Marko1989 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Hi, i need advices for my tactic. Finaly I am enjoying FM after couple years - FM2013, FM2014 and unitl now FM2015 were impossible to play for me, I could not win no matter what i do. After so many hours trying to find tactics which work, reading here so many threads i am finaly playing good but i need to tweak something to be even better, and to prepare for FM 2016. I am at my favourite club in FM 2015, Atalanta (because they have good youngsters), and we are playing very good, but i think it could be even better. My main problem is - i can't make strikers to score more and i think that is what i need to win Champions League which is my main goal. After more then 15 years of playing i have never seen my defence to play this good, almost perfect, i have never seen them to make mistake ( except when opposition uses long throws then they act realy weird ) So defence is not problem. My DM is also great, CM support also, but then we came to CM - A and Striker - i must use them better so i can win more games in CL. Last year i got knocked out CL just because of that - i could not score and main problem is that CM - A is shoting too much and mine F9 is too defensive. (ofc Chelsea scored from long throw) Away game Almost every player have Shot less often instruction but it does not work CM - A is still shoting too much. ( with individual training i have removed Shot from distance from my players) And when he is shooting my F9 just move so he can shot but better option would be that F9 go in to space and then CM-A to try through ball for him. But i can't make that work. This is just too bad, 7 goals in two seasons I understand that F9 is more like Playmaker but he could be just a little bit more attacking so CM-A and other players can try through balls for him. Biggest problem is - whatever i change my team don't play so good anymore. I have tried DLF, Advanced, Tranquetista and Complete forward and then my team just lose that balance and they not play so good. So i need advice from you guys how to make strikers to score more and not to hurt that perfect balance which my team have now? I just want to make more assists to mine F9 and make him a little bit more attacking. ( Work ball around box instruction also make them play worse) My main player is ( somehow) Tulissi, he became beast in just 3 seasons It would be great that we can move players in tactic like here http://this11.com/boards/editor#!/editor/ i think that would solve my problem to make F9 a liitle bit more attacking I hope you understand me, what i want to do. I was so close to give up from FM so i realy need this advices to enjoy FM like earlier, even more, and to prepare for FM 2016. Cheers from Serbia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herne79 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Perhaps a good place to start is analyse why you miss chances, which we can't see from what you have presented. Where are your shots and assists coming from? You could also look at the quality of your players, and assess if they are really suitable for what you are trying to achieve - especially your attacking players, do they have good enough attributes? Again, we can't see that. Do they have suitable PPMs? The only player you have linked - Tulissi - you call beast. Why? All we can see about him is that you play him as a winger, but he only has 10 for crossing. How good are his crosses? If poor, that may contribute to a lack of goals as your box players won't get quality ball. You are happy with the balance of your tactic, so I won't comment on that, look at your players and how they play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko1989 Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 That is interesting thing, Tulissi is winger just because he plays as real Inside Forward when he is Winger Attack. There is no crosses from him. Almost every my goal is like this, through ball from F9 to him and goal. Beast because of this, last season he was 19 years old. Estigabirria is my second right winger and you can see almost all my goals come from right wingers and they are playing more like stikers/inside forwards than as wingers, they are moving in to free space beautifily. That is maybe not logical because of their role but that is way how they move and play, i realy don't know why. Here are attributes from some of my players I think their attributes are good enough to play a little bit more better because i have no problem to beat favourites This is only game where my stiker was playing good (But if i remember last two goals from Zivkovic were when i have moved him on right winger ) So mine problem is when right winger is not in form, or can't score i don't win. I need stikers to score more, but every change of their roles just make my team play worse. When i put my left Inside Forward on attack role, F9 is just moving in to channels so Inside forward can shoot. TEST FRIENDLIES FOR NEW SEASON - one goal from strikers (penalty) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko1989 Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 I know F9 can score, but i can't make it work. I can't understand why F9 won't look for free space in opposition area when CM-A is running with ball forward, it would be perfect, then he can try through ball for striker. First game in season, but now 4-2-3-1 just for test, with reserve/second squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasilli07 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Have you try switching your CM(S) to a DLP(S) instead? This way, your F9 doesn't need to be the sole playmaker of the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko1989 Posted October 10, 2015 Author Share Posted October 10, 2015 Yes, here is the result with deep lying, again F9 is primary creator and right winger scorer 39. minute Tulissi 3 Assists from F9 to him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebva Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 I would say in your first formation your F9 is THE guy. He forms a great tandem with your CM(A) and your W(A), but I think (and there could lay your problem) he is always on the playmaking end of this. A change with the receiving and playmaking part would be to make your midfielder Advanced Playmaker (A) and your Striker a Complete Forward (S). This is just a suggestion but I think this will take the pressure of the shoulders from the striker to create everything. Cheers! Seb Oh and if you then feel that there isn't a runner from deep you can try to switch your other midfielder to B2B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko1989 Posted October 10, 2015 Author Share Posted October 10, 2015 I have tried, not working, but thanks anyways I don't know what to do anymore, i can't make them score with this roles but ok, i will try to find striker with good passing for F9 then i will put Zivkovic on right winger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaşar Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Marko1989 how about your team shape and mentality ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko1989 Posted October 10, 2015 Author Share Posted October 10, 2015 Only fluid is suitable for them, even changing that cause my team to play worse. Very fluid not working also. When it is about mentalities, just control maybe is good, other mentalities not. I must change something, it looks like pc starting to read my game i am not playing so good anymore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko1989 Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 A little update I had trouble to tweak formation and then changed only one thing: I have added to Inside Forward ( support ) just - Get further forward and then team started playing much better. In four seasons i have won 2 serie a titles, and won CL. ( i have put league title on risk by playing it with reserve squad so they can be fit for CL and lost league by one point in last match of season ) Some realy memorable games from fourth season ( CL Knockout against much stronger teams ) And finals ( it was 3:0 easily until red card ) Just a little part of Tulissi show this season And my brave team I was planning to write here my Atalanta story but I don't know English good enough. Now my goal is to became first team who won CL two times in a row Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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