(FM16) Regensburg, (literally).

[Jimbokav1971]

So I did the dafuge challenge thing, (never completed it), and then the Gundo challenge thing, (never completed that either), and then I did the San Marino challenge, (not sure if I "completed" it, but I won the World Cup and the U21 EURO's with San Marino so that was decent at least, and then I stumbled upon Gibraltar and I did a little save with that too, got to the Champions League Group stage). Now though I was looking for something different.

I wanted to play somewhere new, but I was adamant that I also wanted to again play a Youth only save. Although I enjoyed by time in Gibraltar, the fact is that I'm not sure that I'm a good enough manager to persist with the Youth only aspect of the save and expect anything other than domestic success. There has to be a Continental aspect of the save that is a challenge, even if it is ultimately not possible to succeed. I don't really care if I never win anything, (that's unlikely because I am bound to win something eventually), but what I mean is that I don't really care if whoever I manage never becomes a power-house of whatever continent they reside in.

I gave quite a lot of thought to where I would play and why, and at the time of writing this and researching the team, (it's August so FM16 is not even close to out yet), I haven't actually decided 100% who I will play as.

I was tempted to continue with Gibraltar, but as I mentioned previously, I'm not sure I'm good enough to do the save justice there. I needed something easier. Let's be honest, lot's of people do "Youth saves", but few of them actually stick to the Youth only aspect of the save and sooner or later most of them either get loanees in or just start splashing the cash, (or simply give up). Well I'm not like that. If I say "Youth Only", then that's what it will be. There wil be no loans, no grey players and no signing any players of any type EVER! (Not even cheeky little player-coaches or "tutors" who never actually play!)

So I was really waiting for a Nation/Club to jump out at me and for them to pick me. I wanted there to be absolutely no question that they are who I should be managing.

I'm not sure how exactly FC.Magdeburg of Germany came to my attention, but I think it was a claim that they were the only previous winners of the Champions League now playing below the 3rd level in their National structure. I had never heard of them so I started to delve a little deeper and it soon became clear that the reason that I had never heard of them was that they were a former East German team and that their glory-days were well before my time. Of course they were not previous winners of the Champions League, (or European Cup as it was then), but there is some truth to the story as they did indeed win the Cup Winners Cup back in 1973/74, (when I was till a toddler), beating AC Milan 2-0 in Rotterdam, and they were indeed playing in the 4th tier of German football. A little bit of research however, informed me that while FC.Magdeberg had indeed been playing in the 4th tier of German football, they had actually been promoted this season, (I think via Playoffs but that's not completely clear), and as such would be available to all and sundry at the start of the FM16 game.

I had recently purchased FM15, (it was on sale and I just wanted to have a little look), so I cranked it up to see what German Leagues were playable and who would be playing in whatever the 3rd tier of German football was called. I have never managed there in CM/FM and I have never followed German football at all so I haven't a scooby!

I don't even know what the league is called. FM15 calls the 3rd tier of German football the "Third Division" originally. I have a feeling that that's not correct and there is obviously the issue with German players names that we are not allowed to discuss of course. There may or may not be workarounds to those issues that we are not allowed to discuss, (and we are not allowed to discuss those workarounds either), but just the fact that I would have to wait for someone to create these things, and then for me to find these things, (that we can't discuss remember so please don't), is pretty off-putting for someone who is planning on throwing himself into the save right from the off on Day 1.

I suppose I could just tick "fake players" or whatever it's called. The only issue that I had with that in old issues is that fake players were created completely unbalanaced and it wasn't uncommon to see a centre-back with great jumping but atrocious heading, or a winger with amazing pace but little or no dribbling ability. That was a while ago though and it would be the same for everyone. All the teams would have the "unbalanced" players if it was still an issue, but have a little faith Jimbo, surely SI would have well and truly fixed that by now so stop worrying over nothing!

The worry that I couldn't escape however was that FC.Magdeberg were actually a big deal and that they had been promoted and were now playing in a fully professional league for the first time since German Unification was going to have all the FM hipster mugs, jumping on the band-waggon and gushing about the likes of Joachim Streich, (who I had actually heard of). Everyone and their brother was going to be Managing FC.Magdeberg and that just wasn't for me. I wanted to be managing someone that not many other people were managing. I wanted somoeone different. I had another look at the 3rd tier of German football, (Third Division in FM15 remember), and there were 3 Reserve teams and then..... there they were. Surely it was a sign sent from Pele himself!

