Greyloe Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Hello Everyone, I've not checked in the editor yet, but I've noticed in game that the Canadian MLS clubs don't seem to contribute to Canadian national reputation as they're not listed on the nation's page. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkim Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Something I'm curious about as well. I'm still on FM 12 and would have figured this would have been looked at for the later versions (if indeed it needs fixing). Would be nice to have some confirmation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavenagh Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I don't believe it a flaw as the Canadian MLS clubs are playing in the USA system, not the Canadian one. Does Swansea contribute to the Welsh national reputation or the English, FC Vaduz Lichtenstein or Switzerland? San Marino? FC Andorra? As these expatriate clubs play in systems outside of their home countries, they're not really doing anything for their home countries football reputation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linie Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I don't believe it a flaw as the Canadian MLS clubs are playing in the USA system, not the Canadian one. Does Swansea contribute to the Welsh national reputation or the English, FC Vaduz Lichtenstein or Switzerland? San Marino? FC Andorra? As these expatriate clubs play in systems outside of their home countries, they're not really doing anything for their home countries football reputation. I agree. Except clubs from Liechtenstein as they qualify for their Europe League Spot via their own competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerud Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I don't believe it a flaw as the Canadian MLS clubs are playing in the USA system, not the Canadian one. Does Swansea contribute to the Welsh national reputation or the English, FC Vaduz Lichtenstein or Switzerland? San Marino? FC Andorra? As these expatriate clubs play in systems outside of their home countries, they're not really doing anything for their home countries football reputation. It's not a USA system or Canadian system. it's a North American system. It's just how sports work over here (see NHL, MLB, MLS, NBA, there are even Canadian universities that have played in a joint Canadian-American collegiate system). Canadian MLS clubs have Canadian-specific roster rules that require a certain number of Canadian players. Other MLS clubs have no such rule. One would think that this should contribute in part to the increase of a national reputation. However, as there are only 3 Canadian MLS clubs, I'm guessing this is not a priority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dllu Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Plus like Vaduz they qualify for continental competition through the nation they're based in, not the nation whose league they play in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linie Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 It's not a USA system or Canadian system. it's a North American system. It's just how sports work over here (see NHL, MLB, MLS, NBA, there are even Canadian universities that have played in a joint Canadian-American collegiate system).Canadian MLS clubs have Canadian-specific roster rules that require a certain number of Canadian players. Other MLS clubs have no such rule. One would think that this should contribute in part to the increase of a national reputation. However, as there are only 3 Canadian MLS clubs, I'm guessing this is not a priority. How do Canadian teams get into CONCACAF Champions League? Is it via the Amway Canadian Championship? If so that would make it the same as with Liechtenstein a National Tournament that decides who represents international and therefore the teams should contribute to Canadian rep. The Canadian National Football (Soccer) League doesn't have a Champions League seed or does it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerud Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 They do (except for this past year when it was decided by the highest ranked Canadian MLS team in the MLS standings, but this was an isolated case). The five teams from the MLS and the NASL compete for the one Canadian CONCACAF Champions League spot. There has been limited talk on opening up to lower Canadian-specific leagues, but it hasn't happened yet. I agree that Canadian clubs should contribute to Canadian rep. I wish this would happen, but I don't see it as a priority for SI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerud Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 They do (except for this past year when it was decided by the highest ranked Canadian MLS team in the MLS standings, but this was an isolated case). The five teams from the MLS and the NASL compete for the one Canadian CONCACAF Champions League spot. There has been limited talk on opening up to lower Canadian-specific leagues, but it hasn't happened yet. I agree that Canadian clubs should contribute to Canadian rep. I wish this would happen, but I don't see it as a priority for SI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkim Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Indeed, the Canadian Championship winners qualify for the NACL. When playing in the MLS, the Canadian clubs are represented with an American flag, while in the NACL, they are represented with the Canadian flag. Not sure if this is a sign that reputation is handled accordingly under the hood or what, but thought I'd point it out. Once again, confirmation of some sort would be great. As mentioned however, it doesn't seem to be a priority on SI's to-do list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPompey Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 