even a reasonable performance for a midtable team let alone United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 So incredibly frustrating. Had a few good chances but couldn't take them. Started very well in the opening 20 mins, didn't get the goal and then started to play the sideways passes, not many if any penetrating passes forward, only went for it in the last 10 mins. Carrick and Hernandez improved us in the final third, Rooney poor as usual, start Hernandez for a few games, Rooney at no.10 or on the bench. Defensively solid again, four straight league clean shhets now. Offensively its going to cost us games, not at the back. Two massive points dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 LVG can **** off. He is satisfied with the performance, what a disgusting tit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 No it doesn't. Those stats don't tell us anything. On their own they don't necessarily say too much - all shots could have been from 40 meters - however, I'm not sure how one could watch that match and think United didn't deserve to win. United was quite clearly the better team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 You think the Darmian off for Valencia thing was a Valencia is more attacking (or fresh legs) situation? Personally, I think Darmian gets up pretty well down the line Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Main thing I have a problem with is the style of football. It's ugly play focussing on keeping the ball, high numbers of possession but without doing anything with it. It is completely pointless. Under Fergie, we had less possession but when we got the ball we knew what to do. The very short periods of time we looked a bit more dangerous is when we scrapped the systematic ***** style of play and played more direct, however a few minutes over a 90 min match is not enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I think he over-rated Valencia's attacking ability and thought because Darmian wasted a few chances down the right Valencia might have more joy. In fairness he might have if he ever tried to exploit the 3 or 4 1v1's he found himself in instead of lofting in a cross or passing it back to Schneiderlin or Carrick. Strange when subbing a RB for a RW appears like a defensive move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 went to the game today. won't be going back any time soon please buy a striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 You could tell today after 30 minutes that we weren't going to score. Don't see us signing a striker in this window either, who would we sign anyway? Kane? Can't see us paying the sort of money that Spurs would want for him this summer. There's a real dearth of top level strikers around these days. Would take Mane, put him on the RW, got a lot of pace and an eye for goal, can get in behind and stretch teams we we really lack atm. Not the top level sort of signing we seem to be looking for but he is only 23 and has room to improve and would bring a different dimension to the side. As good as Mata is, he isn't a winger and drifts inside too much, doesn't really look to get in behind the opposition defence too often and of course doesn't have the pace anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 You think the Darmian off for Valencia thing was a Valencia is more attacking (or fresh legs) situation?Personally, I think Darmian gets up pretty well down the line he does get up and down well. reason valencia came on was because darmian was exhausted and could barely run forward after about the 70th minute. but then valencia just kept squaring it to carrick for no reason instead of having a run anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsy Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Just finished the match. Well that was incredibly frustrating. Thought Depay was really poor today. Misplaced several passes, gave the ball away often, and no real end product due to poor crosses. Not a fine showing for the lad. Januzaj was poor again and compounded a usual lackluster display with yet another pathetic attempt at a dive that he was quite frankly lucky not to get a yellow for. Rooney was again pretty useless and ineffective, though looked a lot more useful once he moved behind Hernandez. Really not sure what the Darmian off for Valencia move was all about, unless he had a knock or was just knackered? Thought he and Smalling were - as is becoming quite the theme - both fantastic again today. Really would like to never see Valencia in a United shirt ever again, though in fairness I felt that way well before this game. Looked more threatening and sharp around the opposition box than we have, but still far too lacking in pace and incisiveness, though at least we created more openings today. We just had some bad luck - Smalling with a great header on the foot of the post, Hernandez having a chance well saved that he may well have converted had he played more regularly coming in to the chance - but also perhaps tried to be a touch too clever when in and around the box. Carrick also unlucky to see a deflected show go an inch wide. Have said this probably after 2 of the 3 previous matches already this season, but please can Januzaj go somewhere on loan. Play regularly, cut out all the ****** tricks, cut out the embarrassing diving, and just learn a lot more than he has so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Can ask for a striker etc., but the team is so rigid. No movement at all, and that isn't all on Rooney. It reminds me of something I read comparing van Gaal's Bayern to Heynckes'. Can't remember where I read it. But the comparison came because they both played 4-2-3-1, and it basically said that Heynckes' team was more fluid, had more movement, whereas van Gaal's was rigid and seemed to value possession too highly at times. I didn't see van Gaal's Bayern much in the Bundesliga, but it definitely rung true in the Champions League (the comparison). That's what I see here tbh. The extent of the movement is Mata coming in off the right wing. Can blame Rooney, say he's rubbish and whatever, but getting a new striker isn't going to solve the issue. You'll just have someone who can get you out of a hole more often through individual brilliance. Which Rooney can do btw, just maybe not as often as in the past. Although I still like him. That said, I think Man Utd will do really well in Europe this year. Because of the way van Gaal insists on playing. Tailor-made for Champions League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsy Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Would like to see the following line up next Wednesday Romero Same defence Schweinsteiger Herrera Young Mata Depay Hernandez Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 januzaj took his sweet time getting off the pitch when he was subbed as well. proper strolling about. dickhead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsy Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 januzaj took his sweet time getting off the pitch when he was subbed as well. proper strolling about. dickhead. Oh yeah, that was something else I intended to mention but forgot to, after listing all his other faults. I was almost waiting for him to really whinge about being brought off despite being absolutely terrible. Just hate his attitude what with the diving and trudging off when we need a goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Can ask for a striker etc., but the team is so rigid. No movement at all, and that isn't all on Rooney.It reminds me of something I read comparing van Gaal's Bayern to Heynckes'. Can't remember where I read it. But the comparison came because they both played 4-2-3-1, and it basically said that Heynckes' team was more fluid, had more movement, whereas van Gaal's was rigid and seemed to value possession too highly at times. I didn't see van Gaal's Bayern much in the Bundesliga, but it definitely rung true in the Champions League (the comparison). That's what I see here tbh. The extent of the movement is Mata coming in off the right wing. Can blame Rooney, say he's rubbish and whatever, but getting a new striker isn't going to solve the issue. You'll