Can anyone help me turn my dominance into more CCCs and goals?

[martplfc1]

Firstly, I'm doing pretty well. I know I'm Bayern and would expect to do well, but I get so many games which play out like this:

I.e. absolutely battering teams but with a modest score line.

This is my tactic:

These were the instructions for the match above:

I have switched between short passing, retain possession, work ball into box, slower tempo, higher tempo etc etc but most of the time the result is the same. Is there anything I can do?

[SpartyOn]

I'd be pretty happy with that result against Leverkusen, but that said...

Your issue, to me, is who's looking to score your goals? Your front 5 includes a DLF who will drop deep and try to play others in, 3 playmakers in midfield, and a winger who will stay wide and look to cross. Everybody looking to play the killer ball, nobody looking to run onto it.

The most obvious candidate for a more attacking role would be Muller. I'd also want Robben cutting inside and looking to score rather than staying wide. Maybe put Robben at MR, Muller at ML, give them both the WM/A role and then tailor it to their strengths with PIs - cut inside and dribble more for Robben, sit narrower and roam from position for Muller to make him play like a raumdeuter.

[Spart]

Agreed about Robben and Muller. You've overloaded yourself with playmakers and not left enough people to get on with the business of actually trying to finish chances off.

As well as making Robben and Muller more attacking and less like support players, you could try making Vidal a box-to-box or even a central midfielder on attack duty. He should be adding some drive to the midfield, not pondering over the ball some more. Keep the Roaming aspect of being a Roaming Playmaker and take away the unnecessary rest of it.

Hopefully, by unleashing that three to rush forward to support Lewie rather than hold back with ball, you'll overwhelm defences far faster and more effectively to convert chances into bigger scores.

Also not sure about Lahm being the main force pushing up from defence. Alaba's far better suited to that with Lahm playing a more supportive role.

[martplfc1]

Cheers I'll give it a go

[martplfc1]

First game with the above suggestions. Also put Lewandowski in an attacking role rather than support. Conceded 2 due to two errors from one of the centre backs. Will see how we get on in the next few

[martplfc1]

Starting to create loads more chances now and scoring more freely. These are my results since the change (after Leverkusen):

[mpreston85]

How many are Long Shots? Attacking will make players try to score quickly so more likely to shoot from distance rather than just passing it backwards. Might be worth trying "Work Ball into Box" if there are too many long shots.

[onetopic]

This is nothing, i had a couple of matches where i had close to 50 shots, and 11 of them was CCC. And i only manage to win 1-0 and 1-1 draw in the other game. Annoying.

Formation and tactic is not always the reason, mentality from players and training does have an effect on how you perform in a match as well.

And not to forget if the opposition "parks the buss".

Like mpreston is saying, have a look at where the shots comes.

[martplfc1]

I've been creating and converting more chances since switching about with Robben, Muller and Lewandowski. From memory the long shots have come down a bit too. Previously there were loads but using "work ball into box" didn't seem to do much.

I might try adding it again now to see if more chances are created.

PS why do the shots on/off target stat not add up to total shots? Bug or am I missing something? Or does it not show blocked shots?

[mpreston85]

Pretty sure you are correct, you can customize the stats that are shown/hidden, I just can't remember how.

[alinp]

Pretty sure you are correct, you can customize the stats that are shown/hidden, I just can't remember how.

It's worthwhile setting this up IMO. A couple of good general rules of thumb (although not a perfect actual rules) are -

Too many long shots and/or off target - turn on Work Ball into Box, Retain Possession, Reduce Tempo (one, all or a combination as you wish)

Too many blocked - Increase Tempo

[Kelron]

I've recently been reading the stickied threads here, especially rashidi's, and it's really helped me start to analyse my own tactics and understand what I'm looking for.

I ended up putting some players into roles that seemed counter intuitive at first, but watching their movement and behaviour on the pitch is really valuable to figure out what changes you need to make. Example, I had a possession based 4-4-2, short passing, work ball into box etc. It was kind of working, but I wasn't making a lot of chances and my goals were coming from all over the place when I really wanted to make use my strikers who were ending up stranded with no support. In my tactic the key was to have the strikers drop deeper for a slower build-up that allowed the midfield to move with them, in your case it looks like you need your wingers to look to get forward more.

I also found removing work ball into box helped a lot - retain possession and shorter passing shouts were already restraining my team enough, and work ball was just stopping them from attempting direct passes or long crosses when they had the chance. Plus if you can set things up so the players on the edge of the box are the ones who are good at long shots it can become an asset rather than a wasted chance.

Others can and have pointed out specific changes you can make better than me, but I found everything got a lot simpler once I started comparing what I wanted with what my team were actually doing on the pitch, rather than what I saw in the tactic creator.

[martplfc1]

Good advice and totally agree you need to actually watch what is happening on the pitch. I changed my DLF to attack duty and immediately it was clear the gap between midfield and attack was far too large. Even my AM told me (first useful piece of advice ever ).

Just a case of tinkering a little bit until it works.