Regensburg.

Or rather SSV Jan Regensburg as they are more accurately known.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSV_Jahn_Regensburg

http://www.ssv-jahn.de/home

@SSVJAHN

[Jimbokav1971]

Really? That couldn't be their name could it? It had to be fake. Didn't it? I mean a newly created player within the game was called a Regen, (or Newgen if you are being pedantic), but I'm doing a Youth only save, in Germany and they have a bloomin team called Regensburg! You couldn't make it up! Could you?

Cue research.

Now the bad news. I can see that someone came up with a very short-lived idea of this very challenge as far back as 2008, (hat-tip to matty_8), but the more I look, the more FC.Magdeberg saves I see and the fewer Regensburg saves I see. (All the FM hipsters will be fawning all over FC.Magdeberg and if I'm lucky nobody will bother with little old Regensburg).

Ooh ooh ooh! Guess what???

Little old Regensburg actually got relegated last season in real life, so..... they won't be playable from the start of the game in FM16. That should put most people off. At this rate I might be one of VERY few people actually managing them. It will take some holidaying, but this is looking good.

Germany and Regensburg here I come.

So lets do a little bit more research.

Regensburg is in Bavaria which is the largest state in Germany, located in the South-East of the Country, (squashed between Czech Republic and Austria).

There is a distinct East German feel to some of these pictures, but is that a brewery in the background in that last one?

Yes. It is indeed a brewery!

It's the Boschofshof Brewey and wouldn't it be really cool if I could get some beer delivered from there in advance of me taking over as Manager. (I have been known to love a little bit of drunk management from time to time).

If anyone wants to know what a cheeky little visit to Regensburg is like, (to watch the football rather than visit the brewery of course), then while this link might be a little old, (it's from back in 2011), it's actually really well worth a read if you have managed to stick with my dribble for this long. Call it light entertainment!

https://talesfromthepigeonstands.wordpress.com/2011/12/18/ssv-jahn-regensburg/

[nie jem frytek]

Bavaria wasn't East Germany, Jimbo.

And it's Regensburg, not Regensberg.

[Jimbokav1971]

Bavaria wasn't East Germany, Jimbo.

And it's Regensburg, not Regensberg.

Apologies.

I think it's Magdeberg that has got my bergs and burgs confuddled.

It may not have been in E.Germany, but the pictures of the old ground and the high rise block gives off that vibe, (that I am an absolute expert on having only fleetingly passed through Germany on one single occasion).

[deltablue]

Someone needs to brush up on their German geography (Fixed the name btw).

[Jimbokav1971]

Someone needs to brush up on their German geography (Fixed the name btw).

You don't know the half of it.

Until I started looking at this save, I thought that Berlin was where Munich is and Munich was where Berlin is.

Who moved them!

[Edit]

Thanks by the way.

[noikeee]

You're gonna make a whole career based on a pun?

Good luck, may the gods of FM be with you.

[Jimbokav1971]

You're gonna make a whole career based on a pun?

Good luck, may the gods of FM be with you.

Not really, no.

I was always going to play a Youth Only career and I was leaning towards Germany. I just wasn't sure which team I would be managing. The fact that Regensberg got relegated last season, (so were no longer playable), was exactly what I was looking for and just to top it off, the name s the icing on the cake.

I'm as happy as a pig in poo.

[Adelaidean]

Excellent title and I love your reasoning behind choosing a club! So you'll be holidaying until the second season and reloading until they get promoted? Given they've just been relegated they should have a good enough reputation to come straight back up.

Looking forward to it, hopefully you have success in Germany! Your youth quality at least should be somewhat better than in Gibraltar, particularly when you get a few promotions and upgrades under your belt.

[Jimbokav1971]

Excellent title and I love your reasoning behind choosing a club! So you'll be holidaying until the second season and reloading until they get promoted? Given they've just been relegated they should have a good enough reputation to come straight back up.

Looking forward to it, hopefully you have success in Germany! Your youth quality at least should be somewhat better than in Gibraltar, particularly when you get a few promotions and upgrades under your belt.

Yep.

Have already holidayed and already got them promoted and have already started playing.

Tomorrow I will get the thread up to date as of the start of the season and then I will just crack on.