just have someone who can get you out of a hole more often through individual brilliance. Which Rooney can do btw, just maybe not as often as in the past. Although I still like him. That said, I think Man Utd will do really well in Europe this year. Because of the way van Gaal insists on playing. Tailor-made for Champions League. there's no movement because rooney hardly moves when mata comes inside. and when he does finally get it it usually bounces off him, he just slows everything down. we should really be starting with hernandez until we find someone better, at least he runs in behind and drags people with him even if he doesn't always get the ball. so yeah, rooney is rubbish. a new striker will hopefully move about more in front of what is a rigid set up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 We battered them for about 20 minutes in each half, the problem was the 50 in the middle where we meandered through the game without really working them. Schneiderlin just wasn't needed that game, he's great at covering the defence but just not good enough on the ball for those types of games, doesn't abuse space and is too willing to play the easy pass and let the game slide by him. Yeah, this was one of those where we needed Herrera in for one of the CMs and/or Mata switched with Januzaj. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 It's about time players and the manager had a word with Januzaj about his cheating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 For the record, this was the first game since 1998 that Rooney had more than one shot on target. (might be since early this year but same thing, really) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crplz Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 To quote LVG in case he's playing English games. 'We are not selling De Gea'... Get him in the team next game then. What I'm wondering is if he's not gonna be sold... and he's not being played because his head's not in the right place... is he gonna be on the bench all season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 When the window snaps shuts it will bump his head into the right place. Speaking of the window, we're apparently signing some Norwegian who's EVEN BETTER than that Ödegard fellow, who's obviously ****ing amazing seeing as how Real Madrid signed him. Now awaiting confirmation said 17 year old prodigy has signed a new contract with his current team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Loved Hummels' reaction in midweek after facing him when he was told he was just 17. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crplz Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 When the window snaps shuts it will bump his head into the right place. Won't his head just get further away the closer it gets to January when he can sign a pre-contract with Madrid? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordan Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 When the window snaps shuts it will bump his head into the right place.Speaking of the window, we're apparently signing some Norwegian who's EVEN BETTER than that Ödegard fellow, who's obviously ****ing amazing seeing as how Real Madrid signed him. Now awaiting confirmation said 17 year old prodigy has signed a new contract with his current team Rafik Zekhnini or something like that,club says no bids but they would say that regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 his dream is to play for man utd could we buy him for peanuts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxToBox Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 3.3m Euro bid, apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 How much would that be in peanuts? Perhaps the club owner's son has an elephant or something, they're Odd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 less then Pedro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 For the record, this was the first game since 1998 that Rooney had more than one shot on target.(might be since early this year but same thing, really) How can that be true? He's not had more than one shot on target in a game in 17 years?? He's scored more than 1 goal in games so that would be 2 shots on target. I am missing a zinger here? (possible) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 He was 13 in '98 Razz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Haha, I can assume it's first time he hasn't had two shots on target then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Haha, I just re-read Ice's post and totally mis-read the brackets Duh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I take back what I said in the other thread. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Well yesterday was just dull bar the opening 20 minutes. Memphis was pretty poor - beat his man plenty but then always chose the wrong option. Also appeared to get pretty disheartened very quickly. I'm going to make a wild prediction, fans/board will become cranky at the style of football/player choices leading to LVG getting tetchy. He won't be here this time next year. It's Bayern all over again: Bayern Munich coach Louis van Gaal will leave the German club by mutual consent at the end of the season, one year before his contract was due to expire. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge explaining that there had been "no alternative" but to part company with Van Gaal: "Football should be enjoyable, but there has been nothing enjoyable about football at FC Bayern for a while now."And to say that he had the players behind him was a myth." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Was on holiday a couple days ago and thought I'd check the football to see us sign Pedro and whoever else... and then i saw what happened Pedro scoring a few goals today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Definitely didn't want him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 What a shambles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahno6 Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Just watch him get an assist for Falcao later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I guess it'll all make sense when we sign Bale and Neymar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 What a shambles. It really was tbh. Dithering Ed. Would be amusing to know what was said between the pair when it dawned on them Pedro went to Chelsea instead. I reckon LVG saying "My job is also to protect the club, the staff, the players" prevents him from saying "Ed is f***ing bellend, and our owners aren't fit to suck my knob. Easiest deal in the world, and he messed it up. Can you believe it?! I shall put my foot up his arse. With clogs." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 A goal and pace on the counter with an assist. Nah, we don't need that for 20 mil. It's fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 It can't all be levelled at Ed. If this was in the Moyes reign all hatred would have been directed right at his head. LVG has a lot to answer for in this transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 It can't all be levelled at Ed.If this was in the Moyes reign all hatred would have been directed right at his head. LVG has a lot to answer for in this transfer. It wasn't right then either. It's not Moyes or LVG negotiating with clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 It wasn't right then either. It's not Moyes or LVG negotiating with clubs. For all you or I know, Ed did his job. LVG was the one who couldn't make his mind up by all accounts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Just blame the club as a whole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio_V Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I guess it'll all make sense when we sign Bale and Neymar. And turns him into a defensive LB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio_V Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Might it be that our Spanish/Argentine discontent contributed to Pedro's choice? Not like these guys don't all speak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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