Fmfan00 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 If say u start in vanarama north how far up before u can get a affiliate club from England or another country? Sky bet league 2? Not talking about senior affiliate talking about the other kind where u have the first crack at their regens and youth take etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dllu Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I have managed clubs in Conf N/S that had first option feeder clubs like you describe, but those deals were already in place when I arrived. I would say the main thing that determines when you are "big enough" to be a parent club is your economy. If you ask the board and they refuse, the reason will usually be that they can't afford it right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethjohn79 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Will affiliates and friendly matches be made more realistic in future? Affiliating seems far more common on FM than RL the only one that is commonly known is the Watford-Granada-Udinese yet this is more of an joint ownership deal rather than affiliation,similarly Man City's deal with NYFC and the Australian club. You may get parent clubs that loan out to a certain smaller club and favor them but the receiving club will generally need to fill out a criteria such as style of play, facilities and coaching reputation (Crewe and Arsenal for eg) yet I doubt this has anything to do with an FM style affiliation and more than likely Crewe are a suitable place for young ''Arsenal'' type players to learn. Or a relationship between two managers. Generally all you tend to get is an agreement between two local teams where by the bigger club uses the smaller Clubs ground for reserve team games. Playing as Stenhousemuir in FM I have set up with Dundee United and receive a handsome fee with a wealth of clubs seemingly falling over themselves to set them selves up with my club for the privilege yet I doubt this would occur so easily IRL where seemingly any small club can set up an affiliation. You may get an odd loan but I would guarantee Dundee United would insist on a training facility, and coaching standard that would benefit it's relatively productive Youth squad. Stenhousemuir IRL do share an SFA training facility with Falkirk yet I do not think that this would be anything like an FM style affiliation(Which does not include a training agreement between two club's) between Falkirk and Stenhousemuir where by Falkirk pay £25,000 to Stenhousemuir, and play a friendly for the set up. FM affiliations do not seem to have any benefit for the parent club yet so many are more than willing to set up a link. Friendlies are also far more lucrative and bizarre on FM than IRL I've seen Bangor V Sunderland's 1st team, Bala V Aston Villa firts team, yet IRL You would be hard pushed to get anything more than a closed door friendly between a Liverpool reserve/trialist squad . Even L1 & 2 clubs have rarely set up matches against WPL clubs. In early CM days this occasionally occured with Youth/Reserve/Fringe first teamers playing a Welsh league club IRL but FM doesn't seem too have progressed with the the current trend in pre-season fixtures. Liverpool, Man United, Chelsea? How many of their first XI played a friendly against LL clubs in the last 5 seasons? Yet FM allows a player of these clubs to set up a First team game between them and Flint Town United so the FM Player can boost moral by gaining a big win, similarly you can fix a friendly with an EPL club when you are a small team to boost your finances by a couple of hundred grand. IRL Bournemouth played Real Madrid a couple of seasons ago but paid an absolute fortune for the privilege and unlikely made a massive profit from the game yet FM allows you to circumnavigate this problem by affiliating yourselves with each other. Its only a minor issue but if FM wants to become more realistic then I believe it can remove artificial financial boosts, morale boosts and affiliation setups to give FM players an unrealistic advantage over RL managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingdinho Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 It's probably much more common that you think. I just don't think affiliations are heavily publicized or carry much interest in the media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_feeder_teams_in_football#England Also big clubs do play little clubs in pre-season friendlies: http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2015-16/pre-season-fixtures-of-barclays-premier-league-clubs-2015-2016.html Now, the biggest teams do tend these days to play in lucrative foreign tournaments, but I think that's a more recent trend. You still have Premier League teams playing lower league clubs in the above fixture list. Edit: just seen two classically FM-style ones: 11 July Gorleston 0-7 Norwich City (Emerald Park) 14 July Hitchin Town 0-10 Norwich City (Top Field) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dllu Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Will affiliates and friendly matches be made more realistic in future? Affiliating seems far more common on FM than RL the only one that is commonly known is the Watford-Granada-Udinese yet this is more of an joint ownership deal rather than affiliation,similarly Man City's deal with NYFC and the Australian club. That depends what you mean by "affiliate". If you mean having feeder clubs to scour an area of talented youngsters, I think you will find that pretty much every professional club in the world does that, at the very least in their own local area. If you mean bigger clubs (part-)owning "franchises" in other countries (like Man City-NYFC or the Red Bull conglomerate), that is also not uncommon, although usually on a smaller scale. For instance, lots of European clubs have "academy clubs" in various African countries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miravlix Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 What I don't understand (I'm sure some one could write thick boring books on the subject) is why someone like the op, comes barging in, throwing around outrages claims, with little or no reality check involved. Why is it so hard for people to post their concern as a question, so they don't end up looking like complete idiots when you correct their wrong assumption. Is it really so hard to write "Is affiliated clubs realistic?" and start a discussion on the topic, instead of arrogantly posting that this or that is unrealistic, wrong, or whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethjohn79 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I would love to see a full terms and conditions on the affiliate relationship. It could be nothing more than having exclusive rights to sell a shirt in the shop. ''First refusal by a parent club if a bid is made for your player'' Has a senior affiliate ever used this clause in FM? and the only one I can remember IRL was John Obi Mikel to Chelsea when he was supposed to be joining United and I am absolutely certain the fall out from that will have had on the freedom of movement for a player would have changed since that. And how many of those Club's will be getting the sorts of fees FM generates. IRL Stenhousemuir would be happy with a link up with Dundee United and probably would do it for free yet I had a whole load of clubs clamoring for me