I must admit, that the standard of layer in a club that played in the 4th tier last season is pretty impressive, If some of these played at Barnet, (my team), in the 4th tier of English football I would be a happy chappy.

[RTHerringbone]

I always enjoy taking a look at your career threads and this sounds like a good 'un. Good luck!

[Gramm0]

Really looking forward to watching this develop! Germany sounds like a very interesting place to play in today's football climate, with great club structures and lots of German talent. God speed and may you have lots of luck in your European games (not overly much of course )!

Edit: Make sure to buy one of those penthouse apartments overlooking the pitch... once you become a regular in Champions League and are facing the likes of Barcelona, they will become the most expensive property in town

[dllu]

I don't know if you became aware of Magdeburg from this quote in the Whitehawk Down thread:

Or take Magdeburg (also newly promoted) back to their 1970s GDR glory days.

If so, I am thrilled that you got this awesome idea out of it indirectly - although I didn't get the pun until you explained it in the second post, as Regensburg in Germany is pronounced nothing like "regen" in English.

P.S.: You need to get a pipeline installed directly from the brewery next door...

[deltablue]

It'll be tough doing youth-only in a big nation.

[MADA]

It'll be tough doing youth-only in a big nation.

if it's anything like last year's version, he'll be getting 5 star youth prospects v quickly, so not too difficult

[Jimbokav1971]

It'll be tough doing youth-only in a big nation.

I don't think I had realised quite how hard it would be.

It's not (GIB) or (SMR) at all.

[Nobby_McDonald]

I'll be watching your progress as usual Jimbo.

[Jimbokav1971]

if it's anything like last year's version, he'll be getting 5 star youth prospects v quickly, so not too difficult

I don't think there is a chance in hell of that happening.

[dan_lcfc]

I Will be watching this closely.

It will be interesting to see how you get on in the bundesliga with their rules on u18s which is something that's put me off managing in Germany in the past

Good luck!

[Jimbokav1971]

My photobucket account has reached it's bandwith limit for the month.

I made the schoolboy error of posting not 1 but 2 pictures in the Official Beta Feedback thread in GQ and 25,000 views in the opening 25 hours killed me.

It's only £2.99 for unlimited bandwith for the month so I am about to upgrade, (just for 1 month), because I won't usually get anyway near the 10.0 GB monthly usage.

[Jimbokav1971]

I don't know if you became aware of Magdeburg from this quote in the Whitehawk Down thread:

If so, I am thrilled that you got this awesome idea out of it indirectly - although I didn't get the pun until you explained it in the second post, as Regensburg in Germany is pronounced nothing like "regen" in English.

P.S.: You need to get a pipeline installed directly from the brewery next door...

I didn't get the idea from your post, but certainly something similar to it. Magdeberg are going to be a popular choice for many I think, (and that's a reason for me to give them a swerve I'm afraid).

[Jimbokav1971]

I'll be watching your progress as usual Jimbo.

Cheers Nobby.

Are you upgrading to FM16?

[Jimbokav1971]

I Will be watching this closely.

It will be interesting to see how you get on in the bundesliga with their rules on u18s which is something that's put me off managing in Germany in the past

Good luck!

I have absolutely no idea what rule you are talking about. [worried]. So I am off to have a look.

These are the current rules for the 3rd Div.

The match squad must have at least 4 German U23 players.

This was the first thing I noticed when selecting squads. It has already caused me a few problems in this save and I have had to change my squad selection because of it on a regular basis, but that being said, I absolutely love it in the game, and even more so I think that all English clubs at Conference level and above should have to adhere to it.

The squad must have no more than 3 over-23 players in the starting XI. (B Teams only).

We only had 1 player in our B team, (and I immediately moved him to the senior squad), and the B Team is in non-league obviously so I won't really get to experience this unless things change, but I like the thinking behind this.

Players signed on free transfers can be registered at any time.

I like this. It is obviously not something that I am going to be able to take advantage of in this save, but again, I like the thinking behind it in real life.

Players under 17 are not allowed to play.

Ok. If this is a rule all the way through the German structure then it will be a shame, but it is what it is. I suppose the thinking behind it is that is what B Teams are for. It does pose me a problem in this save though. I start with only 23 players, (well 24 players, but 1 left on a free before the season started. No matter what I tried, he just wouldn't sign a new contract). So that means that I will have to go through not just this season without any new recruits, but also probably the next 2 seasons as well. That is more than a little concerning and is obviously going to cause me problems.

