Uri Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 So I have to choose between two players fighting for the same position... Comparing them I notice the young one is clearly has better attributes for the same role and also much cheaper...But then he is given only two stars for it while the worse senior player given 4 stars for no apparent reason and much more expensive to hire... Clearly I want to choose the young one but wandering how come the senior player deserves his 4 stars while his attributes doesn't suggest that he is such a good player... How is it possible for a player to get four stars which means he is superb for that position and role while his attributes don't indicate any of that superb suitability? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneronaldo Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Two-footed players will generally have lower attributes because being two-footed eats into the CA abit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdiatmh Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 for a sole position, pick the player best suited for the role the 4* player might be better as a B2B midfielder, when you're looking for a BWM (helps with team versatility) also, he might have had a trophy win (a domestic cup? continental win? international regular) which the younger player might not have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uri Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 for a sole position, pick the player best suited for the rolethe 4* player might be better as a B2B midfielder, when you're looking for a BWM (helps with team versatility) also, he might have had a trophy win (a domestic cup? continental win? international regular) which the younger player might not have What about his experience ? Does his experience over the years with a position makes him better one even if a younger player has better attributes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbokav1971 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Uri. 1. When you mean cheaper, do you mean value or wages? 2. The staff member that is telling you about the ability of these 2 players is giving you his opinion. It is not fact, just an opinion. What is his JPA attribute? 3. When you say "has better attributes for the same role" how are you determining what the required attributes are for the role? Are you doing it yourself based on what you think or are you using the game to select a role and then highlighting the attributes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uri Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Uri.1. When you mean cheaper, do you mean value or wages? 2. The staff member that is telling you about the ability of these 2 players is giving you his opinion. It is not fact, just an opinion. What is his JPA attribute? 3. When you say "has better attributes for the same role" how are you determining what the required attributes are for the role? Are you doing it yourself based on what you think or are you using the game to select a role and then highlighting the attributes? Hi so here it goes 1) Cheaper by wage...The younger is "Hot Prospect contract" the Senior is "First team contract " both Non contracts 2)Well actually I'm glad you asked that...Since you can choose between opinions I always count on one of them JPA -15 JPP -14 with Continental pro license which is the highest if I'm not mistaken...So he is a reliable source.... 3)No of course not...I'm using the system comparison tool for each role ...For our example we have two defensive forwards...the younger I signed for free wheras the senior one I loaned from a higher division...I signed him for loan since I couldn't trial him...He refused to come to trial...So based on his 4 stars suitability I gave it a shot and loaned him... Once he came to the club I was able to compare between them With the tool of comparison the system offers for each position and then for finer tunning the duty within that role...So comparing both Defensive Forwards on defensive/support duties(which in this case are the same attributes) I found out that my hot-prospect has much better attributes...9.45 in average of 11 attributes wheras the senior player with 4 stars has only an average of 8.10 for the same attribtues the sytem suggets for the role of defensive forward... So I didn't understand why it offered him 4 stars...I thought maybe there are other considirations ...maybe hidden ones...may be personlties...May be using both legs...Maybe experience...may be the fact he came from a higher division and so on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbokav1971 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Hi so here it goes1) Cheaper by wage...The younger is "Hot Prospect contract" the Senior is "First team contract " both Non contracts 2)Well actually I'm glad you asked that...Since you can choose between opinions I always count on one of them JPA -15 JPP -14 with Continental pro license which is the highest if I'm not mistaken...So he is a reliable source.... 3)No of course not...I'm using the system comparison tool for each role ...For our example we have two defensive forwards...the younger I signed for free wheras the senior one I loaned from a higher division...I signed him for loan since I couldn't trial him...He refused to come to trial...So based on his 4 stars suitability I gave it a shot and loaned him... Once he came to the club I was able to compare between them With the tool of comparison the system offers for each position and then for finer tunning the duty within that role...So comparing both Defensive Forwards on defensive/support duties(which in this case are the same attributes) I found out that my hot-prospect has much better attributes...9.45 in average of 11 attributes wheras the senior player with 4 stars has only an average of 8.10 for the same attribtues the sytem suggets for the role of defensive forward... So I didn't understand why it offered him 4 stars...I thought maybe there are other considirations ...maybe hidden ones...may be personlties...May be using both legs...Maybe experience...may be the fact he came from a higher division and so on... Would you be able to post me 2 pictures to show a comparison please like I am about to do? The 1st pick directly compares the players with eachother in the roe that you select like this. The 2nd shows a comparison in the coaches view of both CA and PA like this. It could be that the older GK has attributes that are weighted more heavily than the younger GK, (not all attributes are weighted the same). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbokav1971 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Oh hang on a minute. I bet you mean this..... Tandy. Gerard. Is that what you mean? [Edit] Apologies. I completely forgot about that simply because I never use it. I initially use the CA/PA stars as a rough guide. This gives me an indication of who is better now and whoo is likely to be better in the future. Then I look at individual player attributes. If it still isn't obvious who is better than I use the comparison as shown above to compare the individual attributes of the 2 players. [Edit2] If you look at the 2 players above, Tandy is significantly better right now. He has 2.5 CA compared to 1.5 for Gerard. His wages are almost 10x the value of Gerard though, (£150-£1400), so if money is tight then many you might choose Gerard over Tandy. The next comparison however is that although Tandy is better than Gerard right now, Gerard actually has much better PA, (3.5 compared to 2.5 for Tandy). Lastly, Tandy is coming to the end of his career. He has 95 Caps and is 32 years old. Gerard however is only 16 years old and only ever played 1 game. You could say that either of these players is "better" and depending on which criteria you used you would be right. Your comparison is exactly the same. You need to choose what you want in a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdiatmh Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 as manager of that club, you'll probably have a better idea (match scenario and all that) but I'd pick Tandy over Gerard personally reason being: key stats (shown highlighted) show no difference, probably favouring Tandy marginally - 'reflexes' is a key attribute for me I'd probably favour Gerard more so in the cups, with Tandy [possibly captain given his leadership] being the main player for the league (purely because of the determination, Gerard would probably concede 2-3 if he lets one in, Tandy seems less prone to that happening) although I don't think there's a lot between them, so (from a rival manager) I'd lean more toward signing Gerard due to the negligible difference in attributes, plus the younger age (and development options) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uri Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Thanks guys for the useful info... Since I had at the start of the season two consecutive matches (Saturday and Monday) I could place those two defensive forwards seperately and watch closely how they are playing with their role using a defensive duty where they help fighting against opponent defensive midfielders... The younger player: on his first game played superbly scoring 1 goal and assisting another one and after his outstanding performane he now has 3 stars...geting rating of 8.10 at that match... The older player with 4 stars was nervous and then very nervous during the match...when he was booked after 60 minutes that was my cue to sit him on the bench to reflect on his 4 stars... The only attributes he has above 9 for defensive forward role are only two...Strength-10 and work rate 14... Beyond that as a player the only other attributes above 9 are pace 12 and corners 10... I had another player who played as DL with low attributes but with high pace and acceleration who got stars as good as better DL's I had... It's seems to me that players with high pace and acceleration are overweighted offering a player a value of stars which is not reflected in actual play... I can also see the Stars rate change in time for any player so the concluson I have is not to count on stars as much as to count on their attributes... Those stars are just an opening suggestion before they played for the club...Those Staff are not Gods after all....They are just prone to mistakes like any other one...<!-- google_ad_section_end --> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnaTeresa Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I can also see the Stars rate change in time for any player so the concluson I have is not to count on stars as much as to count on their attributes... Those stars are just an opening suggestion<!-- google_ad_section_end --> Yes, this. Stars are just a second opinion, the attributes are more important Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
netking Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Tandy is rated higher due to his vastly superior positioning (which is key even though descriptions might not say so), reflexes (huge difference between 6 and 11), command of the area and communication, and much greater concentration (vital in the late game). I would choose Tandy tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbokav1971 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Thanks samdiatmh and netking. I appreciate the advice, but I was actually just showing Uri the info that I wanted him to post so you could give him just the advice that you gave me. Thanks though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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