LCFCEaves31 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Hi Have you ever been in a position where you feel you got promoted but didn't actually turn out to be a good thing? I have been promoted twice on my last save, starting off in the conference with Grimsby. In our 2nd season we won the league. I really struggled to bring a lot of higher quality players and as a consequence, really struggled. Got sacked after 20 games (even though we were not in the relegation zone), I was struggling and getting fed up. Tried to set a more defensive tactic of my successful one, but that didn't help. Players just weren't good enough. I since got a job at Walsall and steered them away from relegation in league 1 with 12 games to go. Next year, we finished 2nd and went up, couldn't believe it, as I really didn't have a great squad to pick from... Anyway, now playing in the championship and after two games, we are bottom, without scoring, or even looking like scoring. The opposition have far superior players again, as I didn't manage to get many better players again. The club stature didn't seem to really change, and it seems there are a lot more attractive teams than us. Even players from the league below said they were not interested in joining. So my question is, how many of you out there have achieved what I cannot and is there any obvious advice? I cannot accept it, and do not want to get the sack from the exact same situation every time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Oh yes, I took on a rebuilding job at Villa on FM08, they had slipped to a middle of the road Championship side yet somehow I managed to get promoted in my first season at the club when I was just trying to get to the end before the old rubbish left & number of young prospects were due to arrive or be promoted. End result was a hammering in the Premier League each & every week, relegation & eventually my P45. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCFCEaves31 Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 Oh yes, I took on a rebuilding job at Villa on FM08, they had slipped to a middle of the road Championship side yet somehow I managed to get promoted in my first season at the club when I was just trying to get to the end before the old rubbish left & number of young prospects were due to arrive or be promoted. End result was a hammering in the Premier League each & every week, relegation & eventually my P45. I am glad I am not the only one. Learnt any lessons from that? I keep thinking the odd promotion here and there, even if I end up getting sacked will eventually lead to a decent top flight side!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Olive Branch Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I've been there before too. In FM15 you could sign unlimited loan players while you were in Serie C and Serie B - I sold all my players and at any given time had about 40-50 players on loan from Inter, Juve etc for 0% wage contributions. Of course they were always asking for terminations but could then just loan them back the next day (haven't checked this in FM16 yet). I took Prato (estimaed last in Serie C) to 2 straight promotions into Serie A - and then floundered just outside the relegation playoffs all season getting absolutely destroyed by the big boys but occasionally sneaking points off rivals. All my loan players were gone and although I'd picked up a squad of journeymen free agents they just couldn't cut it. I jumped ship to mid-table Palermo before I was sacked but then got bored of the save near instantly. Yes I know it isn't called Serie C anymore and yes I know this situation arose from my exploiting lackings in the game (which I didn't need to do) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhughthom Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 It's always been the sort of situation I thrive under in FM, give me a group of players much better than everyone else and I'll generally mess it up and lose or draw too many games, just missing out on the title. Give a group supposedly much worse than the rest and I can generally grind out results, to finish comfortably clear of relegation. A few 6-0 tankings from the big teams usually happen, but I can keep morale under control. I guess I'm more of a Big Sam than a Pep. Never been relegated in twenty years of FMing, but I could probably count my Champion's League wins on one hand (and most of those from Barca "cheat code Messi" saves). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overmars Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 The loan system generally means that you are never promoted too soon. There are always a few improving young players out there who can come in on loan and push you above the relegation zone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby_McDonald Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 You can never be promoted too soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBKalle Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 You can never be promoted too soon. Agreed. Unless you rely heavily on loans, if the squad is good enough to achieve promotion, even as a dark horse, the jump in reputation and the extra cash (TV money, prizes, sponsors) will usually be enough to attract players who can be good enough to keep you afloat in the first season, and from there on it's almost too easy. In smaller leagues, the gap between divisions is less noticeable, so there isn't much to be worried about when getting an unexpected promotion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulletsponge01 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 ive actually intentinally lost games at the end of a season because i didnt want to get promoted because i knew we would be out of our depth in the league above. ive done that several times over the years. usually when im in the championship and my team is a young one thats a little to raw for the EPL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCFCEaves31 Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 The loan system generally means that you are never promoted too soon. There are always a few improving young players out there who can come in on loan and push you above the relegation zone. I think there lies my biggest issue... because my squad was so poor and we had no money, I relied on the loan market. Since promotion, I have tried to limit loan signings and get in permanent members instead. The problem at the moment is obviously the team cohesion needs work again with so many changes. Patience is the key I think... I've also just gone back to basics and made a more defensive tactic to try and frustrate teams and since then it has been 2 wins and a draw. The fight against relegation is on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I've just been promoted in my first season as Rotherham managed on the beta due to a very good end of the season and amazing 5 - 4 win over Hull in the Playoff Final. I'm attempting to strengthen the squad and with the money I have seems quite impossible. Time will tell if I need to reload and lose and rebuild that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCFCEaves31 Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 I've just been promoted in my first season as Rotherham managed on the beta due to a very good end of the season and amazing 5 - 4 win over Hull in the Playoff Final. I'm attempting to strengthen the squad and with the money I have seems quite impossible. Time will tell if I need to reload and lose and rebuild that way. Be interested to know how you get on bearing in mind Rotherham are not the strongest of championship teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby_McDonald Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 ive actually intentinally lost games at the end of a season because i didnt want to get promoted because i knew we would be out of our depth in the league above. ive done that several times over the years. usually when im in the championship and my team is a young one thats a little to raw for the EPL I really don't see the point in playing if you don't want to do the best you can. I'll always happily take 20th in the Premier League than mid table in the Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Olive Branch Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I really don't see the point in playing if you don't want to do the best you can. I'll always happily take 20th in the Premier League than mid table in the Championship. Especially as playing in the prem makes you rich beyond your wildest dreams, especially if you come up with a championship wage bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Perfect Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I usually do one save where I take a club as far as I can. For example, I won the Champions League with Barrow in FM08 and with Luton in FM09. In the last few years though, I've got to the Premier League with Chester and Stockport and not been able to attract even players with reasonable potential to play in the Premier League. I started higher with MK Dons but after getting to the Premier League, I was missing out on players to the likes of Ipswich who were offering lower wages and predicted to finish 20th in the Championship. However, getting promoted too soon isn't a thing. Even with MK Dons, having won 4 points after 8 games, I took the Spurs job. Dons went down under Sean O'Driscoll who then spent £15m (outside of the £6m I spent on Lewis Cook, my biggest buy had been £350k) to win the Championship. They may end up going down again but with two seasons in the Premier League, one in the Championship with parachute payments and, if they do go down, up to four more seasons with parachute payments they easily have the money to upgrade their facilities to get the best out of young players and players that they can attract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Be interested to know how you get on bearing in mind Rotherham are not the strongest of championship teams. Will get posted on my Rotherham thread in Good Player & Team Guide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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