While managing in (GIB), I refused to use grey players at the start of the save, but I'm not sure I am going to avoid that here. If I can get past seasons 2 and 3 then...... well I guess it depends on the quality I'm going to be producing. Mmmm. This is going to be properly tough.

Only players registered for this competition are allowed to play.

That's fine. I think we can register up to 99 players, so it's not an issue at all.

7 subs named, maximum 3 used.

I loved my (SMR) save where we had 12 subs available, (still never put a GK on the bench), but 7 is normal and is fine. (I don't like Nations/Leagues that just allow 5 subs).

[deltablue]

I think it is. I got a little caught out last time I was in Germany on FM13. Thankfully it wasn't in force on FM11 because once I was I was at Furth when they had no money and thankfully there were a lot of good youth players around I was able to use.

[Jimbokav1971]

Oh bloody hell!

I've just had another look at FM15, (FM16 isn't out yet remember), and much to my dismay, Regensburg no longer play at the lovely looking JahnStadion, and instead play in a brand spanking new stadium called the "Continental Arena". Oh go away corporate big-wigs and leave this piddly little club alone! The fact that they are the biggest club in the 4th largest City in Bavaria is completely irrelevant. Stop this forward-thinking and money-making right now!

The pitch looks to be a tad on the sandy side.

And that's a hell of a divot in the foreground.

The team bus seems to be a slightly unusual shape.

Looking a bit better here though.

It all looks a bit plastic to me.

In all seriousness though, it actually looks really impressive, (even if there isn't a brewery on show).

I just wonder who paid for it and how much debt I will start with?

[dan_lcfc]

Ok. If this is a rule all the way through the German structure then it will be a shame, but it is what it is. I suppose the thinking behind it is that is what B Teams are for. It does pose me a problem in this save though. I start with only 23 players, (well 24 players, but 1 left on a free before the season started. No matter what I tried, he just wouldn't sign a new contract). So that means that I will have to go through not just this season without any new recruits, but also probably the next 2 seasons as well. That is more than a little concerning and is obviously going to cause me problems.

Thats the one, Im also fairly sure that the players have to be 17 at the beginning of the season to be eligible (at least thats how it was in FM14, when I had my beta save with Dortmund)

[Jimbokav1971]

Managerial Style. (No coaching badges and Sunday League experience).

Personal Message from The Pres. (Note that there are no current club philosophies).

Starting Profile. (Actually, that looks remarkably like me). For the record I have given myself Sammarinese as primary Nationality and German as 2nd Nationality for the purposes of this save. I speak both languages, (although sadly not in real life).

Ass Man required. Obviously I want to look at the squad and see what's what, but without an Ass Man, well it's not easy.

Staff. The only problem is...... that the board actually don't want me to have an Ass Man. I can employ a coach by the looks of it, but not an Ass Man. I'm not sure I can remember how to play the game without an Ass Man. (Seriously).

Ideally what I will do is just put The Pres in charge of staff recruitment and see how he does and what he brings in and take it from there. The only problem is..... I can't work out how to do it because I never really played FM15.

Christian Brand. (My predecessor).

Club Details.

League History.

Kits. (It looks like they like red and white with a little red and white thrown in for good measure). I actually don't like red. Will hopefully grow on me.

Stadium.

Key Employees. (Who is that good looking chap at the top?)

Club Background. They have won the German Div. Bavaria (4th Tier) on 4 occasions, 1967, 1875, 2000 & 2007, which means that they did not get promoted last season as Champions. It also means that as good as they are at getting out of that league, they seem to struggle to stay out of it.

Background.

Board.

Budget.

Staff Shortages. This bit can be scrolled but there seems to be no way to take a pic of it. I have no staff at all at the club, but it tells me I can have the following.

1x Director of Football. (I don't think we will be needing him).

1x HoYD. (Oh yes we will be needing him).

1x U19's Manager. (Yes please).

1x Ass Man. (Absolutely).

1x U19's Ass Man. (Do I really need one of them?)

5x Regenberg coaching staff. (Bloomin hell! 5?)

1x Head Physio. (Yes ok)

1x Physio. (I think just his boss will do for starters).

3x U19's coaching staff. (I almost said no thanks, but in view of the type of save this is going to be then.......)