to choose them and offering to pay £25,000 on top. When it comes to the work-permit rule Chelsea appear to be loaning out for fees why would they send one to an ''affiliate'' for free and then pay the junior affiliate money on top? It's become as an income stream for them rather than an option too ''blood youngsters''. I doubt Man United first team will ever play Connah's Quay in a friendly, it happens frequently in FM If you manage Man United you will be able to arrange it often ( The closest we got this season was Liverpool V TNS which was a closed door game not a money spinning match-up) Have you got the squads for the Norwich fixtures they are often listed as Norwich/Everton etc but you will not be seeing a full strength side against Gorleston? The thing with FM is its used as an unrealistic tool to boost finances or moral of the squad. Would Liverpool's start of a season be aided by a moral boosting 11-0 thumping of Barmouth? Could Newtown bankroll a title push by arranging friendlies away to Real Madrid, Barcelona and Athletico Madrid? Shrewsbury Town played Galatasary in a friendly a couple of years ago the fee was massive and on condition Gala played Drogba at some point does FM allow this situation? They haven't done a similar thing since. They may get WBA, Brum or Wolves but they are only a div or two above. Market Drayton wouldn't get a WBA, Villa open friendly these days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethjohn79 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 What I don't understand (I'm sure some one could write thick boring books on the subject) is why someone like the op, comes barging in, throwing around outrages claims, with little or no reality check involved.Why is it so hard for people to post their concern as a question, so they don't end up looking like complete idiots when you correct their wrong assumption. Is it really so hard to write "Is affiliated clubs realistic?" and start a discussion on the topic, instead of arrogantly posting that this or that is unrealistic, wrong, or whatever.[/quote You know the ins and outs of affiliated club do you? And please show me an FM type relationship that exists IRL and is as easy to set up as it is on FM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner86 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Wenger didn't sign Ronaldo in part because of "Manchester United had a partnership agreement with Lisbon"... http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-how-close-we-came-to-signing-ronaldo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethjohn79 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Wenger didn't sign Ronaldo in part because of "Manchester United had a partnership agreement with Lisbon"...http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-how-close-we-came-to-signing-ronaldo Fergie seen him take his team apart and signed him up realising this they subsequently linked up believing Nani maybe another Ronaldo in the ,aking. Ronaldhinio was on the market at the same time. United decided that Ronaldo was the better option after targeting both. If Wenger had the cash why didn't he go for Ronaldhinio whom he wanted before he was eligible? Hes always got an excuse Arsenal at the time were the equal of United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner86 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Fergie seen him take his team apart and signed him up realising this they subsequently linked up believing Nani maybe another Ronaldo in the ,aking. Ronaldhinio was on the market at the same time. United decided that Ronaldo was the better option after targeting both. If Wenger had the cash why didn't he go for Ronaldhinio whom he wanted before he was eligible? Hes always got an excuse Arsenal at the time were the equal of United. The point is, that Wenger had met with Ronaldo before he went to United. Arsenal didn't sign him, partly because of the fee, partly because of the partnership between Sporting and United. It's not about making excuses, the article goes to show that these working partnerships do exist. Don't RMadrid and Tottenham have some kind of partnership in place also? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdiatmh Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 What I don't understand (I'm sure some one could write thick boring books on the subject) is why someone like the op, comes barging in, throwing around outrages claims, with little or no reality check involved.Why is it so hard for people to post their concern as a question, so they don't end up looking like complete idiots when you correct their wrong assumption. Is it really so hard to write "Is affiliated clubs realistic?" and start a discussion on the topic, instead of arrogantly posting that this or that is unrealistic, wrong, or whatever. it is in plain black and white they want to know what level you have to be at (league 2, conference N/S, whatever) before you can get a 'feeder' club for youth prospects my speculation would be whenever your scouting range gets expanded from domestic, but I'm not sure what level that's at Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmfan00 Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 is it even possible to have a Vanarama Conference North club have a feeder team from another country so that when they get youth intakes u can sign them if u can afford it? Like obviously u wouldnt be able to afford Mexicans from the top Mexican league but i thought if there were really weak clubs u could afford them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dllu Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 is it even possible to have a Vanarama Conference North club have a feeder team from another country so that when they get youth intakes u can sign them if u can afford it? Like obviously u wouldnt be able to afford Mexicans from the top Mexican league but i thought if there were really weak clubs u could afford them? Again, I would think - and this is only an educated guess - that it is possible, at least in theory. It seems to me that what matters is 1) Your club's reputation relative to that of potential feeder clubs 2) Your club's economy if the affiliation involves a yearly fee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner86 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 it is in plain black and whitethey want to know what level you have to be at (league 2, conference N/S, whatever) before you can get a 'feeder' club for youth prospects my speculation would be whenever your scouting range gets expanded from domestic, but I'm not sure what level that's at This from memory of some saves seems to be around the League One/Championship level in England Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmfan00 Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 so when i go to look for a Affiliation im looking for a feeder club for what im taking about then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdiatmh Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 so when i go to look for a Affiliation im looking for a feeder club for what im taking about then? yes, you're looking for a 'feeder' club for regen/work permit help a 'parent' club will look to get a top-division club for their youth (so you can help them) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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