It's not a USA system or Canadian system. it's a North American system. It's just how sports work over here (see NHL, MLB, MLS, NBA, there are even Canadian universities that have played in a joint Canadian-American collegiate system).Canadian MLS clubs have Canadian-specific roster rules that require a certain number of Canadian players. Other MLS clubs have no such rule. One would think that this should contribute in part to the increase of a national reputation. However, as there are only 3 Canadian MLS clubs, I'm guessing this is not a priority. Do they call those tournaments world series also when perhaps they are really North American Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dllu Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Do they call those tournaments world series also when perhaps they are really North American No, because at least in football (the real kind, not the no-feet-only-hands kind) they know they're not the best in the world... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerud Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Do they call those tournaments world series also when perhaps they are really North American Only baseball (MLB) has a "World Series." However, it's debatable whether baseball can be called a sport. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Only baseball (MLB) has a "World Series." However, it's debatable whether baseball can be called a sport. Yes, but NFL and NBA champions tend to refer to themselves as "world champions" Also, the reason it's called the "World Series" is the originators thought for sure baseball would become what soccer eventually did. There was a world tour organized in 1888-89 to spread the game: http://research.sabr.org/journals/business-missionary-motives-behind-1888-89-world-tour It's also partly because in the 1880s you had two leagues (National League and American Association) that were in competition with each other (sort of like the Football League and the Football Alliance). Both leagues claimed their winner was "the base ball champion of the United States", so when they decided to start organizing a post-season competition to determine who truly was the better league they had to go a level higher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerud Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Yes, but NFL and NBA champions tend to refer to themselves as "world champions"Also, the reason it's called the "World Series" is the originators thought for sure baseball would become what soccer eventually did. There was a world tour organized in 1888-89 to spread the game: http://research.sabr.org/journals/business-missionary-motives-behind-1888-89-world-tour It's also partly because in the 1880s you had two leagues (National League and American Association) that were in competition with each other (sort of like the Football League and the Football Alliance). Both leagues claimed their winner was "the base ball champion of the United States", so when they decided to start organizing a post-season competition to determine who truly was the better league they had to go a level higher. I can't answer for the NFL, but basketball has its own world cup already through FIBA. Hockey is also in the process of reviving the World Cup of Hockey, I think done through IIHF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Nobody cares about the FIBA World Cup though. Same for the IIHF World Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerud Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Nobody cares about the FIBA World Cup though. Same for the IIHF World Championship. I'd say that's highly subjective. FIBA's rep has grown significantly since TV deals for their World Cup have grown in stature. It was highly publicized here and carried by the major sports networks on their main channels. As for the IIHF World Championship, for hockey, it's very significant. Not like the Olympics, which I will admit is more prestigious in terms of international hockey, but there. The last one in the Czech Republic was the largest yet. The main reason why it doesn't grow larger is because the tournament begins while the NHL playoffs are still going. However, players leave for the World Championship when their team drops off. It's also contributed to by all other major hockey leagues in terms of players. But for hockey, I was actually referring to the World Cup of Hockey that is about to be resurrected for 2016. While it's not big yet, it has the potential to be. The Canada Cup (as it was referred to previously in the 1980s) was huge here. The World Cup only ever had two tournaments and was more of a sideshow, but the plan is for a set tournament every four years. Have to start somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Keep on-topic guys. This doesn't have anything to do with FM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerud Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Keep on-topic guys. This doesn't have anything to do with FM. Off on a tangent, our bad. Perhaps you have something to contribute? A little insider knowledge? Or will Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal continue to be listed in-game as "American"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Off on a tangent, our bad. Perhaps you have something to contribute? A little insider knowledge? Or will Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal continue to be listed in-game as "American"? Unfortunately not. That's beyond my level of knowledge or interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Keep on-topic guys. This doesn't have anything to do with FM. There will be no "Off Topic Discussion" when every forum is "off topic." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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