1x U19's Physio. (Why can't the Head Physio do it?)

1x Chief Scout. (Yes, even if only to report on our youngsters out on loan and opposition).

5x Scouts. (Maybe 1, but 5? I dont think so).

[Maw74]

Why are you confusing me with the Second Division table?

I have so many ideas for games now Múnchen Lions has given me another.

Nice stadium now, good luck with this.

[Jimbokav1971]

Ok. So I have found how to get The Pres on board with staff recruitment. (It is responsibilities of course rather than preferences).

Finances.

Wow! Despite having a brand-spanking new stadium, we actually don't have any loans outstanding.

Damn! I bet we don't own it then.

Finances 2.

Continental Arena. Damn. I knew it. :-(

Senior Squad. Is made up of 19 Germans, an Austrian, a Czech, A Turk, and the existing captain is Lithuanian, (so 23 players in total).

II Squad. There was 1 Bosnian in the II Squad so I have moved him to the Senior Squad until I can have a proper look at him. (Might as well keppm them all together for now).

U19's. We just have 1x 15 year old German in the squad.

Season Expectations. Well on the plus side, the finances must be ok because we are currently only spending £29k out of £45k per week. Avoiding relegation will do me fine for now thanks very much.

Ass Man. It might just be because I have been stuck in (GIB) for too long, but he looks absolutely fan-bloomin-tastic.

Squad Personality. (There is a God and thank you very much Sir).

Media Prediction. 17th is great as there are 20 teams in the league and 3 go down. 17th will do me nicely!

Favoured Personnel.

Markus. He's both an ex player and an ex Manager.

Markus. Entire career.

He now Manages Augsburg who finished mid-table in the Bundaliga last season.

[Jimbokav1971]

Why are you confusing me with the Second Division table?

I have so many ideas for games now Múnchen Lions has given me another.

Nice stadium now, good luck with this.

Haha.

Oops.

I hadn't noticed that.

[dllu]

Great intro to the club.

And at this level, I would sign that ass man anytime!

[Jimbokav1971]

Let's look at the squad now.

Surprisingly, I'm in no real rush to start hammering away at this save and I'm actually enjoying just having a little look about FM16 and seeing what's what. It's likely that this thread, (assuming I don't get sacked of course), will continue for 2 whole years in real life, as it's my intention to skip FM17 completely just as long as I can get "into" this save.

We don't have a Natural DL, and the best option there is actually a winger, (but he's decent).

Starting XI.

Bench.

Not in 1st match-squad.

Preußer HoYD.

Discussing current vision with board. Frustratingly, the one single thing that I want to propose, is the one single thing that the board are against. Oh what the hell. I'm hust going to kee asking until he either agrees or he gets sick of me and sacks me.

Agreement. Bloody hell! I saw all the red and as in FM red usually means bad and green means good I assumed that they had said no. In fact it's just in red because our team colours are red, (I'm guessing). Get in there.

Now remember that I am not signing staff. I am leaving it up to The Pres, (and he seems to be doing rather well).

Lobinger Fitness coach.

Dusek Chief Scout.

Sauter U19's coach.

Sartori coach.

Fuchs U19's coach.

Bushuev coach.

Zeiss coach.

[endtime]

For some reason it really bugs me that you keep misspelling "-burg" as "-berg"

[Jimbokav1971]

For some reason it really bugs me that you keep misspelling "-burg" as "-berg"

It's bugging me that I keep doing it!

[kris0710]

Keen interest in this one Jimbokav. Tempted to have your GK on penalty duty?

[Jimbokav1971]

So.....

I mentioned earlier in the thread that it would be really cool if I could drink some beer that was brewed at the Bischofshof brewery, (the brewery next to the old ground), and.... well.... here we go.

And go down quite nicely they did too. (Very nicely indeed actually).



But that just left me wanting more, and I didn't have any more Bischofshof beer.



But unfortunately Becks was the best I could do.

The Becks all went the same way as the Bischofshof but fortunately/unfortunately I drank considerably more Becks than is on view. Considerably more.

[Jimbokav1971]

Keen interest in this one Jimbokav. Tempted to have your GK on penalty duty?

Although I didn't play FM15 properly, I did play a few games, and in that I found that the penalty taking issues have been resolved and that now penalty taking is influenced by the penalty taking attribute, (or at least was in 2015).

Because the start of this save is going to be so hard, (the first 5 years are going to be mental), I'm worried that doing something so..... unusual, might cost us and that the little bit it costs us might see us bot succeed and ultimately see me sacked. I guess, (and this is strange for me to say), but I'm just not prepared to take the risk.

Having said that..... after 12 games my centre-back has taken 2 pens and scored 1 and had the other saved. The problem is that he has a penalty attribute of 16 and my GK has a penalty attribute of 2.

I'm sure I will give it a go and test it at some point in the save, (someone has got to and it might as well be me), but now when it might cost me my job is not the right time.

[Jimbokav1971]

I'm at the half-way in the season, (not going to tell how I am getting on), but thought I would share this little tit-bit.

I'm having a few injury problems at the moment and also have a couple of players suspended, so out of my squad of 24 players, (one of whom is under-age so unavailable), 4 are injured, 2 suspended, leaving me a total of 17 to pick from, (remembering of course that 4 of each match squad ust be U23).

It's ok though because the game has generated 2 new "grey" players for me to use.

A carp GK and..... another carp GK.

[Edit]

In our 22nd league game of the season, we have a right back playing at centre-half and can only field 6 players on the bench. (That's not as bad as I feared actually).

[Edit2]

How is this not a free-kick on the edge of the box and a card?

[Jimbokav1971]

Youth Day 2017.

Lots of Turks, (and Germans obviously), but that's a huge number of 2nd Nationalities. 6 from 15. I'm guessing that is something that is realistic and will continue. I always found it strange that there were not more English newgens that were created with Irish, Scottish or Welsh as a 2nd Nationality.

Some decent personalities, (especially pleasing that the player with the best PA has a decent personality).

The thing that strikes me most is that they are al so young. 5 of them are 14 and probably won't be available to the senior team until Season 20/21.

(17a) Seb (Resolute).

(17b) Leon (F.Amb).

(17c) Moghrabi (GER/LIB) (Bal).

[noikeee]

Tbh the 17 year old limit is a massive handicap, sounds like playing a challenge of this kind in Germany is a recipe for huge frustration.

But that's a pretty good intake for that level!

[Jimbokav1971]

There look to be problems with the game in Germany.

Regensburg didn't get to play in the German Cup when they were a non-league team the year I was on holiday, and this season now that they are in the league, they still didn't get to play in the Cup.

There is only 1 Cup it seems, (strange), and we don't get to play in it.

[Jolanthustrel]

I found the 17yo thing very odd to work with in FM14. At some points I had players under the age restriction playing and others couldn't.

[Jolanthustrel]

Only Bundesliga 1&2 teams plus the winners of the regional leagues qualify for the German Cup.

[Jimbokav1971]

Only Bundesliga 1&2 teams plus the winners of the regional leagues qualify for the German Cup.

Well that's not what I am seeing.

I count 4 League 3 teams and 24 non-league sides in the 1st Round.

[Jimbokav1971]

Only Bundesliga 1&2 teams plus the winners of the regional leagues qualify for the German Cup.

You were of course correct. Thanks.

The Regional Cups aren't played it seems, but the game simulates them and "creates" a winner, and these teams qualify.

I won't pretend that I completely understand it, but it seems we shouldn't be in the Cup. Looks like I will just have to get promoted then!

[Moonshine]

From wiki:

The DFB-Pokal begins with a round of 64 teams. The 36 teams of the Bundesliga and 2. Bundesliga, along with the top four finishers of the 3. Liga are automatically qualified for the tournament. Of the remaining slots 21 are given to the cup winners of the regional football associations, the Verbandspokale. The three remaining slots are given to the three regional associations with the most men's teams. They may assign the slot as they see fit but usually give it to the runner up in the association cup. As every team is entitled to participate in local tournaments which qualify for the association cups every team can in principle compete in the DFB-Pokal. Reserve teams like Borussia Dortmund II are not permitted to enter.[1]

[Deisler26]

This seems like an utter ball ache tbh.

[Jimbokav1971]

This seems like an utter ball ache tbh.

The thread?

Or playing in this way in Germany?

[Deisler26]

The thread?

Or playing in this way in Germany?

The restrictions regarding youth player ages

[oneronaldo]

Imagine if you had a 17 year old with massive potential, who is already decent enough to play for you but your hands are tied by the regulations. Uugggghhh that frustration, I'm not sure I could manage in Germany.